Promomtin now REQUIRES 2 years as a detective

The SOP came out the other day. Now, for road deputies, in order to be promoted to Corporal you are required to have 2 years as a detective.

Since being a detective for 2 years is a requirement now to be promoted to CPL., does that mean that everyone who has already been promoted to CPL. and above, who does not have at least two years experience, is going to be demoted back to "Deputy" position?

Or are they going to retain their supervisor status and continued to be promoted?

Just wondering if the HCSO supervisors are going to be hypocrites or not? And wont they run out of people who have at least 2 years as a detective, to be promoted to CPL.?

That is why some corporals were transferred to detective corporal positions this last go around. Some of those corporals were never detectives before they made rank.

While you can see the desire to have those added skills as a detective in the toolbag, I think you are going to have a logjam. Not all deputies who become detectives want to be a supervisor and strive for promotion. They like being a career detective as it is a great gig. What are going to do, force them out? You cannot do that now that it is an officially promoted rank in itself unlike the old days when you were a "plain clothes deputy." Fact is, there are only so many detective slots available. It becomes a numbers game.

Right now there are approximately 20 detective slots open in SID they won't fill because it will short the street. See what I mean? Two recommendations for detective were sent in from DII and downtown told the major to pack sand and try again so those slots are still open. I think downtown is in love with an ideal image they have in their head of what they think every deputy should be. Problem is that is not reality or the real world. In a people business you cannot produce cookie cutter employees. There is too much diversity in society.

Besides being a supervisor requires more than just having been a detective. Supervision is a completely separate animal from the nuts and bolts of police work. You have to know police work but then it verges into different territory. As long as you are a well-rounded cop you have something to draw from when it comes to supervision.

Our agency is in trouble already and the DROP monster of 450 plus is looming over the next three years. Standby as it will get worse and not better. No one will challenge the imperial regime due to fear of reprisal and their vengeful ways, even if an idea like this one is shortsighted and unsustainable, not to mention a morale buster.

It sucks for patrol deputies who have been an FTO for 5+ years, now must try to get a property detective spot (which many don't want), just to try and become a Corporal. But don't forget you probably can't get a detective spot in a district without doing street crimes for two years. This means you may be looking at upwards of ten years in patrol before you can promote to Corporal. It seems they are looking to promote older people, and this is exactly what will happen. That is unless you get on the golden boy track.

The worst part about the policy is that it forces people to do a job they don't want to do so they can ultimately get promoted and try to be where they want to be. This will result in miserable detectives just counting the days til their Corporal application can go in.

The agency would benefit more by allowing and encouraging deputies to seek the positions they WANT to work, rather than encouraging deputies to stick it out in a position they hate.

[Average Joe]

The SOP came out the other day. Now, for road deputies, in order to be promoted to Corporal you are required to have 2 years as a detective.

Since being a detective for 2 years is a requirement now to be promoted to CPL., does that mean that everyone who has already been promoted to CPL. and above, who does not have at least two years experience, is going to be demoted back to "Deputy" position?

Or are they going to retain their supervisor status and continued to be promoted?

Just wondering if the HCSO supervisors are going to be hypocrites or not? And wont they run out of people who have at least 2 years as a detective, to be promoted to CPL.?

Use the brain God gave you. The answer to your question is "of course not". Those already promoted will be grandfathered.

Many years ago detectives were moved at will. Then the labor boards stepped in during the mid-80’s and said not so fast. From that point on detectives were not allowed to test for sergeant. They also left detectives in their position as the only why they could be sent back to the street was discipline, a layoff, or at the employee’s request. We then saw detectives stay in their positions for 20+ years, if not more. Then came the idea of the “Plain clothes detective” rank. With this classification you could be moved at will.

Sorry, but until Sheriff Gee can explain how this move will make a better supervisor is beyond me. I would love to see what data he has or the mistakes that his supervisors have made due to not being a detective.

It sucks for patrol deputies who have been an FTO for 5+ years, now must try to get a property detective spot (which many don't want), just to try and become a Corporal. But don't forget you probably can't get a detective spot in a district without doing street crimes for two years........

In my district you have to be in street crimes for 2 years before you can be a detective for the required 2 years. But when you apply for street crimes, the major says you have to be a "plain clothes" deputy first. But before you can be a "plain clothes" deputy, you have to have so many years seniority before you can be a "plain clothes" deputy.


So you have to wait 4-5 years to be eligible for a plain clothes deputy spot. Then you have to wait for a plain clothes deputy spot to open, then get that position and stay with it for a while before you can put in for street crimes. Then you have to do street crimes for 2 years before you can be a detective. Then you have to be a detective for 2 years before you can apply to be a corporal.

Oh yeah and somewhere in there you have to be a FTO for at least two years......but, you guessed it...... you have to have seniority before you can be considered to be a FTO.....and the insane "reasoning/excuses" go on and on and on.......

Amazing how many folks are complaining because they might have to work the street for more then 2-3 years without being considered for a specialty spot. So many Deps think that they know everything after spending only a couple of years on the street. Fact is, the longer a Deputy stays on the street and learns how to deal with and handle the vast variety of calls for service, the better that Deputy will be when it comes time to advance. The current reason that many of the folks who have advanced at HCSO seem to lack common sense and good people skills, is because they did not work the street long enough before being transferred or promoted. The street is the best teacher in the world and I feel that anyone that gets into this profession should be eager to stay and work the street for awhile before wanting some desk job.

Stop your complaining because the ones who voted the union out have gotten exactly what they deserved and that is absolutely no say in the process of discipline (gps suspensions) and the promotion process. Not to include many more issues that I will not get into. This is the new way folks get use to it the chief is king and is making up things as he goes and you have no voice to stop it like it or not.

Stop your complaining because the ones who voted the union out have gotten exactly what they deserved and that is absolutely no say in the process of discipline (gps suspensions) and the promotion process. Not to include many more issues that I will not get into. This is the new way folks get use to it the chief is king and is making up things as he goes and you have no voice to stop it like it or not.

It's true. Almost all final decisions at the office are approved and signed off on by the Chief, without the Sheriff having any input or desire to have input. Take a look at most of the Chain of Command memo's, suspensions, or even terminations and they end with only the Chiefs signature. The Sheriff truly has no clue about how many things are and have been handled at the office over the past few years. What stands out the most in the eyes of HCSO employees, is the fact that the Sheriff is absolutely okay with this delegation process and has hurt many people without having any knowledge or the desire to have knowledge. He has basically created a monster and seems to care less about the damage it has been causing.

Stop your complaining because the ones who voted the union out have gotten exactly what they deserved and that is absolutely no say in the process of discipline (gps suspensions) and the promotion process. Not to include many more issues that I will not get into. This is the new way folks get use to it the chief is king and is making up things as he goes and you have no voice to stop it like it or not.

It's true. Almost all final decisions at the office are approved and signed off on by the Chief, without the Sheriff having any input or desire to have input. Take a look at most of the Chain of Command memo's, suspensions, or even terminations and they end with only the Chiefs signature. The Sheriff truly has no clue about how many things are and have been handled at the office over the past few years. What stands out the most in the eyes of HCSO employees, is the fact that the Sheriff is absolutely okay with this delegation process and has hurt many people without having any knowledge or the desire to have knowledge. He has basically created a monster and seems to care less about the damage it has been causing.

Yep. I sat in on an executive meeting in which the Sheriff ordered a particular action. When a Colonel moved to implement the order it was countermanded by the Chief and the Colonel did not dare go back to the Sheriff to tell him.

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[Average Joe]

Stop your complaining because the ones who voted the union out have gotten exactly what they deserved and that is absolutely no say in the process of discipline (gps suspensions) and the promotion process. Not to include many more issues that I will not get into. This is the new way folks get use to it the chief is king and is making up things as he goes and you have no voice to stop it like it or not.

It's true. Almost all final decisions at the office are approved and signed off on by the Chief, without the Sheriff having any input or desire to have input. Take a look at most of the Chain of Command memo's, suspensions, or even terminations and they end with only the Chiefs signature. The Sheriff truly has no clue about how many things are and have been handled at the office over the past few years. What stands out the most in the eyes of HCSO employees, is the fact that the Sheriff is absolutely okay with this delegation process and has hurt many people without having any knowledge or the desire to have knowledge. He has basically created a monster and seems to care less about the damage it has been causing.

There is a reason for this. When Sheriff Henderson stepped aside for Gee to run he and Docobo had to come to an agreement. Due to Jose having some heavy hitters in his corner David and Jose reached a deal that would allow Jose to have the day to day operations and David would run the Office "long term".

I know of only one time when David told Jose to back off. David asked a colonel to go to the warehouse to get the brass for a promotion David was going to make. The colonel returned with the hardware and gave it to David in front of Jose. Jose wanted to know what David was doing and David told him he was promoting so and so to major. Jose came unglued and told David that he has the one in charge of the day to day operations and this person was ot his choice....ever. David won, and he could win more, but he does not want to.