Man Up Time !!

Hey brother, when you coming back?? We ALL want to know, tired of being kept in the dark. Man up and show up!! I bet you don't!!!!!!! HaHaHaHa!!! :lol:

Who the hell are you talking about?

It's a coming. I bet you're a no show!! Surprise me, MAN UP !!

It's a coming. I bet you're a no show!! Surprise me, MAN UP !!

Well what if I am a woman?

what are you talking about slappy

GIRLYMAN, the time has come!! Be the BADMOFO you believe you are!! Show your lost believers that YOU BELIEVE!! Rescue them, comfort them, welcome them back into your folds. Let them know your ARE THE CHOSEN ONE, you cannot be defeated or defamed. YOU DID NOTHING WRONG, prove this to us by your second coming!! We want to believe, don't leave us behind, escort us into the dark folds of your womb, feed us and deliver us as you have done in the past !!! We will comply and remain in communication and be loyal as we have done since the beginning of this Salem witch hunt, you are not a witch, you are not a spineless jellyfish as the evil doer's want us to believe, you are our forever correct, no matter what the decision, irregardelss of the stupidity it may prove, LEADER !!!! Come to us, we are lost and drifting without you, slowly dying, wondering where we shall go henceforth if you abandon us as mere fodder that has been meaningless over the years as you spewed your rhetoric to us telling us how important we are when you knew we were nothing more than mere pawns in your personal chess game. DON"T ABANDON US !!! WE NEED YOU !! :twisted:

GIRLYMAN, the time has come!! Be the BADMOFO you believe you are!! Show your lost believers that YOU BELIEVE!! Rescue them, comfort them, welcome them back into your folds. Let them know your ARE THE CHOSEN ONE, you cannot be defeated or defamed. YOU DID NOTHING WRONG, prove this to us by your second coming!! We want to believe, don't leave us behind, escort us into the dark folds of your womb, feed us and deliver us as you have done in the past !!! We will comply and remain in communication and be loyal as we have done since the beginning of this Salem witch hunt, you are not a witch, you are not a spineless jellyfish as the evil doer's want us to believe, you are our forever correct, no matter what the decision, irregardelss of the stupidity it may prove, LEADER !!!! Come to us, we are lost and drifting without you, slowly dying, wondering where we shall go henceforth if you abandon us as mere fodder that has been meaningless over the years as you spewed your rhetoric to us telling us how important we are when you knew we were nothing more than mere pawns in your personal chess game. DON"T ABANDON US !!! WE NEED YOU !! :twisted:


Is this rant directed to She Devil?

She Devil is still cleaning out his pants. :twisted:

Things got a little too hot when the courts got involved. And the court decisions were not so firm that they might not go in a different direction with a different set of facts. And now that the posts are (semi)permanent the chances of a hit and run post getting by are lessened. Can you slip one in using a rolling or anonymous IP? Sure. Will it stay on the board once the moderators see it? Nah. Are you running a risk? Yep.

Garbage like his old posts won't fly here anymore. And that's a good thing!

There was a time when deputies came on this board and exchanged tips and information about how to do the job of a LEO. I recall messages in which AIs gave information about their speciality to those less involved in crash investigations.

I recall exchanges of information and opinions on firearms brands and ammunition choices.

I recall serious discussions of what salary and benefits were of highest priority in future negotiations.

I recall information about workers' comp, health insurance, short term and long term disability.

This board was an asset.

Then it degenerated into name calling, unsupported accusations against each other and dispicable allegations about management which had no business in this forum.

So - rejoice that we aren't hearing the old garbage from She Devil. We don't need him here!

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Suggest you look at the thread "repost from TPD". It is a very interesting read. Seems one of our fellow LEO's at TPD sued the City over a recent investigation, both criminal and in IA. He requested and injunctions as to TPD wanting his medical records from his private doctor. He refused and IA said well......we are going to fire you if you do not hand over these records. His lawyer said what he does off duty, as long as it is not against the law is his business and not TPD's even if it violated a policy.

Now if you go to that thread and read the opion of the judge, the judge says that nowhere in the Constitution does an individual have to give up any of their rights as a citizen in order to become a LEO. Department policies are valid for when you are working, but a sheriff or cheif can not dictate what you do on your time as long as what you are doing is legal.

Once you read the ruling and you think of the ruling of the 2nd DCA those that say that you do not have the right are the one's that want to limit what you say. These are the same people that will hide and mislead the facts in order to reach a goal that they see as right (in their own little minds).

These are the same people that can only lead via fear, and not by example.

No one has been named or insinuated, it's just meaningless blither directed at the gullible herd to make THEM insinuate those they choose. If it applies, apply, if it doesn't, don't. You read it and you choose to stamp it on whatever. Beyond that, as I said, meaningless blither, blah blah blah, yada yada yada, same old sh*t, been there done that kind of empty, worthless noise flowing from someones mouth (keyboard). Keep biting, someone else will throw another line into the pond with more bait to see who will take a taste!! :lol:

No one has been named or insinuated, it's just meaningless blither directed at the gullible herd to make THEM insinuate those they choose.


Wrong! When a poster makes sexual allegations and says it involves a Plant City resident who is one of two brothers who are both Majors - it is indeed "insinuated." More than insinuated, it is zeroed in!

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With regard to the TPD case, it is entirely different. A different judge with different circumstances and different facts may well make a very different determination.

She Devil thinks so, which is why we aren't hearing from him.

No one has been named or insinuated, it's just meaningless blither directed at the gullible herd to make THEM insinuate those they choose.


Wrong! When a poster makes sexual allegations and says it involves a Plant City resident who is one of two brothers who are both Majors - it is indeed "insinuated." More than insinuated, it is zeroed in!

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With regard to the TPD case, it is entirely different. A different judge with different circumstances and different facts may well make a very different determination.

She Devil thinks so, which is why we aren't hearing from him.

Get your head out of the sand. Now we have 3, yes 3, Hillsborough Judges have said the same thing. Then you have the 2nd DCA who refused to even hear the case for the Sheriff. I won't even go into other courts outside of our great State that have said the same thing.......one of which was the Delaware Supreme Court which all in the legal field say is much like the US Supreme Court in the way they handle their cases and render opinions.

Guess what we need is for the Sheriff to take action for something someone does off duty and that is not against the law. Then when he loses in court his staff will get the hint.

Get your head out of the sand. Now we have 3, yes 3, Hillsborough Judges have said the same thing. Then you have the 2nd DCA who refused to even hear the case for the Sheriff. I won't even go into other courts outside of our great State that have said the same thing.......one of which was the Delaware Supreme Court which all in the legal field say is much like the US Supreme Court in the way they handle their cases and render opinions.

Guess what we need is for the Sheriff to take action for something someone does off duty and that is not against the law. Then when he loses in court his staff will get the hint.


Tell me, if everyone sees it your way why are we no longer seeing any of the vitriolic posts of the type that were very, very commonplace before the Sheriff's first legal action in court?

Because no one is convinced that you are right!

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If you would remember those posts were during negotiations with the PBA and Command Staff. Many were upset as Command Staff and the PBA took forever to reach an agreement.

Also with due time amny just stopped posting and have found better things to do.

If you would remember those posts were during negotiations with the PBA and Command Staff. Many were upset as Command Staff and the PBA took forever to reach an agreement.

You consider that a justification for those filthy allegations? Incredible!




Also with due time amny just stopped posting and have found better things to do.


Sure, sure.

:wink:

You consider that a justification for those filthy allegations? Incredible!

And is that justification for Command Staff to treat their workers like dirt? To treat us to a different standard than they are held to? We still have a radio system that does not work and a Records Management System that is several years behind in coming online, but those that are responsible are still being promoted. In a real world they would have been fired.

You consider that a justification for those filthy allegations? Incredible!

And is that justification for Command Staff to treat their workers like dirt? To treat us to a different standard than they are held to? We still have a radio system that does not work and a Records Management System that is several years behind in coming online, but those that are responsible are still being promoted. In a real world they would have been fired.


I'll help you say what you MEANT.

You meant that in an IDEAL world they would have been fired.

THIS is the real world.

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And again - even if what you claim were true (that the workers are treated like dirt), that is no justification for the filth that was posted on this board. Nor is it really true that the workers are treated like dirt. Nonsense!

Point out to me that "ideal" agency that doesn't have complaints about the way it is managed. Doesn't exist.

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By the way - both the radio system and the records system are products of the Henderson era. We are stuck with them because too much money has been invested to start over at this time.

Do you ever read the TPD board? Their radios don't work well either. Check with some other agencies the size of ours. Everyone has complaints because the communications companies ALL promised more than they could deliver.

The records system? Going back to MAPPER, remember that MAPPER was a financial system that was adapted for our use. How far back does that go? Was it under Heinrich or Beard that the decision was made to do that?

And the current system, coming in under Henderson, was put in the hands of the Fiscal Division (I could name the specific individual who managed the project, he's now retired) and the top priority was again financial.

And what happened? When a LEO confronted the financial guy and pointed out the shortcomings of the system as it was being developed the LEO GOT BOUNCED out of his position and was essentially told that he had seen his last promotion! (To be fair I must mention that the transfer was under Henderson, the word that he probably wouldn't be promoted again was under Gee and Docobo.) A great talent and a real asset to the office got sidelined with that decision. He, understandably, went into DROP.

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Frankly, I'm not a big fan of almost anyone in top management these days, except the Sheriff himself who I'm sure is dedicated to the safety of the citizens of this county AND the welfare of his employees. Unfortunately, the pool of potential management people that the Sheriff had to chose from was not particularly deep. If asked, which I wasn't, I would have counseled him to go outside the agency for two or three of his top people.

But if he had done that some of the same people who are grumbling about who he did promote from within would be complaining that he brought in people from the outside, producing less upward mobility inside the agency.

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No matter what the Sheriff does, there will always be malcontents, whiners and complainers who either don't see the big picture or won't accept the facts of life that go with the big picture because they enjoy being complainers.

T'was ever thus.

Alas........................................

Ahh, yes it was started under Henderson, but Gee has had a chance to try and fix it.....it is still the same. And those same people that were in charge under Henderson are still in charge today. So please, don't blame Henderson as his people have just moved up in rank and also were given huge increases in pay for a job well done :lol:

Ahh, yes it was started under Henderson, but Gee has had a chance to try and fix it.....it is still the same. And those same people that were in charge under Henderson are still in charge today. So please, don't blame Henderson as his people have just moved up in rank and also were given huge increases in pay for a job well done :lol:


You are incredibly obtuse!

It was just explained that Gee isn't in a position to "fix" the records system or the communications system with a wave of his hand because of financial constraints. You clearly have no conception of the realities of the function of finances in operating a large government agency.

And, no - virtually all of the top staff (Colonels and Majors) who were Henderson's staff are gone. Gone! Not just moved up in rank. You don't REALLY think that the decisions about radio and records were even made primarily by the staff do you? It was high ranking CIVILIANS who had primary input about what programs to chose. It was CIVILIAN radio technician managers who made the radio selection and CIVILIAN financial managers who made the software selections that affected the records program.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see." - Thomas Chalkley

Unhappily, you appear to be one of these people.

Since you will obviously remain obstinantly obdurate, (redundant, I know) I shall move on. 8)

Thank you for making the point that the system , radio and records, was built by persons that have not a clue as to what the street officer needs......and it shows.

The former Command Staff maybe gone, but those that followed were none other than the "staff in training". Faces and names may have changed, but the attitudes did not. The joke is still if the Command Staff does not think they come up with the idea, then don't even bother suggesting it. The feeling has been that the minds of those high up are closed and will never listen to those underneath them.

A perfect example is the RMS. The Office had committees after committees for everyone that would be effected by the new RMS. Everyone was asked what was needed in order to do their job. I know of one committee that asked for things and they were denied by civilian managers. When they attempted to plea their case........the committee never met again. So please go pat yourself on the back if you are one of those that lead the Sheriff down the rosy path to a terrible system that still, after several years, is not up and running. I just hope the trip to Salt Lake was worth it.

"Thank you for making the point that the system , radio and records, was built by persons that have not a clue as to what the street officer needs......and it shows."

Well, not exactly. I recall one LEO who was a significant presence on the implementation of the new radio system, and he gained a promotion out of it. I believe that he had a clue as to what the street officer needs. It's just that the vendor over-promised and couldn't deliver.

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To date, no one has responded to my earlier challange:

"Point out to me that "ideal" agency that doesn't have complaints about the way it is managed. Doesn't exist."


Also note that I haven't spoken highly of the former staff, the current staff or any of the civilian financial managers who made the decisions regarding the current computer system.

I'm not defending any of them; just trying to bring some balance to what would otherwise not even be a discussion - just a gripe session.

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"The former Command Staff maybe gone, but those that followed were none other than the "staff in training".

Can you honestly say that you would have preferred that the new Sheriff had brought in several people from the outside to be his staff? You may respond "They couldn't be any worse than what we have," but the fact is that if he had done so and things were still as they are now you would still be making the same complaints. But you couldn't blame it on the "staff in training."

(The lower ranks are always "in training" for the higher ranks. How else would you expect it to work?)

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Hey folks, look what's happening. A discussion! An exchange of views in which neither person has called the other names or accused them of being dishonorable.

It can be done.

To date, no one has responded to my earlier challange:

"Point out to me that "ideal" agency that doesn't have complaints about the way it is managed. Doesn't exist."


But why not try and make HCSO the 1st?


Also note that I haven't spoken highly of the former staff, the current staff or any of the civilian financial managers who made the decisions regarding the current computer system.

I'm not defending any of them; just trying to bring some balance to what would otherwise not even be a discussion - just a gripe session.

But if the system is broke, why not let the Sheriff know? Why not eat what we have done and move on? I do not think that money is the isuue, it is more about someones pride. Screw the Pride, real men and women stand up and admit when mistakes are made.

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"The former Command Staff maybe gone, but those that followed were none other than the "staff in training".

Can you honestly say that you would have preferred that the new Sheriff had brought in several people from the outside to be his staff? You may respond "They couldn't be any worse than what we have," but the fact is that if he had done so and things were still as they are now you would still be making the same complaints. But you couldn't blame it on the "staff in training."

(The lower ranks are always "in training" for the higher ranks. How else would you expect it to work?)

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The Sheriff made a promise that we are gonig to the the best trained, the highest educated and the best paid. He has brought in one piece of the puzzle with a new Training Major, a Major from the outside. I have no problems with this as it shows "those in training" that if they can not do the job, then we will do what it takes to get the job done.


Hey folks, look what's happening. A discussion! An exchange of views in which neither person has called the other names or accused them of being dishonorable.

It can be done.

Nice isn't it? Very refreshing