Include CPO's and CO's w/ Law Enforcment

Tell your legislator to include CPO's and CO's in the Additional Special Pay Issue Raise for State Law Enforcement. Use this link to find your legislator.
http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/Find. You will be able to email your legislator. Let them know FDOC Officers stand in unity with our fellow law enforcement officers in that we put ourselves in high risk situations to serve the public and should be able to earn a fair, adequate and dignified salary. If you have worked in the field, you have probably been in some dangerous situations. Tell them about it. Forget about Teamsters and PBA. Do it for us. We deserve it.

I have been in P&P for all of my career. I am currently a Specialist. Let us not forget that our brothers and sisters on the prison side lost several over the past couple of years. P&P arrest people every day, they are really no different than FDLE Agents other the our requirements are higher. To say that we are not Leo's is an insult to both sides of the fence. However, the real people to blame is our administration for not informing the public what we do.

Keep calling!! I spoke to my business agent who told me that ALL senators and representatives were made aware of the parity of pay issues for us and that DOC did not submit their parity of pay plan to the legislature as required when they submit their legislative budget request. Not only did they not submit their parity of pay plan as required per statute to the Speaker of the House and the Senate President but they have not been doing that every year! Per statute they are required to submit the parity of pay plan to ensure that we are paid adequately and fairly with that of other law enforcement officers in the state 944.023. So they had to give the legislators a full study and kept after DOC who took months to submit it! Crews is not on our side. I don't care how much he talks up caring about the officers. I was told that numerous senators and representatives are pushing the appropriations chairs to include CO's/CPO's in the special issue pay raise and the chairs are meeting now so to keep calling and tell them to do the right thing, be fair and include us. It's such Bullshit that Negron who headed the prison privatization scheme for 2 years is taking it out on us because he didn't get the prisons and probation privatized in south florida. I was told to keep calling and emailing probably thorough to Monday or Tuesday but the sooner the better. He did say it looks like good news on our pensions with the senate bill not being pulled out to vote on because they don't have enough votes to pass it and that the senate will NOT take up the house version.

Its on our bargaining agent the Teamsters to make sure things like this are in the initial budget just like it is on the PBA for their Officers. The Teamsters haven't done what they needed to for us. First of all they should have known that 7% raise bill for all employees had as much chance to pass as hell freezing over and they should have been pressing for this from the get go from Negron and them who control the budge.Those collective bargaining meetings aren't where you get raises - you get them in the budget. Also my guess is knowing the Teamsters is they didnt spend the dues money wisely where it would get us noticed if you know what I mean. At least the PBA faces reality and will pay to play with the people that actually have the power to give us extra. We will be in back of the line as long as the Teamsters remain. The same legislators will be in charge for the next 3 years or so minimum. Its pathetic for the Teamsters to imply the PBA is our problem because they have failed so far. They won't be getting any of my money with these results to push an agenda that isn't directly helping my work situation. People were fools to ever buy into their BS.

Tell your legislator to include CPO's and CO's in the Additional Special Pay Issue Raise for State Law Enforcement. Use this link to find your legislator.
http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/Find. You will be able to email your legislator. Let them know FDOC Officers stand in unity with our fellow law enforcement officers in that we put ourselves in high risk situations to serve the public and should be able to earn a fair, adequate and dignified salary. If you have worked in the field, you have probably been in some dangerous situations. Tell them about it. Forget about Teamsters and PBA. Do it for us. We deserve it.

All that matters now is Negron, McKeel, Gaetz and Weatherford as far as us getting the extra raises also. That should have been done when the Teamsters were still pushing that no chance 7% bill for all state employees. Their Agents and Lobbyists have no clue how FL politics work it appears.

Keep calling!! I spoke to my business agent who told me that ALL senators and representatives were made aware of the parity of pay issues for us and that DOC did not submit their parity of pay plan to the legislature as required when they submit their legislative budget request. Not only did they not submit their parity of pay plan as required per statute to the Speaker of the House and the Senate President but they have not been doing that every year! Per statute they are required to submit the parity of pay plan to ensure that we are paid adequately and fairly with that of other law enforcement officers in the state 944.023. So they had to give the legislators a full study and kept after DOC who took months to submit it! Crews is not on our side.

Are the Teamsters auditioning for the comedy channel now ? They first were almost implying the PBA was the cause of our raise problems this year even though they are not our bargaining reps and now they want to blame what is currently going on with raises on DOC and the Secretary ? Anyone but themselves I guess even though it is their job to get us extra in the budget when there are billions extra like this year - Blame it on Crews. You can't make this stuff up. :lol: :lol:

You are a moron and not out for the best interests of the officers. I was just updating everyone on the information I found out. The Teamsters did not go out and tell us all what DOC failed to do however I asked a lot of questions and found out that information. If you were not on a propaganda agenda and it is all about us and our mistreatment by the legislators now and in the past, doesn't it bother you that DOC was not doing what they are statutorily mandated to do--to notify the legislature about our parity of pay? We have a lot of obstacles already so if DOC is not doing a required report about our pay then who would not have a problem with that? You just passed that over and you are transparent that you are down on your knees praying that we don't get an equal raise. If PBA is acting in anyway like you are then it makes me feel that they are actively lobbying to make sure we DON'T get a raise. Hopefully you are not representative of PBA. Don't you think that ALL of us want to be sure that we are not short changed for ANYTHING big or small that puts the spot light on our low pay? As I also said, the agent stated that Negron and all the legislators were made aware of the parity of pay issues with us. Do you really think that Negron would have just given us the same raise if we were only with the PBA? You are a fool and just playing everyone in a way which is not productive. Corrections always gets screwed and WE ALL need to fight to stop it. Negron wrote in the proviso language to privatize prisons AND probation. Negron thinks that a private company can and should do our jobs so why would anyone believe that Negron would just give an equal raise to us who are expendable just because of our union. Get real and stop with the BS. We will never get our dues when we put loyalty to organizations above loyalty to our brothers and sisters. Did they pay you or something? Is that why you act the way you do and just miss your check? By the way, the senate has not pulled out the pension bill because they don't have enough votes for it to pass. PBA endorsed and supported this bill so I guess they will be disappointed. Maybe they are actively lobbying for more yes votes on it so it can go through. Oh and the same people will not be in charge for the next 3 or so years. The leadership and chairs will be in charge next year. In 2014 there are elections and a new Senate President and Speaker of the House who will then select new chairs but you know so much. STOP THE PROPAGANDA AND START STANDING WITH YOUR FELLOW OFFICERS!

Results matter or is that propoganda now to the Teamsters since they s suck in a year where billions extra is lying around and they dont get us any more than every state employee who aren't officers. 2 cent said it well.

" I want to see what this all mighty and powerful union that came to town and made all these false promises is going to do. They proposed a 7 % across the board pay raise for corrections with a 3 billion surplus and a national labor union behind us, why did we not get it? Why are the scrambling to get a "me too" pay raise for us? Why wasn't this thought through and handled already ????? With the force of 1.4 million members behind us we should be unstoppable??? I believe this is what I was told when they came to my institution. 2 cent "

They also said they are going to get OT pay for picking equipment up prior to shift when that was settled case law in FL to get votes. Their agents and higher ups play us for the fools we have shown to be so far. They need to be tossed with a quickness.

Now the joke Teamsters are trying to act like they have any say on any FRS bill. The Teamsters have nothing to do with what happens to that just like they have no influence when it comes to raises it appears. The only influence they have is nationally using dues on those issues while we get the same raise possibly as the state janitor gets with a surplus of nearly 3 billion dollars.

Which agencies DID notify the legislature of their parity of pay? Anyone know how Florida DOC ranks in pay compared to other corrections agencies? I personally know of several POs who applied for corrections jobs with the sherif's office for the pay increase. Sad.

7% not to pass should of known. Pba has 6% with extra 3% AND 8% with extra 5% for officers more than 5 years not far off of 7%. They just don't want to give it, and yes Teamster have no pull, only on your pay check to those that pay.

while we get the same raise possibly as the state janitor

:lol: :lol: :lol:

If we don't mandate our employees to carry guns how would we ever be considered Leo's will not happen if you want the bennies go being a Leo then leave this job is for non Leo's that can be a Leo and wants to be a wanatabee at best or a social worker with a tiny Cracker Jack badge

COs at County Jails make what their road couterparts do if they are county employees. We got screwed by having the Teamsters plain and simple.

[John Augustus]

CO's and CPO's are not law enforcement officers. CO's are more like glorified security guards; and CPO's are merely a cross between a security guard and a social worker.

Wow I would love to know who this coward is. You give all PO's a bad name.

COs at County Jails make what their road couterparts do if they are county employees. We got screwed by having the Teamsters plain and simple.
Been that way since 1995....It is why they all leave for the counties and etc...
:snicker:

948.06 FS
Whenever within the period of probation or community control there are reasonable grounds to believe that a probationer or offender in community control has violated his or her probation or community control in a material respect, any law enforcement officer who is aware of the probationary or community control status of the probationer or offender in community control or any parole or probation supervisor may arrest or request any county or municipal law enforcement officer to arrest such probationer or offender without warrant wherever found and return him or her to the court granting such probation or community control.

Since when did social workers and security guards make arrests? They refer to us as probation/parole supervisors but only to point out that either we or any law enforcement officer; sheriffs, cops, agents, etc can make the arrest. Social workers and security guards dont make arrests John A.

CO's and CPO's are not law enforcement officers. CO's are more like glorified security guards; and CPO's are merely a cross between a security guard and a social worker.

Are you even a CO or CPO or are you an offender trolling ? :wink:

CO's and CPO's are not law enforcement officers. CO's are more like glorified security guards; and CPO's are merely a cross between a security guard and a social worker.

Augustine is some old retired, fat guy who's blood type is Ragu. When he steps on the scale it reads, "to be continued." :lol: :lol: :lol:

[John Augustus]

948.06 FS
Whenever within the period of probation or community control there are reasonable grounds to believe that a probationer or offender in community control has violated his or her probation or community control in a material respect, any law enforcement officer who is aware of the probationary or community control status of the probationer or offender in community control or any parole or probation supervisor may arrest or request any county or municipal law enforcement officer to arrest such probationer or offender without warrant wherever found and return him or her to the court granting such probation or community control.

Since when did social workers and security guards make arrests? They refer to us as probation/parole supervisors but only to point out that either we or any law enforcement officer; sheriffs, cops, agents, etc can make the arrest. Social workers and security guards dont make arrests John A.

Neither do PO's. They call real LEO's to come do it for them. When was the last time you physically detained and handcuffed an offender without the assistance of a LEO?

[John Augustus]

CO's and CPO's are not law enforcement officers. CO's are more like glorified security guards; and CPO's are merely a cross between a security guard and a social worker.

Augustine is some old retired, fat guy who's blood type is Ragu. When he steps on the scale it reads, "to be continued." :lol: :lol: :lol:

I can see your education at Bethune Cookman College has served you well!

[quote="Colonel W E Kurtz":315nsd92]948.06 FS
Whenever within the period of probation or community control there are reasonable grounds to believe that a probationer or offender in community control has violated his or her probation or community control in a material respect, any law enforcement officer who is aware of the probationary or community control status of the probationer or offender in community control or any parole or probation supervisor may arrest or request any county or municipal law enforcement officer to arrest such probationer or offender without warrant wherever found and return him or her to the court granting such probation or community control.

Since when did social workers and security guards make arrests? They refer to us as probation/parole supervisors but only to point out that either we or any law enforcement officer; sheriffs, cops, agents, etc can make the arrest. Social workers and security guards dont make arrests John A.[/quote:315nsd92]

Neither do PO's. They call real LEO's to come do it for them. When was the last time you physically detained and handcuffed an offender without the assistance of a LEO?[/quote

What the hell office do you work in. We detain and arrest at least 3 per week.

Pasco County has even been successful at filing new charges on a probation case. Please Mr. Augustine, come to New Port Richey and we shall show you how real probation and parole is done.

[John Augustus]

[quote="Colonel W E Kurtz":1nkh1mh3]948.06 FS
Whenever within the period of probation or community control there are reasonable grounds to believe that a probationer or offender in community control has violated his or her probation or community control in a material respect, any law enforcement officer who is aware of the probationary or community control status of the probationer or offender in community control or any parole or probation supervisor may arrest or request any county or municipal law enforcement officer to arrest such probationer or offender without warrant wherever found and return him or her to the court granting such probation or community control.

Since when did social workers and security guards make arrests? They refer to us as probation/parole supervisors but only to point out that either we or any law enforcement officer; sheriffs, cops, agents, etc can make the arrest. Social workers and security guards dont make arrests John A.

Neither do PO's. They call real LEO's to come do it for them. When was the last time you physically detained and handcuffed an offender without the assistance of a LEO?[/quote

What the hell office do you work in. We detain and arrest at least 3 per week.[/quote:1nkh1mh3]

Yeah, but you call a Sherriff's deputy to come in and do it for you (usually you make the offender wait in the lobby, or you stall them in your office until the deputy arrives).

[John Augustus]

Pasco County has even been successful at filing new charges on a probation case. Please Mr. Augustine, come to New Port Richey and we shall show you how real probation and parole is done.

I guess you won't be there when I arrive then.

[quote="John Augustus":27y6cp17][quote="Colonel W E Kurtz":27y6cp17]948.06 FS
Whenever within the period of probation or community control there are reasonable grounds to believe that a probationer or offender in community control has violated his or her probation or community control in a material respect, any law enforcement officer who is aware of the probationary or community control status of the probationer or offender in community control or any parole or probation supervisor may arrest or request any county or municipal law enforcement officer to arrest such probationer or offender without warrant wherever found and return him or her to the court granting such probation or community control.

Since when did social workers and security guards make arrests? They refer to us as probation/parole supervisors but only to point out that either we or any law enforcement officer; sheriffs, cops, agents, etc can make the arrest. Social workers and security guards dont make arrests John A.

Neither do PO's. They call real LEO's to come do it for them. When was the last time you physically detained and handcuffed an offender without the assistance of a LEO?[/quote

What the hell office do you work in. We detain and arrest at least 3 per week.[/quote:27y6cp17]

Yeah, but you call a Sherriff's deputy to come in and do it for you (usually you make the offender wait in the lobby, or you stall them in your office until the deputy arrives).[/quote:27y6cp17]

As stated previously, what office do you work in. We arrest on the spot. We wait for no one. Pasco transports for us. If you let someone go with a warrant, you can be charged with a crime. Just ask Citrus what they went through.

Pasco County has even been successful at filing new charges on a probation case. Please Mr. Augustine, come to New Port Richey and we shall show you how real probation and parole is done.


New charges for what?

[quote="John Augustus":2qb74d8n][quote="Colonel W E Kurtz":2qb74d8n]948.06 FS
Whenever within the period of probation or community control there are reasonable grounds to believe that a probationer or offender in community control has violated his or her probation or community control in a material respect, any law enforcement officer who is aware of the probationary or community control status of the probationer or offender in community control or any parole or probation supervisor may arrest or request any county or municipal law enforcement officer to arrest such probationer or offender without warrant wherever found and return him or her to the court granting such probation or community control.

Since when did social workers and security guards make arrests? They refer to us as probation/parole supervisors but only to point out that either we or any law enforcement officer; sheriffs, cops, agents, etc can make the arrest. Social workers and security guards dont make arrests John A.

Neither do PO's. They call real LEO's to come do it for them. When was the last time you physically detained and handcuffed an offender without the assistance of a LEO?[/quote

What the hell office do you work in. We detain and arrest at least 3 per week.

Yeah, but you call a Sherriff's deputy to come in and do it for you (usually you make the offender wait in the lobby, or you stall them in your office until the deputy arrives).[/quote:2qb74d8n]

As stated previously, what office do you work in. We arrest on the spot. We wait for no one. Pasco transports for us. If you let someone go with a warrant, you can be charged with a crime. Just ask Citrus what they went through.[/quote:2qb74d8n]

You mean the lady where the other state never did check up on properly. We dont have to FCIC/NCIC everyone who reports to the office. Many people have done crazy things just after LEO contact acting a little funny. DOC was actually smart like LEO finally not trying to blame the staff and instaed blaming offenders for their actions.

Pasco County has even been successful at filing new charges on a probation case. Please Mr. Augustine, come to New Port Richey and we shall show you how real probation and parole is done.


New charges for what?

Probably for tampering with a drug test by wearing a whizzinator. Some officers like to look very very close I hear. :snicker:

Pasco County has even been successful at filing new charges on a probation case. Please Mr. Augustine, come to New Port Richey and we shall show you how real probation and parole is done.


New charges for what?

Usually they are just small things. April- searched an offenders pockets due to him having an active warrant for VOP. Police were not present yet. In his pockets were multiple packets of what later turned out to be Methamphetamine. We charged him with a new charge of Possession of a controlled substance. Yes, we charge MM's for Whizinators, Batt leo, just to name a few. They were all prosecuted with VOP's and new charges filed by Probation and Parole. This is not new, it all started when we had a "real CA" named Greg Diebeck who said lets try it and see how it goes. We have never lost since. There are at least 7 Officers that have been successful at doing this. Yes all in New Port Richey.

You can whine and cry because you come from a pathetic office that makes all of us look bad or you can learn from 062 and try to practice real public saftey. The difference, we al are on the same team with the same philosophy . Offenders have already been given 1 chance just by being on probation. Cross the line back to the criminal ways and we will come and get you our self. Just step into our office and there will be no mistake who you are among-st, Law Enforcement Officers!

Pasco County has even been successful at filing new charges on a probation case. Please Mr. Augustine, come to New Port Richey and we shall show you how real probation and parole is done.


New charges for what?

Usually they are just small things. April- searched an offenders pockets due to him having an active warrant for VOP. Police were not present yet. In his pockets were multiple packets of what later turned out to be Methamphetamine. We charged him with a new charge of Possession of a controlled substance. Yes, we charge MM's for Whizinators, Batt leo, just to name a few. They were all prosecuted with VOP's and new charges filed by Probation and Parole. This is not new, it all started when we had a "real CA" named Greg Diebeck who said lets try it and see how it goes. We have never lost since. There are at least 7 Officers that have been successful at doing this. Yes all in New Port Richey.

You can whine and cry because you come from a pathetic office that makes all of us look bad or you can learn from 062 and try to practice real public saftey. The difference, we al are on the same team with the same philosophy . Offenders have already been given 1 chance just by being on probation. Cross the line back to the criminal ways and we will come and get you our self. Just step into our office and there will be no mistake who you are among-st, Law Enforcement Officers!

The office of Re-entry would beg to differ.

Pasco County has even been successful at filing new charges on a probation case. Please Mr. Augustine, come to New Port Richey and we shall show you how real probation and parole is done.


New charges for what?

Usually they are just small things. April- searched an offenders pockets due to him having an active warrant for VOP. Police were not present yet. In his pockets were multiple packets of what later turned out to be Methamphetamine. We charged him with a new charge of Possession of a controlled substance. Yes, we charge MM's for Whizinators, Batt leo, just to name a few. They were all prosecuted with VOP's and new charges filed by Probation and Parole. This is not new, it all started when we had a "real CA" named Greg Diebeck who said lets try it and see how it goes. We have never lost since. There are at least 7 Officers that have been successful at doing this. Yes all in New Port Richey.

You can whine and cry because you come from a pathetic office that makes all of us look bad or you can learn from 062 and try to practice real public saftey. The difference, we al are on the same team with the same philosophy . Offenders have already been given 1 chance just by being on probation. Cross the line back to the criminal ways and we will come and get you our self. Just step into our office and there will be no mistake who you are among-st, Law Enforcement Officers!

Sounds like you are excellent at enforcement. Are you also good at using proven supervision strategies in order to reduce recidivism and lower technical violations? Are you proud to be a probation officer? Aside from DOC, are you proud to be in the profession of a probation officer? I ask sincerely.

I am certainly not against re-entry. However, I think that it is best practiced in prison where you have 24 7 control. If you think we are here to counsel the offender, this job has passed you. Most Officer's I know have degrees in Criminal Justice or Criminology and have gone through a LEO academy. If you have over 25 years in, you have not and you were probably hired as a Social Worker. I do not work for the offender, I work for the Tax Payers in this State. I think for the most part citizens of Florida want to know they are safe. They want to know if we are doing everything we can to assure offenders do not commit more crimes. I really dont think they care if we give them food baskets, clothes for job interviews, waive their COS or give them kind words of encouragement. I think citizens want to know we are enforcing the conditions of supervision. According to DOC 54% of offenders successfully complete probation. That's with them discouraging us from locking them up when they violate. Truthfully, 65 to 75% dont make it, and rightfully so. Most want to continue to steal, deal drugs, use drugs, molest children or rape. Just read some of the Polygraphs that sex offenders take. Re-entry statistics are slanted and are in place to obtain grants. Probably 20% of cases want to do well, and they are going to do it with or without probation, we will never deal with them again. Why do you think The Pasco County Sheriff's wants to take over Probation and Parole duties--because it should be a leo function. Let me end with this. I do enjoy Probation and Parole. However we are drifting far away from what the job should be, and that gets people hurt. We should be the threat in an offenders life. Instead DOC wants us to be a friend or confidant.

[John Augustus]

I heard a rumor (this is not confirmed yet) that DCF is going to take over the administration of the Community Corrections (P&P) side of DOC. If true, this just furthers the argument that CPO's are not real LEO's.

I hope it"s not just a rumor. I am currently on the CO side of the DOC, but I have a lot of friends working in P&P. it's a mess. Thank goodness it"s DCF. They are well run, well funded, and well organized. I know a couple of people who work there and they love it. I was hoping P&P would be privatized, but if not, then DCF is the right choice.

I hope it"s not just a rumor. I am currently on the CO side of the DOC, but I have a lot of friends working in P&P. it's a mess. Thank goodness it"s DCF. They are well run, well funded, and well organized. I know a couple of people who work there and they love it. I was hoping P&P would be privatized, but if not, then DCF is the right choice.


The reason why it's a mess b'cause the top dogs don't know what they are doing.

Some of them never served as a probation Officer, therefore they don't know the nature of the job. They were appointed & learned the job as they go by/come up w/some stupid decisions/policies to justify their positions...... I absolutely agree w/you, it's a complete mess

I heard a rumor (this is not confirmed yet) that DCF is going to take over the administration of the Community Corrections (P&P) side of DOC. If true, this just furthers the argument that CPO's are not real LEO's.

I heard a rumor that you tip the scales at 300 lbs and haven't seen your shoes since you were 11 years old. Your so fat you need a watch on both arms because you cover two time zones :lol: :lol: :lol:

[John Augustus]

I heard a rumor (this is not confirmed yet) that DCF is going to take over the administration of the Community Corrections (P&P) side of DOC. If true, this just furthers the argument that CPO's are not real LEO's.

I heard a rumor that you tip the scales at 300 lbs and haven't seen your shoes since you were 11 years old. Your so fat you need a watch on both arms because you cover two time zones :lol: :lol: :lol:

And you're so stupid, you think "A Farewell to Arms" is a radical weight-loss program.