Did the state reinstate the 3% retirement earned each year?

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I was wondering if the state reinstated the 3% retirement earned each year for retirement?

I have not heard anything about it.

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I was wondering if the state reinstated the 3% retirement earned each year for retirement?

I have not heard anything about it.

NO! Only those who made the cutoff by, I believe, July 1, 2011. Your horrible Gov. Scott created this along with the decrease in the DROP interest rate.

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NO! Only those who made the cutoff by, I believe, July 1, 2011. Your horrible Gov. Scott created this along with the decrease in the DROP interest rate.

I believe the 3% annual COLA has not been reinstated. The 3% per year of service is still in place. If I am wrong, someone please correct me. I retired in 2011.

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I believe the 3% annual COLA has not been reinstated. The 3% per year of service is still in place. If I am wrong, someone please correct me. I retired in 2011.

You are correct. The 3% COLA is gone. The republican Ponzi Scheme that ended it sunsetted on 06/30/16. When the republican legislature took the money, they created a false belief that it would only be for five years. Guess what happened next? The republicans passed another bill reinstating the COLA IF the republican legislature decided to fund it. Go ahead and make another guess....NO FUNDS were made available to reinstate COLA. Thank a republican on November 8th.

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So that means the longer some of these troopers staying on are just making their own yearly retirement COLA smaller with each passing year.

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So that means the longer some of these troopers staying on are just making their own yearly retirement COLA smaller with each passing year.

Yep. Whatever years you had before July 1, 2011 gets divided into whatever you earned after that date. So theoretically your COLA gets smaller each year. if you started after 07/01/2011, it's a moot point. You aren't getting a COLA. Thank a republican on November 8th.

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Your talking about an agency that does not even try and ask for a raise for its civilian employees, that haven't has a raise since 2006. Fhp does not care about its people at all.

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Your talking about an agency that does not even try and ask for a raise for its civilian employees, that haven't has a raise since 2006. Fhp does not care about its people at all.

Beat them at their own game: PROMOTE and EARN higher wages and pensions.
It's not rocket science; it's economics 101.

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Beat them at their own game: PROMOTE and EARN higher wages and pensions.
It's not rocket science; it's economics 101.

Sure I will...why didn't I think of that before, wait!! if I promote to Sgt I'll be making 44k and change a year 🤔 that makes sense. That's A BIG chunk of money a year!!!!!👌
That is probably a reason everyone in the Patrol wants to promote, smfh!!

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Sure I will...why didn't I think of that before, wait!! if I promote to Sgt I'll be making 44k and change a year 🤔 that makes sense. That's A BIG chunk of money a year!!!!!👌
That is probably a reason everyone in the Patrol wants to promote, smfh!!

How much of a pay raise is there for getting promoted to sergeant?

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How much of a pay raise is there for getting promoted to sergeant?

15 percent for Sergeant. Some people promote to Corporal and work as a THI for a year before trying to promote to Sergeant. Corporal is a 10 percent raise, but if you stay in the position for at least one year, the 15 percent for Sergeant is stacked on top.

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I live in broward, the base yrly was 65k, I always hit 90k for the last 5 . my service time was 83-2009
I retired in 2009 with 26 at 78 % at age 49.
I can't see why anyone would want to work for a state agency fhp or d.o.c.
but I respect....yr decision....

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NO! Only those who made the cutoff by, I believe, July 1, 2011. Your horrible Gov. Scott created this along with the decrease in the DROP interest rate.

I called Gov Scott's office to tell him what I thought of his idiot ideas. I stuck my ass to the phone and ripped the nastiest, sloppiest and most rancid egg fart of my life. Thankfully the Lt had called in sick so I used his phone.

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Beat them at their own game: PROMOTE and EARN higher wages and pensions.
It's not rocket science; it's economics 101.

It always amazes me that FHP says it cannot give it's troopers raises but they have no problem giving Captains, Majors, Chiefs, Lt. Colonel and yes the Colonel himself a pay raise. Did you know the Colonel makes over $1000,000 more than a trooper with 20 years of experience. I don't know how the brass sleeps at night. With all their talk they still haven't done anything to help the troops with pay. Don't start telling me they offer extra pay for specialty positions. That's just a chicken bone to distract you from what really matters. Money for retirement is all that matters. Don't say promote who cares about being the a**hole telling someone what to do because some other a**hole figures he has a different idea on how to write a ticket. I've done this job for over 20 years and I produce 300 contacts a month, not a slug, I'm looking at retirement in about 10 years but I will not be able to sit on the porch I'll be working again very shortly after I leave FHP. I didn't come here to be rich but I did think at one time that the state would honor their word and pay us. PBA has been a joke also. They have lined their pockets for years using us. They still don't CARE!!!!!!!!!! TO H*LL with them also!!!!! Soapbox is open to anyone else who wants to vent.

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It always amazes me that FHP says it cannot give it's troopers raises but they have no problem giving Captains, Majors, Chiefs, Lt. Colonel and yes the Colonel himself a pay raise. Did you know the Colonel makes over $1000,000 more than a trooper with 20 years of experience. I don't know how the brass sleeps at night. With all their talk they still haven't done anything to help the troops with pay. Don't start telling me they offer extra pay for specialty positions. That's just a chicken bone to distract you from what really matters. Money for retirement is all that matters. Don't say promote who cares about being the a**hole telling someone what to do because some other a**hole figures he has a different idea on how to write a ticket. I've done this job for over 20 years and I produce 300 contacts a month, not a slug, I'm looking at retirement in about 10 years but I will not be able to sit on the porch I'll be working again very shortly after I leave FHP. I didn't come here to be rich but I did think at one time that the state would honor their word and pay us. PBA has been a joke also. They have lined their pockets for years using us. They still don't CARE!!!!!!!!!! TO H*LL with them also!!!!! Soapbox is open to anyone else who wants to vent.
So leave go to another agency. Make your last 10 your highest 5 somewhere else.

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So leave go to another agency. Make your last 10 your highest 5 somewhere else.

Is that the answer to anyone who has a thought on here. If you express that thought leave. It would be a lonely place for all you kool aid drinkers if everyone left who didn't tow the FHP line. I love what I do I just wish the state, and PBA would have kept their word and paid us. That's the frustrating part of my story. Not leaving!!!!!

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It always amazes me that FHP says it cannot give it's troopers raises but they have no problem giving Captains, Majors, Chiefs, Lt. Colonel and yes the Colonel himself a pay raise. Did you know the Colonel makes over $1000,000 more than a trooper with 20 years of experience. I don't know how the brass sleeps at night. With all their talk they still haven't done anything to help the troops with pay. Don't start telling me they offer extra pay for specialty positions. That's just a chicken bone to distract you from what really matters. Money for retirement is all that matters. Don't say promote who cares about being the a**hole telling someone what to do because some other a**hole figures he has a different idea on how to write a ticket. I've done this job for over 20 years and I produce 300 contacts a month, not a slug, I'm looking at retirement in about 10 years but I will not be able to sit on the porch I'll be working again very shortly after I leave FHP. I didn't come here to be rich but I did think at one time that the state would honor their word and pay us. PBA has been a joke also. They have lined their pockets for years using us. They still don't CARE!!!!!!!!!! TO H*LL with them also!!!!! Soapbox is open to anyone else who wants to vent.

Wow, you are angry.
Is there some reason that the Colonel shouldn't be making a measly $135 K/ year for his experience, administrative work, and responibility? Many states pay more than that to their HP or SP CEO.

Secondly, Your fear of promotion to EARN more income for DOING more seems like a socialist comment. Why should you be paid more for doing the same thing...promote and accept more responsibility, produce more value, and become worth more. OR, enjoy your activity and its value, as is your pay.

Third, Let's assume your average of 300 a month contacts are valid. You clearly are a very, very productive trooper. However, If, and it's a big if, you are not double and triple counting "contacts" like so many others from sig 4's , and double and triple taps like a speed, seat-belt, insurance not displayed on one 10-50, etc., etc.; that would be equal to be 14 per 8 hour day..... MORE likely, taking into account report writing, days off, sick days, training days, etc., it's equal to 4-5 stops per hour of patrol time.... so.

You sound like you believe that you should just be paid more because you have more years of service. Why? More years, after 3-5 years, you are no more productive --so why should you be paid more. AND, why should you be paid after 25-30 years a "lifetime of income?" You only worked 30 years and would be probably in your mid 50's. PERHAPS, the proper retirement package would begin only at age 66 like SS..................

PROMOTE if you want to EARN more wages.

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Wow, you are angry.
Is there some reason that the Colonel shouldn't be making a measly $135 K/ year for his experience, administrative work, and responibility? Many states pay more than that to their HP or SP CEO.

Secondly, Your fear of promotion to EARN more income for DOING more seems like a socialist comment. Why should you be paid more for doing the same thing...promote and accept more responsibility, produce more value, and become worth more. OR, enjoy your activity and its value, as is your pay.

Third, Let's assume your average of 300 a month contacts are valid. You clearly are a very, very productive trooper. However, If, and it's a big if, you are not double and triple counting "contacts" like so many others from sig 4's , and double and triple taps like a speed, seat-belt, insurance not displayed on one 10-50, etc., etc.; that would be equal to be 14 per 8 hour day..... MORE likely, taking into account report writing, days off, sick days, training days, etc., it's equal to 4-5 stops per hour of patrol time.... so.

You sound like you believe that you should just be paid more because you have more years of service. Why? More years, after 3-5 years, you are no more productive --so why should you be paid more. AND, why should you be paid after 25-30 years a "lifetime of income?" You only worked 30 years and would be probably in your mid 50's. PERHAPS, the proper retirement package would begin only at age 66 like SS..................

PROMOTE if you want to EARN more wages.

FHP promotions are not the answer to the FHP pay crisis. All FHP troopers are paid notoriously low wages, but not all troopers can get promoted to solve the pay crisis.

On the one hand, many other SO and PD agencies pay too much. For example, a non-supervisory deputy retiring with 72k for the rest of his life is too much for taxpayers to support. His retirement pay is 72k!!!! Then the gets a 3% annual COLA of $2160+ every year for the rest of his life (pre-FRS 10.7.11 retirement plan).

On the other hand, it's a travesty to pay active-duty troopers less than half of what a retired deputy is raking in. It's a problem.

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Wow, you are angry.
Is there some reason that the Colonel shouldn't be making a measly $135 K/ year for his experience, administrative work, and responibility? Many states pay more than that to their HP or SP CEO.

Secondly, Your fear of promotion to EARN more income for DOING more seems like a socialist comment. Why should you be paid more for doing the same thing...promote and accept more responsibility, produce more value, and become worth more. OR, enjoy your activity and its value, as is your pay.

Third, Let's assume your average of 300 a month contacts are valid. You clearly are a very, very productive trooper. However, If, and it's a big if, you are not double and triple counting "contacts" like so many others from sig 4's , and double and triple taps like a speed, seat-belt, insurance not displayed on one 10-50, etc., etc.; that would be equal to be 14 per 8 hour day..... MORE likely, taking into account report writing, days off, sick days, training days, etc., it's equal to 4-5 stops per hour of patrol time.... so.

You sound like you believe that you should just be paid more because you have more years of service. Why? More years, after 3-5 years, you are no more productive --so why should you be paid more. AND, why should you be paid after 25-30 years a "lifetime of income?" You only worked 30 years and would be probably in your mid 50's. PERHAPS, the proper retirement package would begin only at age 66 like SS..................

PROMOTE if you want to EARN more wages.

1st question where did I say anything that resembled socialist or socialism? You need to find a dictionary. I was making the point that Captains and above get raises and the troops go year after year without a raise. No where did I mention or insinuate that the Colonel shouldn't be making $135,000.

I believe if someone, agency or bargaining unit tells you that your starting salary will be X amount and in 25 year you will be making $62,000 I expect them to honor their word. You could not see past your own ignorance it appears that you have contempt for the troopers? If your only answer is to promote then you have already lost your way. If you think being a boss fulfills you then more power to you. I don't think you are a loser because you want to promote. So extend the same courtesy to those of us who are fulfilled being a trooper.

Secondly, you try to invalidate me by braking down what you think must be my hourly rate of activity or by saying I must be double or triple tapping vehicles. What is wrong with you? To help you I will explain it to you I work 12 hours a day,. I write 150 tickets a month, 100 cards and 50 warnings. And to follow-up those tickets are to single cars the only double tap is for DWLSR.

Anything else you want to degrade me for? Think real hard before you speak this time. At least use some of those leadership traits you are suppose to have when you lead men. Not the management leadership way of doing things, speaking without care for your people.

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FHP promotions are not the answer to the FHP pay crisis. All FHP troopers are paid notoriously low wages, but not all troopers can get promoted to solve the pay crisis.

On the one hand, many other SO and PD agencies pay too much. For example, a non-supervisory deputy retiring with 72k for the rest of his life is too much for taxpayers to support. His retirement pay is 72k!!!! Then the gets a 3% annual COLA of $2160+ every year for the rest of his life (pre-FRS 10.7.11 retirement plan).

On the other hand, it's a travesty to pay active-duty troopers less than half of what a retired deputy is raking in. It's a problem.

I came from Texas to apply for LEO jobs in Florida, but never bothered to apply for FHP because I thought their selection process would be too rigorous because they are a "state" highway patrol e.g. I didn't think they'd hire me, so I never bothered to apply. Instead, I applied to an SO. I am now retired from the SO with an FRS pension that is currently equivalent to what a seasoned 10 year active-duty FHP trooper makes. The only difference is that I get a 3% COLA every year, while the active-duty trooper gets no guaranteed annual pay raise.

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1st question where did I say anything that resembled socialist or socialism? You need to find a dictionary. I was making the point that Captains and above get raises and the troops go year after year without a raise. No where did I mention or insinuate that the Colonel shouldn't be making $135,000.

I believe if someone, agency or bargaining unit tells you that your starting salary will be X amount and in 25 year you will be making $62,000 I expect them to honor their word. You could not see past your own ignorance it appears that you have contempt for the troopers? If your only answer is to promote then you have already lost your way. If you think being a boss fulfills you then more power to you. I don't think you are a loser because you want to promote. So extend the same courtesy to those of us who are fulfilled being a trooper.

Secondly, you try to invalidate me by braking down what you think must be my hourly rate of activity or by saying I must be double or triple tapping vehicles. What is wrong with you? To help you I will explain it to you I work 12 hours a day,. I write 150 tickets a month, 100 cards and 50 warnings. And to follow-up those tickets are to single cars the only double tap is for DWLSR.

Anything else you want to degrade me for? Think real hard before you speak this time. At least use some of those leadership traits you are suppose to have when you lead men. Not the management leadership way of doing things, speaking without care for your people.

So lets break this down. How long have you been on the patrol for? Since you throw out there 62k at 25 years numbers a step plan hasnt been around since the 1990's. Second if you believed what someone "told" you then that is your fault. You can go read the published pay rates and the lack of a step plan in writting which is offical. Plus you say you work 12 hour shifts this is pretty rare in the patrol and knowing the areas that are on 12 hours shifts I highly question the numbers you throw out..

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I came from Texas to apply for LEO jobs in Florida, but never bothered to apply for FHP because I thought their selection process would be too rigorous because they are a "state" highway patrol e.g. I didn't think they'd hire me, so I never bothered to apply. Instead, I applied to an SO. I am now retired from the SO with an FRS pension that is currently equivalent to what a seasoned 10 year active-duty FHP trooper makes. The only difference is that I get a 3% COLA every year, while the active-duty trooper gets no guaranteed annual pay raise.

When did you retire? And is your SO in the state retirement system or one of the county run systems? Just curious.

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When did you retire? And is your SO in the state retirement system or one of the county run systems? Just curious.

Retired about 5 years ago.

All Florida SO's are in the FRS, except for maybe Jacksonville SO (Jax has some sort of a combined municipal/FRS system --not sure exactly how it works). Anyway, county governments are sub-units of state government, which is why they are a part of the FRS system. Municipal governments may also join the FRS. but only a few have done so.

FHP troopers can transfer to any SO (except for Jax) and (1) not lose their time-accrued with FRS and (2) raise their retirement salary (because many SO's pay more than FHP). However, there are some SO's that pay very low, so you'll have to transfer to a higher-paying SO.

In the end, it's all about the money.

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So lets break this down. How long have you been on the patrol for? Since you throw out there 62k at 25 years numbers a step plan hasnt been around since the 1990's. Second if you believed what someone "told" you then that is your fault. You can go read the published pay rates and the lack of a step plan in writting which is offical. Plus you say you work 12 hour shifts this is pretty rare in the patrol and knowing the areas that are on 12 hours shifts I highly question the numbers you throw out..

There you go again!!! Do you ever think before you tap on your iPhone and spew your vile trying to belittle a trooper. I'll give you a bone to chew on little pup, in 1995 FHP and the state both presented the step pay plan in their hiring package. Work for us and you will be making $62,000 in 25 years. Also for your young brian to absorb when you retire the state will pay for all your holiday comp. PBA made an agreement with the devil and we lost our step pay plan and unlimited holiday comp time upon retirement It was in writing not what someone said. This is why I say the state doesn't honor their word. Now do you understand? That's as simple as I can make it for you.

Are you that young little pup you don't remember Brieton and Hildreth shoving the 12 hour shift down our throats two years ago. We have been on it ever since.

You doubt everything I say as if you are the one that knows it all. I had children go through that phase when they were 16 years old. When I was a lot younger I could write 30 contacts a day no sweat. It was an easy thing to do just sit on the shoulder of the interstate in Miami and the violators would just drive up to you 5 at a time. It was like shooting doves in a field.

It is called work ethic, set goals you want to accomplish and go abut reaching or exceeding them. That is how it's done little pup.

Now go away and study that test you feel will make you a real trooper or if I had to bet you are already a supervisor a lieutenant too arrogant to be Sergeant. Come back again when you gain some more knowledge, you might want to talk to one of your veteran troopers before you spout off again about things you don't know.


Good luck to you!

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There you go again!!! Do you ever think before you tap on your iPhone and spew your vile trying to belittle a trooper. I'll give you a bone to chew on little pup, in 1995 FHP and the state both presented the step pay plan in their hiring package. Work for us and you will be making $62,000 in 25 years. Also for your young brian to absorb when you retire the state will pay for all your holiday comp. PBA made an agreement with the devil and we lost our step pay plan and unlimited holiday comp time upon retirement It was in writing not what someone said. This is why I say the state doesn't honor their word. Now do you understand? That's as simple as I can make it for you.

Are you that young little pup you don't remember Brieton and Hildreth shoving the 12 hour shift down our throats two years ago. We have been on it ever since.

You doubt everything I say as if you are the one that knows it all. I had children go through that phase when they were 16 years old. When I was a lot younger I could write 30 contacts a day no sweat. It was an easy thing to do just sit on the shoulder of the interstate in Miami and the violators would just drive up to you 5 at a time. It was like shooting doves in a field.

It is called work ethic, set goals you want to accomplish and go abut reaching or exceeding them. That is how it's done little pup.


Now go away and study that test you feel will make you a real trooper or if I had to bet you are already a supervisor a lieutenant too arrogant to be Sergeant. Come back again when you gain some more knowledge, you might want to talk to one of your veteran troopers before you spout off again about things you don't know.


Good luck to you!


IUPA was the union for he troopers when the step pay plan was lost, not PBA.

Holiday comp and Sick leave were going to be dropped down no matter what most sheriff offices has long ago done away with being able to collect holiday comp and sick leave that was still on the books at retirement.

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IUPA was the union for he troopers when the step pay plan was lost, not PBA.

Holiday comp and Sick leave were going to be dropped down no matter what most sheriff offices has long ago done away with being able to collect holiday comp and sick leave that was still on the books at retirement.

How many times just went through this. History lesson young troop, PBA was the bargaining union in 1992. They agreed to a one year freeze of the step pay plan and it never came back. FHP and the state continued to use the step pay plan in their hiring packages until late 2001.

IUPA 6000 wasn't founded until March of 2000. In case you don't know 6000 is the state law enforcement chapter. That's 8 years after PBA agreed to the freeze.

To your other point the SO had to do the same as FHP because the state said they would not pay holiday comp over 240 hours. Anyone in the FRS system had to abide by that decision.

Hopefully this helped. PBA is not your Savior. They just take your money, solicit in the name of troopers to the tune of 30 million dollars a year and you get nothing from them. Get in trouble and need them to represent you good luck!! They have written the contract with DMS so you barely have any rights.

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How many times just went through this. History lesson young troop, PBA was the bargaining union in 1992. They agreed to a one year freeze of the step pay plan and it never came back. FHP and the state continued to use the step pay plan in their hiring packages until late 2001.

IUPA 6000 wasn't founded until March of 2000. In case you don't know 6000 is the state law enforcement chapter. That's 8 years after PBA agreed to the freeze.

To your other point the SO had to do the same as FHP because the state said they would not pay holiday comp over 240 hours. Anyone in the FRS system had to abide by that decision.

Hopefully this helped. PBA is not your Savior. They just take your money, solicit in the name of troopers to the tune of 30 million dollars a year and you get nothing from them. Get in trouble and need them to represent you good luck!! They have written the contract with DMS so you barely have any rights.

Clearly you hate the PBA, but I was with FHP when we lost the step pay plan and IUPA was the bargaining unit.

Also when PBA was voted out they had a 5% pay raise bargained for PBA members, but when IUPA was voted in the state had held off on signing off on that pay raise until after the PBA/IUPA election, when IUPA won the state sat down with IUPA and asked them what they wanted and IUPA told the state what ever you think is fair.

FHP members lost the 5% and got a much smaller raise, in the mean time all the other agencies that stayed with PBA got the 5% raise.

IUPA was a disaster for FHP, IUPA allowed different agencies to be the head of the unit and for a while FHP was at the mercy of FWC. The best thing to happen was when IUPA was voted out at the first chance.

Another group that only causes problems is FAST.

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Now here is a little history lesson for you since you seem to want to convince everyone you are an expert.

PBA bargained for and got state LEO officers a step pay plan. The Florida legislature refused to fund that step pay plan using the excuse "we only agreed to give you a step pay plan we never agreed to fund it".

When the state agreed to a step pay plan you would assume that includes funding it, however the courts allowed the Florida legislature to get away with that. So we had to fight for pay raises even with the step pay plan.

IUPA made a huge mistake allowing Jeb Bush to remove the step pay plan, they should have fought tooth and nail to keep it and then continue fighting to fully fund it as that becomes a fixed cost at that point that future legislatures know about.

That's right sports fans we lost the step pay plan under IUPA when Jeb Bush was governor. Yes it was not funded each year like it should have been but we at least had one.

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Here is a little more history for you, we got pay raises under Governor Bob Graham and we got even better pay raises under Governor Bob Martinez, it was under Lawton Chiles when all the pay raises came to a screeching halt with state employees pretty much only getting a small pay raise at election time, then after the disaster named Lawton Chiles was out of office we got that other disaster named Jeb Bush who promised the sun, the moon and the stars only to be just like Lawton Chiles and only gave small pay raises mostly during election time.

Bob Martinez was the best governor for state employees as he took care of us, Bob Graham was not bad but not as good as Bob Martinez.

Lawton Chiles and Jeb Bush created the current environment all state employees are stuck in today with Lawton Chiles being the father/creator of it and Jeb Bush continued with the Lawton Chiles template.

Jeb Bush was a total disappointment while everyone expected Lawton Chiles to stab state employees in the back.

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One more thing I keep hearing that the FHP director can't lobby for pay raises for troopers, that is a completely false narrative, Ron Grimming when he was director lobbied hard for troopers to get them pay raises and in fact was able to expand CAD pay over to Lee and Collier counties when he was director.

That is why the Florida Legislature hated Ron Grimming, he would fight for the troopers. It ultimately cost Grimming his job as director but I will always back him for being a fighter for troopers.

The rest of FHP directors are nothing but a bunch of yes men doing what they are told without the balls to stand up for troopers.

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Retired about 5 years ago.

All Florida SO's are in the FRS, except for maybe Jacksonville SO (Jax has some sort of a combined municipal/FRS system --not sure exactly how it works). Anyway, county governments are sub-units of state government, which is why they are a part of the FRS system. Municipal governments may also join the FRS. but only a few have done so.

FHP troopers can transfer to any SO (except for Jax) and (1) not lose their time-accrued with FRS and (2) raise their retirement salary (because many SO's pay more than FHP). However, there are some SO's that pay very low, so you'll have to transfer to a higher-paying SO.

In the end, it's all about the money.

Thank you. I think we just proved that folks can have a decent conversation on this site!

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Clearly you hate the PBA, but I was with FHP when we lost the step pay plan and IUPA was the bargaining unit.

Also when PBA was voted out they had a 5% pay raise bargained for PBA members, but when IUPA was voted in the state had held off on signing off on that pay raise until after the PBA/IUPA election, when IUPA won the state sat down with IUPA and asked them what they wanted and IUPA told the state what ever you think is fair.

FHP members lost the 5% and got a much smaller raise, in the mean time all the other agencies that stayed with PBA got the 5% raise.

IUPA was a disaster for FHP, IUPA allowed different agencies to be the head of the unit and for a while FHP was at the mercy of FWC. The best thing to happen was when IUPA was voted out at the first chance.

Another group that only causes problems is FAST.

No not hate for PBA!!!! Just had my eyes forced opened by them.
I know you think in 2005 the step pay plan was lost by IUPA? You also said that it wasn't funded by the legislature yearly. That's only partially correct. When the step pay plan was first created it was funded yearly. Each and every year through the 1980s all state law enforcement usually got a cost of living raise of 2 to 3% on top of the step which meant a 7 to 8% raise every year, that continued until Chile's came into office. PBA agreed to a one year freeze of the step pay plan. After they made that deal the step pay plan never regained its yearly funding, meaning effectively the step pay plan was gone, no funding no step pay plan. PBA came out after that saying one legislature could not force pay issues to another legislature year.

The question i asked Ed (president of PBA) after he said this, then how all through the 1980s the step pay plan was funded year after year. I asked a follow up question after his bu×××hit answer, in 1992 why did the PBA have to sign off on the freeze if it wasn't funded yearly. Again, when PBA specifically Pat Santangilo agreed to the freeze it effectively killed the step pay plan!!!! We would not be in this fix with our pay today if PBA hadn't made that deal with the devil in 1992!!!
Look it up it's all out there. That's all I ask, don't take everything PBA tells you as gospel, like I use to do.

Take care brother and be safe out there!!