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    FLPD Message Board Here To Stay!

    Greetings,

    First, I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to post and send emails to me about whether or not to keep this Message Board online. It was obvious that there is a real need for this site at FLPD and I intend to meet the need by keeping it online for the troops. I'm not sure how many of you know this, but LEOAFFAIRS.COM will not even put a Message Board online for an agency unless someone from that agency asks and then provides a moderator for it. As you guessed, someone from FLPD approached us a long time ago about putting your Message Board online.

    As most of you know, this Message Board was down for about 12 days. Your FOP president, Jack Lokeinsky, has made his opposition to this website no secret. During the downtime I solicited input from you, the FLPD troops, to see if there was still a viable need for this site despite the claims to the contrary by Jack Lokeinsky. In short, there overwhelmingly was. I received private emails from you and online postings asking for the site to be put back online. In case some of you are confused because the Poll I had setup appeared heavily weighted towards keeping the Message Board down, please allow me to explain. What most of you do not know is that a large portion of the votes came from proxy servers in order to get around built in security measures to restrict IP addresses from voting more than once. I decided to keep the Poll online anyway because I don't have anything to hide and deleting it certainly would have given that appearance. Personally, I only need one person in need of this site to justify keeping it online. Thankfully there were many more.

    During the downtime I approached your agency and the local FOP lodge about a new Monitor System of moderation. Basically your agency and the FOP would have had the ability to appoint Monitors to help with moderating the Message Board. Before you get excited, Monitor identities and contact numbers are known to everyone and anything they delete is only temporary. A Moderator goes behind them and makes sure anything they delete actually violated our Terms of Use. If it did not, the Moderator would put it back online and the Monitor could be replaced. So, LEOAFFAIRS.COM would ultimately maintain control over whether or not a message stayed online. The main advantage to this is the more timely deletion of violations. In any case, both your agency (FLPD) and the FOP (via Jack Lokeinsky) turned me down. So, the site is back online with our regular system of moderation which has been recognized as one of the best in the business.

    What I'd like to leave you with is this: LEOAFFAIRS.COM isn't just online because you have a First Amendment right to free speech, but because we want to help you effect change. I can tell you countless stories of the good LEOAFFAIRS.COM has been able to do all over the country through this website. We even helped guarantee your right to free speech in 2006 when we went to court against a sheriff on behalf of his deputies and won in the 2nd District Court of Appeal...now there is case law. Unfortunately some departments and local unions prefer to put their heads in the sand and pretend LEOAFFAIRS.COM does not exist. Instead of using it as a tool like so many progressive agencies and unions out there do, they choose to try to ignore it and hope it just goes away. I'm sorry, but that's part of the problem and a reason why there can be so much turmoil within an agency or on a Message Board. Remember, LEOAFFAIRS.COM does not create the content on the site, the troops do. The agencies and unions who use this site to their advantage constantly research it to find out what the pulse and morale of the troops is. They even assign employees underneath them to monitor the site. That's smart! They can head off problems before they start and end rumors before they get any traction. Some even have department command staff or union executive staff that communicate to the troops by posting on the site...now imagine that! If there is something positive about your agency or union, then I encourage you to post it. If all the comments are negative, I assure you there is a reason.

    I've had a couple of conversations with Jack Lokeinsky and have given him every courtesy while making my decision on whether or not to put the Message Board back online. I even held off on putting the site back online after I made my decision until we had the opportunity to talk one more time. His outspoken concern about the Message Board centered around timely moderation of the content. This was easily answered with my offer of a new Monitor system of moderation which was rejected. In addition, Jack Lokeinsky told me that any of his FOP members who became a Monitor (for deleting content) would be kicked out of the lodge, my membership with the FOP as a member in good standing was threatened, this website was characterized as a "garbage filled site" and I was called a "coward". It's obvious to me now that there was an agenda.

  2. #2
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    Re: FLPD Message Board Here To Stay!

    An agenda in our department and the FOP,,,,, Which one?????

    Quote Originally Posted by chipdeblock
    Greetings,

    First, I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to post and send emails to me about whether or not to keep this Message Board online. It was obvious that there is a real need for this site at FLPD and I intend to meet the need by keeping it online for the troops. I'm not sure how many of you know this, but LEOAFFAIRS.COM will not even put a Message Board online for an agency unless someone from that agency asks and then provides a moderator for it. As you guessed, someone from FLPD approached us a long time ago about putting your Message Board online.

    As most of you know, this Message Board was down for about 12 days. Your FOP president, Jack Lokeinsky, has made his opposition to this website no secret. During the downtime I solicited input from you, the FLPD troops, to see if there was still a viable need for this site despite the claims to the contrary by Jack Lokeinsky. In short, there overwhelmingly was. I received private emails from you and online postings asking for the site to be put back online. In case some of you are confused because the Poll I had setup appeared heavily weighted towards keeping the Message Board down, please allow me to explain. What most of you do not know is that a large portion of the votes came from proxy servers in order to get around built in security measures to restrict IP addresses from voting more than once. I decided to keep the Poll online anyway because I don't have anything to hide and deleting it certainly would have given that appearance. Personally, I only need one person in need of this site to justify keeping it online. Thankfully there were many more.

    During the downtime I approached your agency and the local FOP lodge about a new Monitor System of moderation. Basically your agency and the FOP would have had the ability to appoint Monitors to help with moderating the Message Board. Before you get excited, Monitor identities and contact numbers are known to everyone and anything they delete is only temporary. A Moderator goes behind them and makes sure anything they delete actually violated our Terms of Use. If it did not, the Moderator would put it back online and the Monitor could be replaced. So, LEOAFFAIRS.COM would ultimately maintain control over whether or not a message stayed online. The main advantage to this is the more timely deletion of violations. In any case, both your agency (FLPD) and the FOP (via Jack Lokeinsky) turned me down. So, the site is back online with our regular system of moderation which has been recognized as one of the best in the business.

    What I'd like to leave you with is this: LEOAFFAIRS.COM isn't just online because you have a First Amendment right to free speech, but because we want to help you effect change. I can tell you countless stories of the good LEOAFFAIRS.COM has been able to do all over the country through this website. We even helped guarantee your right to free speech in 2006 when we went to court against a sheriff on behalf of his deputies and won in the 2nd District Court of Appeal...now there is case law. Unfortunately some departments and local unions prefer to put their heads in the sand and pretend LEOAFFAIRS.COM does not exist. Instead of using it as a tool like so many progressive agencies and unions out there do, they choose to try to ignore it and hope it just goes away. I'm sorry, but that's part of the problem and a reason why there can be so much turmoil within an agency or on a Message Board. Remember, LEOAFFAIRS.COM does not create the content on the site, the troops do. The agencies and unions who use this site to their advantage constantly research it to find out what the pulse and morale of the troops is. They even assign employees underneath them to monitor the site. That's smart! They can head off problems before they start and end rumors before they get any traction. Some even have department command staff or union executive staff that communicate to the troops by posting on the site...now imagine that! If there is something positive about your agency or union, then I encourage you to post it. If all the comments are negative, I assure you there is a reason.

    I've had a couple of conversations with Jack Lokeinsky and have given him every courtesy while making my decision on whether or not to put the Message Board back online. I even held off on putting the site back online after I made my decision until we had the opportunity to talk one more time. His outspoken concern about the Message Board centered around timely moderation of the content. This was easily answered with my offer of a new Monitor system of moderation which was rejected. In addition, Jack Lokeinsky told me that any of his FOP members who became a Monitor (for deleting content) would be kicked out of the lodge, my membership with the FOP as a member in good standing was threatened, this website was characterized as a "garbage filled site" and I was called a "coward". It's obvious to me now that there was an agenda.

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    Re: FLPD Message Board Here To Stay!

    It doesn't surprise me that they tried to bully you.... if they only put half that energy into actually working for us, they might actually get something accomplished...especially M.T.

  4. #4
    Guest

    Re: FLPD Message Board Here To Stay!

    Jack don't want anyone talking, really?

  5. #5
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    Re: FLPD Message Board Here To Stay!

    Jack
    Went over to the dark side a while ago boys. Thats why he is now Sgt Jack.

    Quote Originally Posted by guest4now
    Jack don't want anyone talking, really?

  6. #6
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    Re: FLPD Message Board Here To Stay!

    While the message board may be here to stay-- but it is being inappropriately censored. Get off your high horse guys-- who are you to tell me what I can talk about and what is relevant and what is not. Just because it is not of interest to you-- does not make it not of interest to someone else. The solution is simple: If you don't like the entry-- behave in a manner so as not to create negative postings about you; draft a reasonable and responsible response or simply don't read the blog-- but censorship is never the answer.

    If you don't believe the blog is being censored look at the heading on censorship-- the Moderator locked it down. Proving my point.

  7. #7
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    Re: FLPD Message Board Here To Stay!

    Get over yourself,,,, no one cares

    Quote Originally Posted by Guess T
    While the message board may be here to stay-- but it is being inappropriately censored. Get off your high horse guys-- who are you to tell me what I can talk about and what is relevant and what is not. Just because it is not of interest to you-- does not make it not of interest to someone else. The solution is simple: If you don't like the entry-- behave in a manner so as not to create negative postings about you; draft a reasonable and responsible response or simply don't read the blog-- but censorship is never the answer.

    If you don't believe the blog is being censored look at the heading on censorship-- the Moderator locked it down. Proving my point.

  8. #8
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    Re: FLPD Message Board Here To Stay!

    Chip, why don't you tell people how weak you are, and how you filed several law suits for defamaiton, and then you created this website that endorses the same.

    Dale B. “Chip” DeBlock, a Tampa police detective, sued Ober last year for defamation after the state attorney publicly questioned the truthfulness of the former vice investigator. DeBlock had accused an assistant state attorney of tipping off lingerie shop owners he was investigating as fronts for prostitution.
    DeBlock sued the city in 2001 when he was reassigned to a less prestigious job. City lawyers sought to depose Fuson. On a Web site DeBlock maintains for law enforcement personnel, he invites visitors to sign a cyber-petition calling on the local police union to endorse Fuson for state attorney.

  9. #9
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    Re: FLPD Message Board Here To Stay!

    Hey mister censor-- what does this irrelevant jibberish have to do with FLPD?

    Quote Originally Posted by hypocrit
    Chip, why don't you tell people how weak you are, and how you filed several law suits for defamaiton, and then you created this website that endorses the same.

    Dale B. “Chip” DeBlock, a Tampa police detective, sued Ober last year for defamation after the state attorney publicly questioned the truthfulness of the former vice investigator. DeBlock had accused an assistant state attorney of tipping off lingerie shop owners he was investigating as fronts for prostitution.
    DeBlock sued the city in 2001 when he was reassigned to a less prestigious job. City lawyers sought to depose Fuson. On a Web site DeBlock maintains for law enforcement personnel, he invites visitors to sign a cyber-petition calling on the local police union to endorse Fuson for state attorney.

  10. #10
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    Re: FLPD Message Board Here To Stay!

    Well, I don't know if I'd go as far as calling the moderator a "Commie", but I do agree that the post has nothing to do with FLPD. But it's obvious, isn't it, that the poster (I suspect his first name is Jack) is attempting to impeach the credibility of the site's co-founder, Chip DeBlock. It would have helped if he at least knew how to spell the words "hypocrite" and "defamation" correctly, especially since there's a built in spell check...oh well.

    I did some checking online and the original poster should know all about defamation because he's committing the act of libel by not telling the truth. Chip DeBlock filed only one lawsuit (not several) for Defamation of Character and it was against the Hillsborough County State Attorney's Office and State Attorney Mark Ober on 05/08/03. Since he put leoaffairs online on 10/01/02 and not after the lawsuit, you screwed up again.

    If you're going to take potshots at someone anonymously, at least get your facts straight. Heck, I was already aware that most of what you wrote was wrong and it only took me about 5 minutes to verify it online. It makes you look like a liar and only adds credibility to the person you were seeking to damage. It wasn't too hard to see through this crap!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderator is a Commie
    Hey mister censor-- what does this irrelevant jibberish have to do with FLPD?

    Quote Originally Posted by hypocrit
    Chip, why don't you tell people how weak you are, and how you filed several law suits for defamaiton, and then you created this website that endorses the same.

    Dale B. “Chip” DeBlock, a Tampa police detective, sued Ober last year for defamation after the state attorney publicly questioned the truthfulness of the former vice investigator. DeBlock had accused an assistant state attorney of tipping off lingerie shop owners he was investigating as fronts for prostitution.
    DeBlock sued the city in 2001 when he was reassigned to a less prestigious job. City lawyers sought to depose Fuson. On a Web site DeBlock maintains for law enforcement personnel, he invites visitors to sign a cyber-petition calling on the local police union to endorse Fuson for state attorney.

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