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    NDN - New General Order

    Collier deputies told to stay away from making comments online, or else
    By RYAN MILLS

    Originally published 08:38 p.m., June 18, 2009
    Updated 09:13 p.m., June 18, 2009

    Collier County sheriff’s deputies are being told to zip their lips — or at least quiet their keyboards — when it comes to commenting on public Internet messaging boards and posting agency-related information on their personal Web pages.

    The Sheriff’s Office unveiled its new non-agency Web site policy in early June. Around the same time, Cpl. Paul Boliek, a 20-year veteran of the Sheriff’s Office, was referred to Sheriff Kevin Rambosk for discipline after officials say he posted a derogatory comment on a public Web site and identified himself as an agency member.

    Chief Greg Smith said the two are not related.

    “It had nothing to do with the Paul Boliek situation,” Smith said of the new policy. “This was completely independent of that, and foreran that by a good three months.”

    The policy, which was issued on June 5, states that agency members have a right, as private citizens, to have personal Web sites. However, the agency prohibits employees from posting “references to or about” the Sheriff’s Office, agency staff or agency information obtained in a member’s official capacity without permission from Rambosk or “his designee.”

    Sheriff’s Office employees are barred from posting images of the agency’s uniforms, badges, patches or vehicles, and are not allowed to identify themselves online as Sheriff’s Office members.

    Smith said the policy applies to social networking sites like Facebook and YouTube, public messaging sites like the popular LEOAffairs.com, and news sites like naplesnews.com. The Sheriff’s Office’s public information staff currently comments on naplesnews.com under the moniker “CCSO_Star.”

    Sheriff’s Office attorney Mike Hedberg said the policy does not abridge free speech. Previous policies already addressed issues like writing letters to newspapers. The only difference now is the online format, Hedberg said.

    “What’s protected speech is speech of a private citizen on public concern,” Hedberg said. “It is not an absolute right if it is a speech of a member that interferes with the efficient operation of the agency. It can be regulated.”

    After being sent a copy of the new policy, Brandon Hensler, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida, said it appeared to be “vague and overbroad.”

    “Furthermore, officers need advance notice of precisely what is expected of them, and this policy is not clear,” Hensler said. “Will officers be prohibited from posting their employer information on their Facebook page? What about family photos? The answer will depend on how the policy is interpreted, communicated to officers and staff, and most importantly — how it is implemented — to know whether it is a constitutional overstep.”

    In Boliek’s case, Smith said Boliek, 41, made a “specific comment, which was derogatory, and he identified himself in an official manner.” Smith said he wasn’t sure on which site Boliek made the comment.

    When asked about commenting on sites like LEOAffairs.com, Smith said, “For me, personally, I wouldn’t do it.” But he said the agency doesn’t have time to police sites like that and attempt to track down anonymous bloggers.

    In an egregious case, violators could be terminated, Smith said.

    “It is against the Sheriff’s policy as an agency representative and member to blog about anything without having the proper clearance,” Smith said. “If they identify themselves on that site or any other site, they would be held responsible for their content. ... If they didn’t sign their name and there’s no way to identify them, then there’s not much we can do about that.”

    Regarding the new policy, one blogger on LEOAffairs.com, identified only as “Curious George,” said deputies will continue posting on public messaging boards if agency leaders fail to address problems.

    “This site is a way to vent, like it or not, so if you do not want your dirty little secrets to be posted on a public site then CORRECT the problem when it is brought to your attention!” Curious George wrote. “This is how you keep stuff off of this board. Deputies will continue to post about problems that affect their job and (are) not corrected by staff; they will just do it under an assumed name instead of their real name.”

    Chris Jordan, president of the Fraternal Order of Police organization representing Collier deputies, called the new policy appropriate. He described LEOAffairs.com as a “comic book-type Web page with bloggers hiding behind a keyboard to humiliate fellow brothers and sisters.”

    “We understand that social networking is without doubt the way of the future, but we also believe there are limitations about what we can say and cannot say in public forums,” Jordan said.

    The Lee County Sheriff’s Office’s “Internet Usage Policy” does not address personal Web sites, social networking sites or public message board comments. Naples police spokesman Michael Herman said his department does not have a specific policy regarding personal Web sites, but does have policies concerning the dissemination of confidential information.

    “We do not have a policy concerning individuals voicing their own opinions,” Herman said. “If someone were to do something that were to put the department in a bad light or bring discredit to the department, instances like that could be looked at on a case-by-case basis.”

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    Re: NDN - New General Order

    Curious George is right!

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    Why did this happen?????

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    It happened because Rambosk can't take the heat.

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    Paparazzi, I guess you are violating the new policy. You going on leave? (don't forget that if it's administrative leave that 25 percent of your pay is given to the IRS instead of the typical amount).
    Quote Originally Posted by Paparazzi LEO
    Curious George is right!

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    I am thinking that everyone has a right to express their opinion.. and if you are not on the clock and it is not interfering with your duties why not have somewhere that you can communicate and voice your concerns or even give a pat on the back..?? I am thinking that those above shall have a difficult time enforcing this without a civil suit to wrap up the story.. What ever happened to the right of free speech? Blog on! I appreciate and respect those that seem to have nothing to hide.

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    [quote=Not a CCSO deputy]Paparazzi, I guess you are violating the new policy. You going on leave? (don't forget that if it's administrative leave that 25 percent of your pay is given to the IRS instead of the typical amount).
    Quote Originally Posted by "Paparazzi LEO":3usqg5d2
    Curious George is right!
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    Jen, I can see why you are not a deputy.

    The new policy states that you can not use your real name, badge number, radio unit number or anything else to include pictures that can identify you as a CCSO deputy while posting on a public site or any site not approved by the Sheriff.

    There is nothing wrong with this policy. Anyone who posts by any method that would identify you as a deputy for a non-official purpose is foolish!

    So keep using an annonymous name and continue to blog, blog, blog! The Sheriff is not going after anyone who conceals their identity only those who reveal their identity.

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    Exactly right Paparazzi.

    It's like going on the 6pm news in uniform to make comments about co-workers or the agency...you can't do it!!

    But you can still post anonymous comments on a forum. Just don't claim to represent the agency by using your name,i.d. number or radio number. Any public comment made in such a manner that would make it easy for a defense or civil attorney to take our agency money is foolish and detrimental to OUR jobs.

    ** (I wasn't here) **

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    I agree that the policy is very broad and open to the interpretation of the policymakers (admin). This is not to say that I don't agree with it. Hell, it needs to be that way as far as I'm concerned.

    This forum's creation was not intended for what it is frequently used for by those that feel the need to stand on others to push themselves up a notch. My personal opinion is that leoaffairs was created to provoke original and creative thought by the members of our profession. The anonymity is the engine that powers that outlet of free thinking. However, it has to have rules in place so the thin-skinned don't get their feelings hurt. The rules are also there to protect you from jamming yourself up.

    Q: What business would you have needing to identify yourself, first by name, and then even further as a law enforcemnt officer when making a public posting that has a personal opinion involved?

    A: To give some chump lawyer ammunition against you or your dept. in a civil suit.

    That's the only answer that works for that question, face it. Nothing positive can come from it. People that have an axe to grind will find someone to bury it in, don't let it be you.

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    Why is NDN killing us?
    I thought they liked KR.

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