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  1. #11
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    Thank You

    Under the new Florida open carry law, this Coral Gables officer would face prosecution for doing what he did here.

  2. #12
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    There is no open carry law in Florida. If you're gonna post at least have your facts straight. Dummy.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    There is no open carry law in Florida. If you're gonna post at least have your facts straight. Dummy.
    I believe that the poster was referring to all of the activity in Tallahassee to pass open carry.
    https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2016/0163
    The new law will eliminate sovereign immunity if a LEO harasses a law-abiding carrier.

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    Fear and abuse

    I am sure that this officer (probably a young and recently in law enforcement has no common sense to tell a law abiding citizen from a criminal, perhaps, he was afraid or maybe exercised his power on law abiding citizen rather than a real criminal, shame on him and on the chief of police for supporting this action.





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    exclusive: Concealed carrier disarmed, searched, has weapon disassembled by coral gables police

    by lee williams, herald tribune

    daniel oliva has never been in trouble.

    Far from it.

    The 34-year-old, married father of two works as a court bailiff for the miami-dade courts, the 11th judicial circuit.

    He’s assigned to the domestic violence section. It’s a uniformed but non-sworn and unarmed position. There are police liaison officers assigned to the courthouse in case an armed response becomes necessary.

    Oliva obtained his concealed-carry license three years ago, but he only carries his glock 19 when he’s off duty.

    “after working here in the courthouse and seeing so many people getting arrested for violent crimes, i felt the need to defend myself and my family,” oliva told me wednesday. “as a bailiff, i always get associated with the judges’ decisions. These people remember my face, but i can’t remember all of theirs.”

    tuesday afternoon around 3 p.m., oliva and his wife were driving in

    their 2008 toyota prius to pick up their seven-year-old son from school, when he was stopped by a coral gables police officer.

    The officer told oliva he had stopped him for driving 26 mph in a 15 mph zone, which oliva disputes.

    As he was getting his driver’s license out, the officer noticed oliva’s concealed-carry license in his wallet.

    “he asked me if i had a concealed weapon in the car — he stopped abruptly,” oliva said. “i got a really bad vibe about how he was handling this. Before i could get my concealed-carry license out, he ordered me to put my hands on the dash and lean forward.”

    the officer demanded to know where oliva was carrying the pistol. He told him it was in a belly band on his right side. The officer reached in, under his shirt and seized the weapon.

    He removed the magazine and ejected a round from the chamber, which oliva said is probably still laying in the street near the school.

    “he took my handgun back to his car and ran it,” oliva said. “when he came back i saw he had completely disassembled the weapon. He ordered me to pop my trunk.”

    the officer, oliva said, dumped the gun parts into his trunk, and then pushed the rounds out of his magazine, one-by-one, into the trunk.

    He then issued oliva a written warning for speeding, and for not warninghaving a current insurance card.

    Oliva and his wife were very scared throughout the encounter.

    “he had a very tense — very tense — attitude,” oliva said. “i don’t know what crime he suspected me of committing, but i didn’t want to confront him, especially in miami-dade. I probably didn’t say three words to him the whole time. We, my wife and i, were very sensitive not to disrespect him.

    “it’s horrible that a person who lawfully wants to protect their family is treated like a criminal,” oliva said. “especially that he did this in front of the school, in front of other parents in line to pick up their children. I don’t know if other parents may now associate my vehicle with that of a potential school shooter.”

    the officer, oliva said, aggravated what should have been a very routine traffic stop.

    “i feel my rights were violated,” he said.

    Marion hammer, executive director of the unified sportsmen of florida and past-president of the national rifle association, agrees.

    “i believe this incident involves an illegal search — without provocation — of a law abiding citizen duly licensed to carry a concealed weapon,” hammer said wednesday.

    Coral gables police chief edward j. Hudak, jr. Said his officer did nothing wrong.

    “he saw the concealed firearms license, which led him to a heightened sense to know the driver was armed,” hudak said. “could there have been a more polite way to handle it? I would be more than happy to refer this to ia, and they would do an investigation from top to bottom before it comes to my level.”

    the police chief said his officer was well within his rights and department policy.

    “the way you have described it to me is that the officer by seeing the card, he would have the right to ask if there’s a weapon in the car,” hudak said. “the other side of the coin is, if he leaves him in the car with a gun, is that ultimately optimum safety for the police officer? I believe the officer-survival skill is that he asks for the gun. The card is reasonable suspicion that a person inside the car may be armed, at which point the officer stays alive by the way he handled it. Based on the way you presented it to me, based on the officer seeing it in the wallet. It’s not a bad search.”

    eric friday, of fletcher & phillips, is the general counsel and lead attorney for florida carry, inc. He too has issues with the constitutionality of the search.

    Surprisingly, friday was not surprised by oliva’s allegations.

    “this is not the first time i’ve heard this story– right down to every round out of the mag, disassembling the gun, and throwing it into the trunk,” friday said. “given the significant history of concealed-carry licensees as law-abiding citizens, they should be considered just as trustworthy as any police officer during a traffic stop.”

    friday reiterated that no driver in florida has a duty to tell police when they are armed.

    “because of repeated instances such as you are describing to me, i no longer recommend that to people today,” friday said. “i changed my position because of misconduct such as this. There used to be a mutual trust between law enforcement and most concealed-carriers, but police actions in recent years have done a lot to harm that history of mutual trust.”

    friday said police need more training on how to conduct themselves when they encounter legally armed citizens.

    “we have a fundamental lack of trust now, and it cannot end well,” he said. “we have numerous examples of concealed-carriers who have stepped up and saved law enforcement when they’re in trouble. But i am not aware of any concealed-carrier who has had to rely on a police officer to save them from a suspect.”

    in my opinion, training is always an option, but i strongly believe it’s time for the legislature to create specific penalties that apply when the rights of concealed-carry licensees are abused, or this will continue unabated.

    Our preemption statute was continually abused by local governments until the legislature created specific penalties. The lawmakers added teeth to the law — fines that must be paid personally by any public official who decides to tinker and create their own gun laws.

    The same type of legal teeth need to be added to the statutes that protect the rights of concealed carriers.

  5. #15
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    another ignorant rookie

    The chief should be ashamed for agreeing with this type of behaviour. Send that officer to someone in your department who can teach him how to deal with law abiding citizens who are licensed to carry guns.

  6. #16
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    As a Florida CCF licensed carrier, I would have my attorney explore Federal civil action under 42 U.S. Code § 1983.
    Lest this 11th Judicial Circuit, Miami-Dade Court bailiff violated the provisions enumerated in
    FSS 790.06, (12)(a) and subsequent enumerated and pertinent paragraphs, Rookie, you and the CGPD may be liable.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1983

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/...37E18661#A1S02

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...s/0790.06.html

  7. #17
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    Coral Gables Police Chief Edward J. Hudak, Jr. said his officer did nothing wrong.

    “He saw the concealed firearms license, which led him to a heightened sense to know the driver was armed,” Hudak said. “Could there have been a more polite way to handle it? I would be more than happy to refer this to IA, and they would do an investigation from top to bottom before it comes to my level.”





    are you kidding me CCW holders are citizens with a spotless record , they have ZERO history and in many cases the citizens
    that have come to the aid of cops in bad trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    EXCLUSIVE: Concealed carrier disarmed, searched, has weapon disassembled by Coral Gables Police

    by Lee Williams, Herald Tribune

    Daniel Oliva has never been in trouble.

    Far from it.

    The 34-year-old, married father of two works as a court bailiff for the Miami-Dade Courts, the 11th Judicial Circuit.

    He’s assigned to the domestic violence section. It’s a uniformed but non-sworn and unarmed position. There are police liaison officers assigned to the courthouse in case an armed response becomes necessary.

    Oliva obtained his concealed-carry license three years ago, but he only carries his Glock 19 when he’s off duty.

    “After working here in the courthouse and seeing so many people getting arrested for violent crimes, I felt the need to defend myself and my family,” Oliva told me Wednesday. “As a bailiff, I always get associated with the judges’ decisions. These people remember my face, but I can’t remember all of theirs.”

    Tuesday afternoon around 3 p.m., Oliva and his wife were driving in

    their 2008 Toyota Prius to pick up their seven-year-old son from school, when he was stopped by a Coral Gables Police officer.

    The officer told Oliva he had stopped him for driving 26 mph in a 15 mph zone, which Oliva disputes.

    As he was getting his driver’s license out, the officer noticed Oliva’s concealed-carry license in his wallet.

    “He asked me if I had a concealed weapon in the car — he stopped abruptly,” Oliva said. “I got a really bad vibe about how he was handling this. Before I could get my concealed-carry license out, he ordered me to put my hands on the dash and lean forward.”

    The officer demanded to know where Oliva was carrying the pistol. He told him it was in a belly band on his right side. The officer reached in, under his shirt and seized the weapon.

    He removed the magazine and ejected a round from the chamber, which Oliva said is probably still laying in the street near the school.

    “He took my handgun back to his car and ran it,” Oliva said. “When he came back I saw he had completely disassembled the weapon. He ordered me to pop my trunk.”

    The officer, Oliva said, dumped the gun parts into his trunk, and then pushed the rounds out of his magazine, one-by-one, into the trunk.

    He then issued Oliva a written warning for speeding, and for not Warninghaving a current insurance card.

    Oliva and his wife were very scared throughout the encounter.

    “He had a very tense — very tense — attitude,” Oliva said. “I don’t know what crime he suspected me of committing, but I didn’t want to confront him, especially in Miami-Dade. I probably didn’t say three words to him the whole time. We, my wife and I, were very sensitive not to disrespect him.

    “It’s horrible that a person who lawfully wants to protect their family is treated like a criminal,” Oliva said. “Especially that he did this in front of the school, in front of other parents in line to pick up their children. I don’t know if other parents may now associate my vehicle with that of a potential school shooter.”

    The officer, Oliva said, aggravated what should have been a very routine traffic stop.

    “I feel my rights were violated,” he said.

    Marion Hammer, executive director of the Unified Sportsmen of Florida and past-president of the National Rifle Association, agrees.

    “I believe this incident involves an illegal search — without provocation — of a law abiding citizen duly licensed to carry a concealed weapon,” Hammer said Wednesday.

    Coral Gables Police Chief Edward J. Hudak, Jr. said his officer did nothing wrong.

    “He saw the concealed firearms license, which led him to a heightened sense to know the driver was armed,” Hudak said. “Could there have been a more polite way to handle it? I would be more than happy to refer this to IA, and they would do an investigation from top to bottom before it comes to my level.”

    The police chief said his officer was well within his rights and department policy.

    “The way you have described it to me is that the officer by seeing the card, he would have the right to ask if there’s a weapon in the car,” Hudak said. “The other side of the coin is, if he leaves him in the car with a gun, is that ultimately optimum safety for the police officer? I believe the officer-survival skill is that he asks for the gun. The card is reasonable suspicion that a person inside the car may be armed, at which point the officer stays alive by the way he handled it. Based on the way you presented it to me, based on the officer seeing it in the wallet. It’s not a bad search.”

    Eric Friday, of Fletcher & Phillips, is the general counsel and lead attorney for Florida Carry, Inc. He too has issues with the constitutionality of the search.

    Surprisingly, Friday was not surprised by Oliva’s allegations.

    “This is not the first time I’ve heard this story– right down to every round out of the mag, disassembling the gun, and throwing it into the trunk,” Friday said. “Given the significant history of concealed-carry licensees as law-abiding citizens, they should be considered just as trustworthy as any police officer during a traffic stop.”

    Friday reiterated that no driver in Florida has a duty to tell police when they are armed.

    “Because of repeated instances such as you are describing to me, I no longer recommend that to people today,” Friday said. “I changed my position because of misconduct such as this. There used to be a mutual trust between law enforcement and most concealed-carriers, but police actions in recent years have done a lot to harm that history of mutual trust.”

    Friday said police need more training on how to conduct themselves when they encounter legally armed citizens.

    “We have a fundamental lack of trust now, and it cannot end well,” he said. “We have numerous examples of concealed-carriers who have stepped up and saved law enforcement when they’re in trouble. But I am not aware of any concealed-carrier who has had to rely on a police officer to save them from a suspect.”

    In my opinion, training is always an option, but I strongly believe it’s time for the legislature to create specific penalties that apply when the rights of concealed-carry licensees are abused, or this will continue unabated.

    Our preemption statute was continually abused by local governments until the legislature created specific penalties. The lawmakers added teeth to the law — fines that must be paid personally by any public official who decides to tinker and create their own gun laws.

    The same type of legal teeth need to be added to the statutes that protect the rights of concealed carriers.
    when you take the course for concealed class. It state that if you get pulled over by law enforcement you have to let them know your carry a weapon concealed.

  9. #19
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    Traffic Stop

    Has anyone sought the officer's version of the incident. All that has been commented here is the allegations made by the man who was stopped.

    In a situation where there is one person's word against another person, I would not be too quick to pass judgement.

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