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    It’s impossible to reason with a jaded conspiracy theorist who wouldn’t consider facts which support otherwise. You hate cops so much you would try to disprove the facts to fit your narrative. Once again your opinion doesn’t matter so it’s pointless to have a discussion with you because at the end of the day it’s meaningless. You’re either James or one of his criminal supporters and he doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning the election. So go away. No one should even entertain anymore of your BS on here.
    And just like the actual "investigators" working the case, fact, conflicting evidence and science will be ignored. After all, the real goal of the investigation is to cover for Curry and not damage Bob's career. LOL

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    And just like the actual "investigators" working the case, fact, conflicting evidence and science will be ignored. After all, the real goal of the investigation is to cover for Curry and not damage Bob's career. LOL

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    Thanks James
        

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    It’s impossible to reason with a jaded conspiracy theorist who wouldn’t consider facts which support otherwise. You hate cops so much you would try to disprove the facts to fit your narrative. Once again your opinion doesn’t matter so it’s pointless to have a discussion with you because at the end of the day it’s meaningless. You’re either James or one of his criminal supporters and he doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning the election. So go away. No one should even entertain anymore of your BS on here.
    Let's try working with one simple fact. Timeline.

    Golden posted on Facebook at 9:20 that he was looking for a ride. This was at the time that Gualtieri accused him of being in a car chase up in Clearwater. A few minutes later, someone else summoned an Uber to the house because Golden did not have a credit card and could not use the Uber App himself. Inside the house, they followed the Uber App and saw that the Uber driver was one block over and looked like he was coming down the alley. Golden and Ford exited the house to flag down the Uber driver right at the same time Curry got out of his car and opened fire. The Uber driver's dash cam captured Curry firing into the backyard and not trying to take cover. (not being fired at) So, if the Witness says he summoned Uber for Golden, the Uber app shows this to be correct and the time coincides with the story from inside the house, them checking the app and exiting to meet the Uber driver, is it more likely that Curry just panicked and shot two guys leaving the house to meet up with their Uber driver? And if so, who takes Uber carrying an AR-15? Nobody.

    Now, dispute this factual timeline and explain why Bob made up that crap about the Lexus chase.
        

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    Let's try working with one simple fact. Timeline.

    Golden posted on Facebook at 9:20 that he was looking for a ride. This was at the time that Gualtieri accused him of being in a car chase up in Clearwater. A few minutes later, someone else summoned an Uber to the house because Golden did not have a credit card and could not use the Uber App himself. Inside the house, they followed the Uber App and saw that the Uber driver was one block over and looked like he was coming down the alley. Golden and Ford exited the house to flag down the Uber driver right at the same time Curry got out of his car and opened fire. The Uber driver's dash cam captured Curry firing into the backyard and not trying to take cover. (not being fired at) So, if the Witness says he summoned Uber for Golden, the Uber app shows this to be correct and the time coincides with the story from inside the house, them checking the app and exiting to meet the Uber driver, is it more likely that Curry just panicked and shot two guys leaving the house to meet up with their Uber driver? And if so, who takes Uber carrying an AR-15? Nobody.

    Now, dispute this factual timeline and explain why Bob made up that crap about the Lexus chase.
    Cool story but your second sentence is incorrect so I didn’t bother reading the rest of your BS. Go away.
        

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    Let's try working with one simple fact. Timeline.

    Golden posted on Facebook at 9:20 that he was looking for a ride. This was at the time that Gualtieri accused him of being in a car chase up in Clearwater. A few minutes later, someone else summoned an Uber to the house because Golden did not have a credit card and could not use the Uber App himself. Inside the house, they followed the Uber App and saw that the Uber driver was one block over and looked like he was coming down the alley. Golden and Ford exited the house to flag down the Uber driver right at the same time Curry got out of his car and opened fire. The Uber driver's dash cam captured Curry firing into the backyard and not trying to take cover. (not being fired at) So, if the Witness says he summoned Uber for Golden, the Uber app shows this to be correct and the time coincides with the story from inside the house, them checking the app and exiting to meet the Uber driver, is it more likely that Curry just panicked and shot two guys leaving the house to meet up with their Uber driver? And if so, who takes Uber carrying an AR-15? Nobody.

    Now, dispute this factual timeline and explain why Bob made up that crap about the Lexus chase.
    James you’re either a compulsive liar or incredibly stupid.
        

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    James you’re either a compulsive liar or incredibly stupid.
    Actually he’s both
        

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Let's try working with one simple fact. Timeline.

    Golden posted on Facebook at 9:20 that he was looking for a ride. This was at the time that Gualtieri accused him of being in a car chase up in Clearwater. A few minutes later, someone else summoned an Uber to the house because Golden did not have a credit card and could not use the Uber App himself. Inside the house, they followed the Uber App and saw that the Uber driver was one block over and looked like he was coming down the alley. Golden and Ford exited the house to flag down the Uber driver right at the same time Curry got out of his car and opened fire. The Uber driver's dash cam captured Curry firing into the backyard and not trying to take cover. (not being fired at) So, if the Witness says he summoned Uber for Golden, the Uber app shows this to be correct and the time coincides with the story from inside the house, them checking the app and exiting to meet the Uber driver, is it more likely that Curry just panicked and shot two guys leaving the house to meet up with their Uber driver? And if so, who takes Uber carrying an AR-15? Nobody.

    Now, dispute this factual timeline and explain why Bob made up that crap about the Lexus chase.
    I suppose you can post proof of your allegations? If so, please post your proof. If not, your post could get deleted and your IP banned.

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    I suppose you can post proof of your allegations? If so, please post your proof. If not, your post could get deleted and your IP banned.

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    This person is intentionally spreading misinformation in an attempt to discredit the sheriff for their own political gain or the gain of someone else.
        

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    The weapons were being displayed in a threatening manner there it doesn't matter who fired first. It's amazing to me how often people openly and often support criminals and try to villanize police.
    Were they being displayed in a threatening manner? There exactly two living witnesses to this incident, Curry and Ford. And, we have not heard from Ford, publicly.

    This is the publicly released series of events. Curry, in plain clothes wearing only aa tactical vest with the word "SHERIFF" printed on it is sitting in an unmarked car in an alley behind residences. He is approached by Golden. During this encounter, Curry does not identify himself as a deputy sheriff. Golden leaves and enters the building behind which Curry is parked. A few minutes later, Golden and Ford exit the building [which is later determined to be the current residence of one or both] and walk toward the alley where Curry is sitting. Both are armed, with Golden carrying a AR-15 variant, exposed in his hand. We do not know if Ford was carrying his pistol concealed or not. Curry, fearing for his life [this from the Sheriff's initial explanation for why Curry opened], jumps out of his vehicle and immediately begins firing at one or both men. He makes no attempt to leave in his vehicle. He, continues firing a total of 18 shots as he seeks cover behind a nearby dumpster. Golden is hit, drops his rifle, after firing only 3 shots, and a pistol and runs away. Ford, runs away, firing six shots to cover his retreat. He is later arrested while in possession of a pistol. That is it.

    Now, here is why who opened fire first matters, in this case. If Golden and Ford were making obvious threats towards Curry, then Curry was justified in opening fire without identifying himself or ordering the men to disarm. But, we have no indication that such was the case. No verbal threats have been reported. If the range was short, as it probably was in this case, then the question arises as to why Golden only fired 3 shots and failed to hit Curry with the rifle. He can fire as fast as Curry and his rifle is more accurate at the range in question than Curry's pistol. And, Ford made no attempt to shoot Curry, until he was fleeing the scene, under fire from Curry. See the problems here? In this case, it sounds much more likely that Ford and Golden were walking through the yard next to their apartment with Ford's pistol in his waistband or pocket, not in his hand. Otherwise, he would have engaged Curry, as Curry exited his vehicle and we have no report of that being the case. If Golden was pointing his rifle at Curry, in a threatening manner, before Curry exited his vehicle, then we would expect Curry to have been hit by rifle fire, before or as he exited his vehicle, if Golden were intent upon harming him. None of this happened, though. So, what it sounds like, at this point, is that Curry saw Golden carrying a rifle and walking in his general direction, assumed Golden was going to use the weapon against him, Panicked. Jumped out of his vehicle and opened fire on Golden, without giving any verbal order to Golden to drop the weapon, who then returned fire. The criminal history of the Golden and Ford is irrelevant, as there is no evidence that Curry was aware of that, at the time of the shooting.

    So, was the shooting legally justified? Maybe, maybe not. This not a classic police defensive shooting. Curry was not in any recognizable uniform [anyone can buy a tactical vest with the words police or sheriff printed on it]. He was not in a marked unit. He had failed to identify himself as a deputy sheriff, to any meaningful degree. It appears that he shot first and without any verbal commands to disarm directed toward Golden. And, that Golden and Ford very likely fired on Curry as he was firing at them. A lot of uncertainty exists as to the legality of Curry's actions. This what gets LEOs in trouble, in use of force situations. Curry made an assumption. Whether that assumption was accurate or not iis the whole crux of the case. So, we wil have to wait for more information to be released before we can come to an accurate conclusion as to the legality of Curry's actions. That is just the way it is.
        

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    Listen, Curry was justified and will be accommodated for his actions in dealing with two armed subjects. Ford is going to say he was in his way to church or to volunteer at an animal shelter or some bull sh!t.
        

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