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  1. #11
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    I can see both sides but as a veteran officer, I would have walked away once it was determined this was the home owner. We all know not everyone likes us or thinks we are doing a great job. Gates is certainly setting a poor example for young people in particular. But unfortunately, since Obama took office I can't help but notice people of color sorta think they're in charge now. We only elected one Black man to run the country. For the rest of them, a little respect for our profession will do nicely.

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    Sgt. ******* is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude
    Speak for yourself, I have never given someone a ticket who did not do something wrong! This gates guy is a racist who goes thgru his entire life playing the race card. Quit acting like he some type of victim.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by hjack23
    It's no secret that Sgt. ******* Arrested Gates because Gates pissed him off. Once Sgt. ******* determined that Gates lived at the residence that should have been the end. Sgt. ******* is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude. Stop Praising him like he's a darn hero.
    I can see your point. However I can honestly say in my over 30 years on the job, I have never arrested or given a citation without having probably cause. It comes down to discretion, the greatest tool an officer can have. Cops write other cops tickets, others don't. I think you chose the wrong words, If you have arrested persons that did nothing wrong, then you have perjured yourself in the official police report, I hope you just used the wrong words and that you are not admitting to committing a crime? The reason why most are praising ******* isn't because he is a hero, it is because we see an injustice and we are rallying our support. Think about it, on national television, check that , international television, the liberal media is lining up against the officer, not him but all of us. Next you have the President of the United States of America, say that aloud, stating that YOU and YOUR police department acted STUPIDLY. He also stated he was bias because he is friends with " Skip", ( a media ploy to make this arrogant sob more human and more working class). Look I wasn't there and yes, I can honestly say I would more then likely handled it DIFFERENTLY, that means my way would be correct, for me, Sgt. ******* handled it as he saw fit. The one thing that saddens me is the fact that some of our own brothers and sisters will publicly air there personal feelings when they have only the information put out by the media and an attorney. Lets be frank, Gates came home after a long flight from China, then to NY. He drives home and can't get into his home, he is pizzed, and rightly so. The last thing he wanted to see is the cops, demanding to know who he is. I think he was on his last nerve and once he started in, there was no backing down, I am sure he was tired, pizzed and embarrassed and in an attempt to save face, started a tirade against *******. Maybe ******* should have walked away, maybe not, it was his call. He appears to be man enough to stand up for himself. Let's watch and see this " photo op " with Obama play out.

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    It's no secret that Sgt. ******* Arrested Gates because Gates pissed him off. Once Sgt. ******* determined that Gates lived at the residence that should have been the end. Sgt. ******* is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude. Stop Praising him like he's a darn hero.

    I agree with the above writer, but with one exception, that is, allowing the attitude from a citizen contact (IE., traffic stop), and not the reason for the stop, to determine the outcome of a stop. (providing there was no other laws broken, and notwithstanding discretion by the officer...).

    And for the responders that say there is no such thing as a POP(Pissing off the Police) arrest charge (they are right, I've never seen it titled this way in statute) However,
    they either have never worked a day as a street cop, or they are a damn liar (yes, I said it, LIAR!). Call it obstruction, resisting without, whatever you wish to. To say there is no historical basis for these sentiments, is horsepunky. So I'm calling BULL*@#@$ on this one.

    My comments on the Gates issue. I'm glad the debate is out in the open for public consumption. Mr gates was tired, pissed, and wanted to get in his house. He (Gates), was wrong for calling the officer a racist. The officer was also doing his job based upon the limitations of his training. I for one, would have never walked into a house (bearing in mind that a hot call for burglary in progress) by myself, unless the facts on the ground were suitable for me to enter without appropriate backup. This officer did. After identifying Gates, he should have left). The mere fact that he didn't leave was may have allowed the homeowner to tweak him and piss him off, period! Hence, the tumult and arrest that followed is the essence of this debate.
    President Obama responded to this issue, as I would expect any forthright president should have after being asked by a member of the press. The use of the word 'stupidly' according to the president, should have been calibrated differently. To this end I also agree. The debate is here folks, and its real. Lets be decent to one another, and not attempt to blow smoke up people's ... fill in the rest. These things happen.

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    I don't fault Obama, he is a good dictator. And the United Socialist Republic of America is still #1!!! Praise Obama!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by guestwhen
    It's no secret that Sgt. ******* Arrested Gates because Gates pissed him off. Once Sgt. ******* determined that Gates lived at the residence that should have been the end. Sgt. ******* is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude. Stop Praising him like he's a darn hero.

    I agree with the above writer, but with one exception, that is, allowing the attitude from a citizen contact (IE., traffic stop), and not the reason for the stop, to determine the outcome of a stop. (providing there was no other laws broken, and notwithstanding discretion by the officer...).

    And for the responders that say there is no such thing as a POP(Pissing off the Police) arrest charge (they are right, I've never seen it titled this way in statute) However,
    they either have never worked a day as a street cop, or they are a darn liar (yes, I said it, LIAR!). Call it obstruction, resisting without, whatever you wish to. To say there is no historical basis for these sentiments, is horsepunky. So I'm calling BULL*@#@$ on this one.


    My comments on the Gates issue. I'm glad the debate is out in the open for public consumption. Mr gates was tired, pissed, and wanted to get in his house. He (Gates), was wrong for calling the officer a racist. The officer was also doing his job based upon the limitations of his training. I for one, would have never walked into a house (bearing in mind that a hot call for burglary in progress) by myself, unless the facts on the ground were suitable for me to enter without appropriate backup. This officer did. After identifying Gates, he should have left). The mere fact that he didn't leave was may have allowed the homeowner to tweak him and piss him off, period! Hence, the tumult and arrest that followed is the essence of this debate.
    President Obama responded to this issue, as I would expect any forthright president should have after being asked by a member of the press. The use of the word 'stupidly' according to the president, should have been calibrated differently. To this end I also agree. The debate is here folks, and its real. Lets be decent to one another, and not attempt to blow smoke up people's ... fill in the rest. These things happen.
    OK, a few clarifications would be nice, how do you know ******* entered the home without backup? I do know from what I read in the media, that Harvard College Police were called when it was determined that Gates was an employee, I also read that ******* responded to the call because he was close by, he was not the dispatched unit, who was still responding. You seem to miss the point with your " POP" theory. POP as you call it is not illegal or unlawful, it must still be based on probable cause. If a police officer CHOOSES to make a obstruction, resisting and/or disorderly charge it must still be based on probable cause. You even admit it yourself when you say that the attitude should not dictate the outcome, notwithstanding officer discretion or p/c. Every charge of resisting,DOC and obstruction IS BASED ON ATTITUDE AND PROBABLE CAUSE. Someone who is causing a disturbance, when warned and calms down, is not arrested. Attitude is everything, even in court, true remorse and contrition will get liency, same thing on the street. Attitude works both ways, it will get you locked up but it will get you off. Unless we have robots patrolling our streets, attitude will forever be there, and not in our jobs but every profession. Studies have been conducted showing the treatment attractive people receive vs unattractive persons, thin persons vs. overweight persons. You make it sound like attitude should not be taken into consideration when in fact IT MUST. An arrest for disorderly conduct is made 99% of the time because the persons attitude justified the arrest. So go ahead and call BS on it, you need to open your mind up as well, tell me that you have never been swayed by attitude of the person you stopped? Negative or positive? You stopped a well dressed,polite person for speeding. He/She quickly gives you their D/L and apologize, telling you they are late for work, admit their error. Now same senario but the driver is slumped down in the seat, dressed in gangsta garb, asks why you stopped him, makes you reach in for the d/l and ask why you stopped him/her because they did nothing wrong. Who got the ticket? Don't fool yourself, society dictates how we are to act and respond in certain situations, think of a job interview or applying for a bank loan, you act a certain way, you dress a certain way.
    As far as the presidents remarks, Imagine if George Bush was on TV and was asked the same question about the same incident, but Bush states, " I am biased, I have known Sgt. ******* and his family for years and considered them friends, that being said, I believe Prof. Gates and the entire Harvard Community acted stupidly, Gates should have just complied and we would not be having this discussion.........Don't be quick to call B/S because you base everything on what you would do, there are others in the world besides you. Be safe and use your best judgement in the future, I am sure your parents instilled good manners and a sense of right and wrong in you.

  7. #17
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    The officer did nothing wrong. The officer was conducting an investigation. If the professor was not racist himself he would have been able to see past the white cop and assisted in the investigation. When someone calls in saying someone broke into a home, which does happen, the cops have to think there might be hostages. We always plan for the worst and hope for the best. It was good police work and a shame that the charges were dropped. People need to cooperate and stop playing the stupid race card.

  8. #18
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    Lots of Monday morning QB's on here. It's bad when the general public does it but when members of the LEO community does it pretty ridiculous because we should know better. When someone asks me what I would do in a particular situation I say that, "I don't know because. I wasn't there." All of you who are saying that you would have done this or that and that it was a POP arrest should be ashamed because none of us where there, plain and simple. So would I have arrested Gates for what he did? I don't know. I wasn't there.

    However, based on seeing the interviews with both individuals and how they conduct themselves and reading one of the best police reports I've see in a long time, I'd say it was fairly clear who was in the wrong.

  9. #19
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    Sgt *******, Professor Gates & Prez Obama

    It's a bit ironic that the three people who "reacted badly" will sit down together in the White House and drink a beer while the one person who did not overreact (the passerby) will be at work Thursday.

    Must be a guy thing!

  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ride'n the fence
    I can see both sides but as a veteran officer, I would have walked away once it was determined this was the home owner. We all know not everyone likes us or thinks we are doing a great job. Gates is certainly setting a poor example for young people in particular. But unfortunately, since Obama took office I can't help but notice people of color sorta think they're in charge now. We only elected one Black man to run the country. For the rest of them, a little respect for our profession will do nicely.
    When you say "we elected a black man" I have to take exception to that remark. You and others may have elected him but I had nothing to do with it. All the information about Obama was out there before the election and anyone just a little smarter than a fool could have seen what was coming. It only took six months but comes as no surprise to me. The Japanese have a saying that if you want to know a man's character, look to his friends. In Obama's case that would be Wright, Ayers, Dorne and now Gates, not to mention his America adorning wife Michelle. Before I go further let me put something I know you're thinking to rest; if Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell had been a presidential candidate I would have voted for either over John McCain and I'm a republican. At least I was but today I see no difference between the two so I don't know what I am other than pissed. Sergeant ******* has nothing to apologize for and in my view is a stand up person. My only reservation about the outcome of this incident is that of meeting with these buffons for a beer. I would tell them both no thanks. If there's a "racist" to be found in this situation then look no further than Gates and Obama. That's my definition of a "learning moment" because it is what it is. The "because I'm black" excuse doesn't get it with me.

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