I use to ride quite often with these guys but never decided to join thank god. Most of them are nice guys but you talk about a bunch of grown men acting like kids with something to prove, not something that I wanted to be part of, law enforcement is tough enough and this did not look like fun to me. Bunch of old men with issues acting more like ole' ladies. I just decided to ride and have fun. Best move I ever made from the way it sounds on here.