Interesting recording incident

[doc justice]

Not sure if everyone saw this.

http://www.local10.com/news/police-p...d-man/34710040

Video is coming everyone, whether you like it or not. Every time you put on the badge and you are performing your duties, you are likely being recorded. Best suggestion act appropriately.

[Unregistered]

Hey loser, how do you know the officer wasn't defending against a spit or a bite? If that's the case, the strike depicted in the video may not be so inappropriate after all.

Move along and go shave or wash your clot he's and iron your shirt. Do you still look like you belong at Camillus House?

Loser...

[Unregistered]

Hey loser, how do you know the officer wasn't defending against a spit or a bite? If that's the case, the strike depicted in the video may not be so inappropriate after all.

Move along and go shave or wash your clot he's and iron your shirt. Do you still look like you belong at Camillus House?

Loser...

The officer never claimed such. Even if your allegation was true the response is still not justified. The cop wpuld not have been suspended if his acts were kosher. Also it is illegal for a cop to try to get a citizen to delete video. Try again loser.

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It looked like the officer's head snapped back before he entered the car, I wonder what caused that. Doc, the NFL has all kinds of HD cameras, slow motion replays and the like and still has trouble making a determination as to what happened during a play. I agree that cameras are the future and will be helpful, but with a biased narrative accompanying them(media), there will be no officers left in any police department.

[Unregistered]

Hey doc.
The next time you go for your weekly colonoscopy have them see if you have any balls.
Apparently you enjoy your sessions with "The Stainless Stallion:

[doc justice]

Hey doc.
The next time you go for your weekly colonoscopy have them see if you have any balls.
Apparently you enjoy your sessions with "The Stainless Stallion:

So stainless stallion is what you are calling your vienna sausage these days?

[doc justice]

It looked like the officer's head snapped back before he entered the car, I wonder what caused that. Doc, the NFL has all kinds of HD cameras, slow motion replays and the like and still has trouble making a determination as to what happened during a play. I agree that cameras are the future and will be helpful, but with a biased narrative accompanying them(media), there will be no officers left in any police department.

You need to rewatch that part several more times. The officers head moves the exact same time as he is punching. He did not jerk back as you attempt to allege.

Even if he was spit on, his actions were unjustified. Throwing an uppercut, then jumping in and pounding the guy is not self-defense, nor will it be held to be a reasonable use of force in a court of law.

If he was spit on or attacked, why didn't Whortiz mention that in his BS statement. If Whortiz had anything other than facebook associations of the person simply doing the recording, to defend the actions of the cop with, he would have come out with it.

If the cop did nothing wrong why try to have the recording deleted, which is against federal by the way.

Why not just give the suspect an extra felony charge? If its true they only grabbed him for a little pot, the felony assault charge would have dealt with him well.

Sadly this likely criminal will now get out of trouble, and the idiot cop is already in trouble, and the suspect likely will sue the cop and the department, and win. This is stupid incompetent police work; the more you defend it the more unreasonable you look. This little tune up is going to cost him.

I'm actually more pissed that the likely criminal will get off because of a hot head cop, than the fact he got hit. LEOs need to learn they are being recorded every time they are in public and act accordingly.

[Unregistered]

The officer never claimed such. Even if your allegation was true the response is still not justified. The cop wpuld not have been suspended if his acts were kosher. Also it is illegal for a cop to try to get a citizen to delete video. Try again loser.

How do you know what the officer has claimed at this point? The Miami Police Deprtment, like most other modern agencies, has made it a practice to immediately ROD officers in most of these cases pendung their incestigation. Asking the person to delete the video is wrong but that may be a natural reaction to not being used to having you actions taped. Don't automatically judge the cop for his actions without knowing the full story. DOC Dumb Ass already found him guilty through his jailhouse interpretations of what is reasonable force. He wouldn't last a second as a street cop. What a loser.

[doc justice]

"How do you know what the officer has claimed at this point? The Miami Police Deprtment, like most other modern agencies, has made it a practice to immediately ROD officers in most of these cases pendung their incestigation."

I have no idea what the officer has claimed. I assume if there was anything to defend the officer with, Whortiz would not have had to resort to facestalking the person recording, to try to make his spin that the officer was in the right. You can't be that dumb you know how the police spin game is played in these incidents. Yeah that officer was serving and protecting the shit out of that guy. SMH

I'm not sure if you meant to use the word "incestigation" but that is a great way to describe any internal investigation. You know most times the outcome of these is dependent upon the political clout of the officer. If they hate you you will be crucified even if innocent, if your in the in crowd, you will be cleared in all but the most egregious and documented incidents.




"Asking the person to delete the video is wrong but that may be a natural reaction to not being used to having you actions taped."

It is not only wrong for a cop to demand someone delete video under threat of arrest, it is a felony, 18USC 242. Also the DOJ does not think such actions are cool either. http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/spl...tr_5-14-12.pdf You can text search this PDF for delete, to see what Uncle Sam thinks about deleting citizens recordings. Sadly many of your colleagues probably think the DOJ is wrong as well because they "agree" with me.

As to a natural reaction, such claim doesn't hold water. Deprivation of rights under color of law criminally (18USC242) and civilly (42USC1983) do NOT require any intent. The only elements are that they willfully violated a right, and that right was well established, period, no mens rea required. If an officer comes up behind someone and unannoucned grabs them, and the natural thing for them to do is turn and swing punching the cop in the face, would you say don't charge them with assault on LEO? Just trying to be intellectually honest here.

The first thing being worried about is deleting the recording will not help their case in the civil trial.




"Don't automatically judge the cop for his actions without knowing the full story. DOC Dumb Ass already found him guilty through his jailhouse interpretations of what is reasonable force."

Right, because Im sure you never automatically judged anyone on the street ever. Glad to know your such a higher being than the rest of us.

I didn't find anyone guilty, only a judge and/or jury can do such. I do know what I saw in that video though; and what I said is a suspect who is likely a criminal will now likely walk, he will then sue the officer and department and almost assuredly will win.

You like to refer to my interpretations as jailhouse, that's interesting. I may not be right on every thing, but I have been more correct in my interpretations of law recently here, than you or your colleagues have. Every attorney I know, thinks I am more well versed on First Amendment rights than they are, particularly with respect to recording police. I've been studying the topic since 2008. Want to see a recent Florida police recording case check out Bacon v McKeithen.

Since you are such an expert here, please explain how it is a reasonable use of force to beat the snot out of someone who is already handcuffed and sitting in the car? Watch the part of the video closely, the most plausible scenario is the entire act of the officer getting down, was to merely set himself up for the uppercut. This is unreasonable force even if he was spit on which the video clearly does not show happened. Even MPD officers are saying this is not reasonable, only you guys and Whortiz are challenging that.

Would you like me to provide the case law on this since simple concepts seem to elude your grasp?






"He wouldn't last a second as a street cop. What a loser."

More importantly your colleague who decided to exact summary judgement from a suspect, won't be lasting any longer as an MPD cop. Sorry, but I did not spend 24 of the first 28 years of my life in school to be a police officer. Nothing wrong with the profession, but I like being employed intellectually.

Sorry that your stuck in a job you hate because you are not qualified for any other line of work that will pay your bills, but you shouldn't take that aggression out on me..

[Unregistered]

"How do you know what the officer has claimed at this point? The Miami Police Deprtment, like most other modern agencies, has made it a practice to immediately ROD officers in most of these cases pendung their incestigation."

I have no idea what the officer has claimed. I assume if there was anything to defend the officer with, Whortiz would not have had to resort to facestalking the person recording, to try to make his spin that the officer was in the right. You can't be that dumb you know how the police spin game is played in these incidents. Yeah that officer was serving and protecting the shit out of that guy. SMH

I'm not sure if you meant to use the word "incestigation" but that is a great way to describe any internal investigation. You know most times the outcome of these is dependent upon the political clout of the officer. If they hate you you will be crucified even if innocent, if your in the in crowd, you will be cleared in all but the most egregious and documented incidents.




"Asking the person to delete the video is wrong but that may be a natural reaction to not being used to having you actions taped."

It is not only wrong for a cop to demand someone delete video under threat of arrest, it is a felony, 18USC 242. Also the DOJ does not think such actions are cool either. http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/spl...tr_5-14-12.pdf You can text search this PDF for delete, to see what Uncle Sam thinks about deleting citizens recordings. Sadly many of your colleagues probably think the DOJ is wrong as well because they "agree" with me.

As to a natural reaction, such claim doesn't hold water. Deprivation of rights under color of law criminally (18USC242) and civilly (42USC1983) do NOT require any intent. The only elements are that they willfully violated a right, and that right was well established, period, no mens rea required. If an officer comes up behind someone and unannoucned grabs them, and the natural thing for them to do is turn and swing punching the cop in the face, would you say don't charge them with assault on LEO? Just trying to be intellectually honest here.

The first thing being worried about is deleting the recording will not help their case in the civil trial.




"Don't automatically judge the cop for his actions without knowing the full story. DOC Dumb Ass already found him guilty through his jailhouse interpretations of what is reasonable force."

Right, because Im sure you never automatically judged anyone on the street ever. Glad to know your such a higher being than the rest of us.

I didn't find anyone guilty, only a judge and/or jury can do such. I do know what I saw in that video though; and what I said is a suspect who is likely a criminal will now likely walk, he will then sue the officer and department and almost assuredly will win.

You like to refer to my interpretations as jailhouse, that's interesting. I may not be right on every thing, but I have been more correct in my interpretations of law recently here, than you or your colleagues have. Every attorney I know, thinks I am more well versed on First Amendment rights than they are, particularly with respect to recording police. I've been studying the topic since 2008. Want to see a recent Florida police recording case check out Bacon v McKeithen.

Since you are such an expert here, please explain how it is a reasonable use of force to beat the snot out of someone who is already handcuffed and sitting in the car? Watch the part of the video closely, the most plausible scenario is the entire act of the officer getting down, was to merely set himself up for the uppercut. This is unreasonable force even if he was spit on which the video clearly does not show happened. Even MPD officers are saying this is not reasonable, only you guys and Whortiz are challenging that.

Would you like me to provide the case law on this since simple concepts seem to elude your grasp?






"He wouldn't last a second as a street cop. What a loser."

More importantly your colleague who decided to exact summary judgement from a suspect, won't be lasting any longer as an MPD cop. Sorry, but I did not spend 24 of the first 28 years of my life in school to be a police officer. Nothing wrong with the profession, but I like being employed intellectually.

Sorry that your stuck in a job you hate because you are not qualified for any other line of work that will pay your bills, but you shouldn't take that aggression out on me..

You don't have a real degree Jimmy and you do not know the elements for 242 or 1983. Intellectual yea in the mentality challenged group. LMAO at you.