Security Failure at White House

Likely Scenario - # 1.you are not the only one posting on here that worked at the White House. Many posters have, some far longer than two years. #2 Based on the information already made public, your scenario appears very unlikely. #3 For your scenario to be factual, the couple would have had to exit the White House and re-enter going through the various checkpoints as the known facts would indicate. Not a likely scenario.

Likely Scenario - # 1.you are not the only one posting on here that worked at the White House. Many posters have, some far longer than two years. #2 Based on the information already made public, your scenario appears very unlikely. #3 For your scenario to be factual, the couple would have had to exit the White House and re-enter going through the various checkpoints as the known facts would indicate. Not a likely scenario.

I said I worked there several years, not two years.

I don't think you got the drift of my post. I'll summarize.

A staffer violated the rules and got them in.

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Likely Scenario - # 1.you are not the only one posting on here that worked at the White House. Many posters have, some far longer than two years. #2 Based on the information already made public, your scenario appears very unlikely. #3 For your scenario to be factual, the couple would have had to exit the White House and re-enter going through the various checkpoints as the known facts would indicate. Not a likely scenario.

I said I worked there several years, not two years.

I don't think you got the drift of my post. I'll summarize.

A staffer violated the rules and got them in.[/quote:1q1i5yrn]

I got the "drift" of your post and I don't disagree that a white house staffer very well may have been involved in the caper knowingly or unknowly. I just disasgree with your scenario as to how the couple ultimately gained access. It makes no sense that if they were visiting a WH staffer (prior to the WH dinner); your scenario, that they would depart the WH and re-enter again for access to the dinner presumarily with the assisatnce (again) with a WH staffer. Why leave, if they were already inside? You are scorrect several is more than two (but few more) per Websters.

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There is a report circulating on the visual media that three "Guards" have been placed on administrative leave (with pay), pending completion of an investigation. I guess we'll see how that turns out. I hope there is not someone painting their names on the front bumper of a DC Metrobus somewhere. I remember seeing photos of Harry Truman having a sign on his desk that said, "The Buck Stops Here". It will be interesting to see if anyone in Management does the honorable thing and falls on his/her sword, at least AD-PO if not the Director.

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Likely Scenario - # 1.you are not the only one posting on here that worked at the White House. Many posters have, some far longer than two years. #2 Based on the information already made public, your scenario appears very unlikely. #3 For your scenario to be factual, the couple would have had to exit the White House and re-enter going through the various checkpoints as the known facts would indicate. Not a likely scenario.

I said I worked there several years, not two years.

I don't think you got the drift of my post. I'll summarize.

A staffer violated the rules and got them in.[/quote:1223zlvi]

I got the "drift" of your post and I don't disagree that a white house staffer very well may have been involved in the caper knowingly or unknowly. I just disasgree with your scenario as to how the couple ultimately gained access. It makes no sense that if they were visiting a WH staffer (prior to the WH dinner); your scenario, that they would depart the WH and re-enter again for access to the dinner presumarily with the assisatnce (again) with a WH staffer. Why leave, if they were already inside? You are scorrect several is more than two (but few more) per Websters.[/quote:1223zlvi]

Your inattention is showing:

1. You appropriated my screen name for your last post.

2. In my original post I did not indicate that the couple entered, left, and re-entered the White House.

I referred to the White House Complex as a single entity. The premise is that once they gained access to the White House Complex through the artifice of having an appointment with a staffer (one, incidentally, who was attending the State Dinner) it would be relatively easy to move from one area of the complex to another WITH THE STAFFER and go unchallenged since they were with the staffer and appropriately dressed for the State Dinner. There was no reference in the scenario to them leaving after the appointment.

3. I never said this was HOW it happened; it was merely a likely scenario. And since Desiree Rogers refuses to testify before the Congressional Homeland Security Committee about the incident it is a reasonable inference that she has some complicity in the security failure. I'm puzzled about your objection to this as a possible scenario. Perhaps you would propose one of your own.

Sorry, I misappropriated your name. I am aware that your scenario does not have the couple leaving the WH after visiting a WH staffer, but the facts reveal that they entered the WH for the state dinner through an outside entrance, thus they must have departed the WH after your alledged visit with the WH staffer prior to crashing the state dinner. That is the facts given to the public as we now know them to be. Now maybe you know something that no one else is privy to, if so, let us know. As I stated it would make no sense to depart the WH once inside to visit a WH staffer, to go outside and have to go thru various checkpoints to again gain entrance.

I don't know why you are so hung up on this issue. Everyone who visits the White House Complex enters through an outside gate.

Let's say that the State Dinner guests entered through the East Exec checkpoint, which is the main magnetometer site. when the couple was delayed there for not being on the list, suppose that a staffer who has an office in the East Wing comes out and tells the UD Officers that they are there to see her and she takes them on in, ostensibly to her office.

From there on it's easy sailing to meander on up to the reception area for the State Dinner --- in the company and under the escort of a staffer who is also dressed for the dinner because she is attending it.

The point of this scenario is that a staffer defeated the security measures. If the truth is ever told, it will be some variation of the above.

IF....................

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I don't know why you are so hung up on this issue. Everyone who visits the White House Complex enters through an outside gate.

Let's say that the State Dinner guests entered through the East Exec checkpoint, which is the main magnetometer site. when the couple was delayed there for not being on the list, suppose that a staffer who has an office in the East Wing comes out and tells the UD Officers that they are there to see her and she takes them on in, ostensibly to her office.

From there on it's easy sailing to meander on up to the reception area for the State Dinner --- in the company and under the escort of a staffer who is also dressed for the dinner because she is attending it.

The point of this scenario is that a staffer defeated the security measures. If the truth is ever told, it will be some variation of the above.

IF....................

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For the second time, I will state that I too beleive that some WH staffer was involved in assisting the two to gain access to the state dinner. But the facts just don't fit your scenario. #1 Visitors to a WH staffer's office would not be dressed to the nines like guests to a state dinner. #2 If your scenario is correct then the USSS director threw the three UD officers under the bus at the congressional hearing unless he is lying. Any former agents that have worked in the WH know that WH staffers are often involved in assisting univited persons into the WH. The part of your "likely scenario I don't agree with is that the two crashers entered the WH under the pretense of visiting a WH staffer and not to attend the WH state dinner.The known facts just don't support that theory. You have your scenario and others have theirs.

For the second time, I will state that I too beleive that some WH staffer was involved in assisting the two to gain access to the state dinner. But the facts just don't fit your scenario. #1 Visitors to a WH staffer's office would not be dressed to the nines like guests to a state dinner. #2 If your scenario is correct then the USSS director threw the three UD officers under the bus at the congressional hearing unless he is lying. Any former agents that have worked in the WH know that WH staffers are often involved in assisting univited persons into the WH. The part of your "likely scenario I don't agree with is that the two crashers entered the WH under the pretense of visiting a WH staffer and not to attend the WH state dinner.The known facts just don't support that that. You have your scenario and others have theirs.

" #2 If your scenario is correct then the USSS director threw the three UD officers under the bus at the congressional hearing unless he is lying."

OF COURSE!

My scenario was just for speculation. I still don't understand your intense objections. Am still waiting for your scenario.

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We are all spectulating. My objections are not intense. It is simply my belief that your "likely scenario" simply does not fit the facts as we know them to be. If the facts change, as we presently know them, perhaps your "likely scenario" will no longer be speculation. Don't for one minute think that the USSS Director is not capable of throwing the three UD officers under the bus to protect his position.