Well Being Check?

How do you handle a well-being call?

FIRST CHOICE - Maybe, are you okay sir? Are you thinking of hurting yorself or killing yourself? Please call your family, they haven't been able to get ahold of you and are worried. Thank you, sir. OR.....

SECOND CHOICE - Demand that the subject of the well being check come out of his home and talk to you, that he show his hands, then grab him by the neck, jerk him out of his own house, slam him against the outside wall, slightly injuring his shoulder, handcuff him, refuse to provide medical treatment when he requests it, then conduct a possibly illegal search of his residence?

Which would you choose? If you answered the first choice, you would be right. If you chose the second scenario, you would be wrong. Choosing the second scenario would probably make you the star of an investigation, an IA, and disciplinary action. Am I right?

But wait! The Chief's choice for Leuitenant, the fast rising Lt. Loughnan was faced with that very choice on Monday night. Which choice did our illustrious Lt. make? Yup, you win the prize if you said he picked the second choice. Lt. Laughnan grabbed a subject they were checking on by the back of the neck and "redirected" him against the wall after pulling him out of his own house. Then he was cuffed. No charges, no resistance, no threat. His "crime"? He refused to come outside to talk with the police. Read the report, you'll see.

Everyone needs to pay close attention over the next few weeks to see what, if any disciplinary action is taken against Lt. Laughnan for the horrendous and illegal decisions decisions he made. We also need to pay close attention to see if Chief Graham changes the policy, again, to benefit his buddy.

Should be very interesting, shouldn't it?

Graham has the ability to violate the constitution, not to change it. No policy change would make what you said happened legal.

Graham has the ability to violate the constitution, not to change it. No policy change would make what you said happened legal.


This guy SG's EGO is out of control. Maybe he should take a trip to Tampa and speak to the Doc, I am worried about his fitness for duty. While on the way there he needs to stop by and pick up JJ the whack job. So far CB seems to be the real deal, keep hearing that he is an FDLE plant.....whatever the case he needs to be promoted to Chief!!!! pretty sad he has more respect from the ranks then the other two......

Check out the story of your so called new Lt. Loughnan where he used excessive force in shooting a black woman. This woman was awarded 5 million dollars from the City of Boynton Beach. Looks like Graham made another cover up for Loughnan. Im telling you take a look at Loughnan's criminal record you wont believe it. Media will be all over this one. Hold on to your britches when a certain attorney comes walking into CPD here shortly. Asta La Vista corrupt Graham and corrupt JJ.

Check out the story of your so called new Lt. Loughnan where he used excessive force in shooting a black woman. This woman was awarded 5 million dollars from the City of Boynton Beach. Looks like Graham made another cover up for Loughnan. Im telling you take a look at Loughnan's criminal record you wont believe it. Media will be all over this one. Hold on to your britches when a certain attorney comes walking into CPD here shortly. Asta La Vista corrupt Graham and corrupt JJ.


You can't argue with a crazy person. You are a prime example of that. Why Graham, JJ and Loughnan don't sue Leo Affairs (getting your IP address) then sue the hell out of you is beyond me. There are so many good people at that department yet a spineless coward like you gets brave behind a computer spreads garbage. Clermont Police Department is growing and improving day by day. The department will continue doing so dispite insipient individuals like yourself......

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-11th-circuit/1300999.html

Who needs help now? Maybe the individuals who live in the delusional shadow of JJ, SG, & MM.

FYI, one can only sue when an individual says something that isn't true. Contrary to your values, there is nothing wrong with the truth.

I took the time to read the website you provided then continued to conduct some additional reasearch.

If you reasearch further it states the final Federal Court decision ruled in favor of (both) officers. It further states the officer(s) were NOT found LIABLE for any wrong doing. They were covered under "Qualified Immunity".

The female suspect was CONVICTED of ATTEMPTED MURDER of a POLICE OFFICER and AGGRAVATED BATTERY of a POLICE OFFICER. She was ordered to repay all court cost and attorney fees.....You see you can't just read one website. You must read and research a case from start to FINISH in order to obtain accurate information.
*You shouldn't omit important information when you make sladerous comments.

Having that been said... What kind of person questions two police officers who saved a third police officers life in a violent confrontation? Just like the well fare check you are refering to. The difference between suicide and homicide is the direction where the weapon is pointed. I guess you have never heard of "Suicide by cop" The individuals own mother reported he had a gun. (Again you shouldn't omit important information when you make sladerous comments).
After what I have read apparently there is NO REASON for Graham to "cover up" because the Federal Court clear ALL OFFICERS = (plural).
Oh wait, let me guess. The ever powerful corrupt Chief Graham has also corrupted the Federal Court too right? You say Loughnan has a "criminal record" but Graham must have infiltrated FDLE as well and burned the files therefore, they have no knowledge of the evil that lerks within. Hhmmm if he were that powerful do you think he would be working in Clermont? IT MUST BE JUST HIS COVER. Ops I almost forgot JJ is corrupt as well. I guess every evil doer needs a secret operative.

Purposeful omission of infomation in an effort to hurt ones reputation is SLANDER. Do you really think you are the only one with an attorney? Seriously?????

First, there were only 2 officers, the 2 that the city paid out 5 million for. Qualified immunity means that they weren't found civilly liable. :roll:
If the officers did NOTHING wrong then the city wouldn't have paid out 5 mil. and omission? What's omission when you provide the link you moron? Oh, and it's a 50 /50 whether or not your buddy said to the black female, "if I could, I'd shoot your ass again"
yawn...

What part of "the officers were cleared of any wrong doing" are you having trouble with? That department did not pay 5 mil because it was OVER TURNED. Therefore, if the officer(s) were cleared of any wrong doing vicarious liability does not impact the agency resulting in (no pay out). In cases such as these it usually takes more than just one court hearing so one little website isn't going to cut it... continue you search. I can count because if you continue to reasearch you will discover there was a 3rd officer (a K9 Officer) the one that was saved.

Based on your postings it sounds like you don't have enough law enforcment training to make such misinformed comments.

As for your comment "your buddy" you are assuming you know my ID. I don't think he would bother he doesn't strike me as a computer guy. There are so many good people in the department why should we continue to stand by and take your garbage. Your lies should be EXPOSED.

Just like when you enter an abandond building and turn on a light... THE ROACHES ARE EXPOSED AND THEY RUN.......You should be sprayed with RAID.

You are just an miserable pathetic person.
I've proved my point, I will not continue on the subject matter..

I don't even know why I waste my time arguing with the likes of you. You can't argue with stupid. Maybe you should do more research and pull out a dictionary while you're at it. Anyway you slice it, the city of Boynton Beach paid out 5 million dollars to the defendant who was shot 8 times by 2 officers, one of which our very own Lt. Loughnan.

http://openjurist.org/261/f3d/1178/bett ... an-buecler (http://openjurist.org/261/f3d/1178/betty-willingham-v-james-loughnan-brian-buecler)

Because we have concluded that the Officer Defendants are entitled to the defense of qualified immunity, it is unnecessary for us to reach the question of remittitur. For the Officer Defendants, the district court's judgment is REVERSED. For the City, the district court's judgment is AFFIRMED.

REVERSED IN PART and AFFIRMED IN PART.

``These people had this happen to them because they were black,`` attorney Pat Fogarty, Willingham`s co-counsel, said. ``The thing that strikes me is we sit around and say what horrible things are happening in South Africa, and we`re shooting our own citizens.``

The cause of the shooting, Willingham`s attorneys say, was a police decision to pull over Sims on a traffic stop without reasonable cause. He refused interrogation and drove to the home he shared with his sister.

An attack dog was unleashed, and Sims was injured. Hearing the struggle, police say, Willingham came out of the home with a knife and lunged in the direction of an officer. She was shot seven or eight times. Medical evidence on the number of bullets that hit her is inconclusive.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1990-0 ... olice-suit (http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1990-04-13/news/9001020695_1_police-officers-boynton-beach-police-suit)

As for needing help, any individual with or without sound mind needs help after working for CPD. Now go back to doing what you do best, although it must not be too good, you didn't get the promotion. :snicker:

I have followed Lt. Loughnan's career all of my life. I am his sister. He is by far the smartest and most compassionate officer I have ever had the pleasure to be associated with. It sounds to me like the dirt and mud slinging is the result of a small man (or woman) who feels cheated out of a promotion. If my brother tested for and got Lt. it is because he is experienced and intelligent. The dragging of a fellow officer through the dirt is not at all acceptable. My brother suffered through the many years of court in the shooting of that woman. It was an incident that never sat well with him and from which the judges exonerated him. He should instead have been given an award for saving a fellow officers life. The one thing that this "mud slinger" can hope for is, if he is so lucky to be partnered with Lt. Loughnan, that Lt. Loughnan will always have his back. Cut it out and get back to work with a new attitude for your brothers in blue. You have to much to worry about on the streets then to have to worry the "mud slingers" among you.
Dawn Peel
Arizona

U got class D. Peel. RU a Ofc. 2? I'd go thru the door w/ur brother anytime.

I like icecream. It taste good. My favorie is choclate icecream. Sometimes I like milkshakes too. Does anyone else like icream? What is your favorite kind of icecream?
Who farted? Does anyone else smell that? Maybe its a fart or just more BS from leo affairs message board. Or it could be the six or eight piles remaining at CPD. Probably both. Hey I have an idea, lets put all of you on the same shift. Oh yeah we already did that. BOY WAS THAT ENTERTAINING. Lets bring the goof troop back.

Was Loughnan depressed. I cant call him LT because he is not even a cop. Did he go and receive counseling? Did he receive a fitness for duty evaluation? Oh thats right, that is pimple face Grahams boy he doesnt have to do any of those things. Sister Dawn do us all a favor and SHUT YOUR BIG FAT MOUTH. You sound like a dumbass also. A JJ still doing those steroids?

This is Loughnan's Grandma and I was very good friends with that poor black woman that the SOB shot and now my husband is rich beyond his wildest dreams after he shacked up with that hussy. Boy, why don't you learn to shoot and do it right with the first bullet and not miss with 4. Back in my day I could have thrown better than that. Now where is that money from all the trucking companies you've ran in the ground?

Was Loughnan depressed. I cant call him LT because he is not even a cop. Did he go and receive counseling? Did he receive a fitness for duty evaluation? Oh thats right, that is pimple face Grahams boy he doesnt have to do any of those things. Sister Dawn do us all a favor and SHUT YOUR BIG FAT MOUTH. You sound like a dumbass also. A JJ still doing those steroids?

What rank was Graham @ that time @BB? Did he have the 'power' 2 'cover up'. RU gonna blame Graham for the Kennedy assassination 2?

Dude its bad enough you are attacking cops but 2 say that 2 a LEOs sister? Man!
Everyone knows no matter what happens... a persons family is off limits. Whats wrong w/u?

If u r a Leo u may want to go to the Employee Assistance Program or use the health insurance 2get some help. Not everyone can get along thats life. Im sorry 2 say this but do N what U R doing is not normal. Y dnt U give Leo Affairs a break & relax. Think bout what i said bout getting help. im sorry U R feeling so angry. Maybe if u talk 2 someone u might feel better.

Mr. Wellbeing check. It appears that you are a ***** and a coward and hide behind your little keyboard. Why don't you grow a set and say all you BS to the person you are talking down to, IN PERSON? Don't have the nerve do that DO YOU? You faggot.

You cant go to EAP if you're not an employee.

I feel sorrow for you. You definately need help and you are lower than a snake. You spew venom because you know you can't get caught. Even rattle snakes give their prey warning. I must've gotten to you to have you yell to me to shut my big fat mouth like that. So you are not so fond of woman either? I can just tell that you are a lonely, angry, fat old cop that has nothing left in this world but his computer. I bet if we find out who you are we will probably find child pornography on your computer too! Oh well my job is done here now! I can't wait to read what you post next, because the more venom you spew we are that much closer to finding out who you are. Oh, no wait! We already know who you are. You are the yellow belly that is hiding behind his keyboard!

You guys need to grow up and take pride on your law enforcemnt career. If you are still working here, please take pride and make it better for the rest of us. We cannot change others, but we can change ourselves. If you do not work forClermont find another site where you can type all day and be happy.

Let the Lord Bless you all and your love ones. Together we could make a
difference.

"Deez Nutz" - your user name tells us all what we are really dealing with here....I pray that you are not a active Police Officer.
You seem bitter like one would be who didn't get the LT position, or maybe you were fired - who knows but what you have shown everybody is that the right man is in the position of LT and it is not you. Have some pride. I hate to think that you are someone who was actually hired to Protect and Serve as a Officer of the Law. Your true colors are bleeding through your words - what a embarrassment you are. I see why you choose to hide behind a user ID such as "DeezNutz" - speaking of - you have none. "Character is easier kept than recovered' "
You notice the Sgt and LT aren't even responding to your immature postings - because "A man who is rowing the boat doesn't have time to rock it"

H.

The ones who want to see this agency grow and improve. The ones who appreciate new equipment, vehicles and training. The ones that know change is necessary because our city is growing. The ones that know the world as a whole is changing, the threats are increasing and are becoming more complex. We must keep up with and be prepared for these threats. The ones that know at some point we will have to depend on one another in a real life or death battle. The ones that know you may not always agree with one another and that the only thing that matters is the color of your uniform. Because when you need help you don't care what color,gender,or sexual orientation the person is. You are just relieved to hear the sirens and see the uniforms running to your aid.

Your not getting IT. Much like the majority here dont get Police work (that is why they are no longer employeed or on the sh list). They don't work at CPD anymore or never have. The few who do work for CPD and post here, you should already know they are POS and will never be there for you when it hits the fan anyway.

IceCream- For being the "family member" of a LEO, you seem a little jaded. When someone writes something positive on here, which is seldom, the correct response is not to put them down. Regardless of what the reality is, there is always hope that things will change. Change is afoot, but hopefully it won't be with the current regime. Regardless of the courts finding of liability on JL, the bottom line is the city paid out 5 million to that woman. The city did not shoot her, 2 officers did and by the city paying out money they are accepting liability and wrong doing. Those are the facts and they can't be changed. Hopefully your brother is thankful to the Lord above for not being held civilly liable and thus having to pay 500,000.00, which was the courts first ruling.
As for the color of the uniform, I'd have to disagree to that too. How many times are you off duty and see another officer with someone on the side of the road? Do you look? Do you critique his officer safety? Do you wonder if he's 10-08? Would you stop if he wasn't? I would hope the answer is yes to all of the above. Even critiquing can be done in a manner that is not condescending but helpful to you as an outsider looking in, that you might see something good or bad and act accordingly. How many times I've heard my fellow officers say that they look the other way or pretend they don't see there brother on the road. You know who you are, there's no sense in naming names. The bottom line is we ALL took the same oath, to serve and protect the citizens. If you work for SG and JJ then you are WRONG. The citizens pay your bills not the brass. Law enforcement use to be a proud brother en, sadly it has not been that way at CPD for a long time. That is unless you play the politics, eat the bs, and ask for more at the end of the day. I for one can say that I would stop and assist any LEO that I thought needed help and that includes my brothers and sisters at CPD. We are a family and there will be squabbles, but when it comes down to the thin blue line we shouldn't be looking to see who we can throw under the bus but who we can help to be a better officer. Every person deals with stress in their own way, who are you to judge? Unless you have walked in that man's shoes, you have NO right. Clean your own house!!
Next time you're in briefing, look to your left and right. Would you save that person's life? Would they save yours? If you answer no to either of those questions then you have some serious soul searching to do. Ultimately, the answer is not to dispose of that individual but to figure out how to get past the animosity that administration has so keenly instilled within the ranks. Every officer went through the same training, made personal sacrifices, endured fatigue and physical pain to get where we all stand today. No one individual is better than another and no one individual has the right to take away what someone has worked so hard for. You're not just getting rid of a "bad apple", you're destroying a family, a human. What gives any of you the right to do that?
If you're doing wrong to another person, your heart knows it and in the end you will answer to the almighty. For today, you answer to yourself, who you can't lie to, hopefully. If you rest easy with your actions then there's nothing more to be said.
Be brave, be safe, and look out for one another.

I don't believe I said anything negative about the positive posters. The negative ones dont really bother me either, they are the opinions of some. Arguing with stupidity is a problem like "deez nuts" aka: MS. The BS brought up from the past is a problem.
But a few question for you; SG should be firred but screw up officers shouldn't? You can judge officer involved shootings because of the many you have been in yourself or have been present firsthand for?
Do you even work at CPD, or are you just hearing what goes on?
Your obviously don't know or are an incompetent lawyer not to know that it only takes 51% in a civil case to win a judgement. 51%, sounds like a toss up to me.
I do however agree, it really does suck that some officers have to lose their jobs and I would not want to wish this on anyone. But this is life.

You must be really close to your brother, based on all the "inside" information you have. Or maybe you're not the "sister" from AZ that you claimed. One thing is for certain, you don't comprehend the English language or retain what you read. Not to be rude and not that I am really concerned either way. Point being, if you read what I wrote then you would know I didn't say SG should be fired, I'm obviously NOT an incompetent lawyer, and you are not getting "IT".
Stop judging others. That's not directed at you, but a generalized statement. AGAIN, unless you walk in a man's shoes you have no right to judge him. I did not "judge" your "brother", I merely stated the "FACTS". It's a novel concept that many at CPD don't get, basically along the same lines as the "TRUTH" which many at CPD think is a four letter word, the "h" is silent for some or it's a vile concept that would lead to their demise. That too being a fact.
If more individuals at CPD tended to their own houses, did their job, and stopped talking garbage about their fellow brothers / sisters a vast majority of the problems at CPD would be resolved. Lastly, if egos and personal agendas were put to rest, CPD would probably be a great department. However, that would require testicularectomies and in the more severe cases, or testicular challenged, a lobotomy.
I understand the weather in AZ is beautiful, why are you bothering with affairs that don't directly affect you anyway? That's a rhetorical question. I think it's safe to say this discussion is "over".

I don't believe I said anything negative about the positive posters. The negative ones dont really bother me either, they are the opinions of some. Arguing with stupidity is a problem like "deez nuts" aka: MS. The BS brought up from the past is a problem.
But a few question for you; SG should be firred but screw up officers shouldn't? You can judge officer involved shootings because of the many you have been in yourself or have been present firsthand for?
Do you even work at CPD, or are you just hearing what goes on?
Your obviously don't know or are an incompetent lawyer not to know that it only takes 51% in a civil case to win a judgement. 51%, sounds like a toss up to me.
I do however agree, it really does suck that some officers have to lose their jobs and I would not want to wish this on anyone. But this is life.

Hey guest,

I could be wrong but I think "Watchinout" was his siter responding to you not "Icecream". The sister in AZ is the only one who identified herself by putting down her name and state where she lives unless the rest of us cowards (MYSELF INCLUDED).

Didn't that case happen in the 80's over 20 years ago? If the officers were cleared by the Supreme Court why are you even commenting bout it? WHAT IF BBPD DID ACTUALLY PAY OUT ON A LAW SUIT why do you care? It wouldn't be the first time someone sued a city and won because the those in power FEARED the BACK LASH OF THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION. Didn't that case happen in the 80's? That's over 20 years ago! They were cleared by the Supreme Court right? It's funny that 20 years later you holding your own trail in the COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION via LEOAFFAIRS.

I don't understand your true purpose.

I am not in AZ. Did I post anywhere saying I lived in AZ? You are the one confussed. I am a different poster than the "sister" of JL. I do agree with a majority of your post but I think you tend to contradict yourself. I have the problem with the english language, really do you want to start proof reading posts on a message board. I think it would be better to proof read for accuracy rather than spelling and minor grammar in a place where it really has no relevance. State the facts then. Lets hear them. Where in that court case does it say JL is unfit to be a Police Officer in the state of FL? Is the sniper from Orlando unfit? Are the Deputies from OCSO unfit? They shot people and their agencies paid a settlement as well. Everyone of them are still employed or have moved on by their own will. We as Police Officers have a fraction of a second to make a decision while arrogant asses have all the time in the world to analyze our actions.
JL stop and take your time to analyze everything thing you do from now on because although the State of Florida says your good to go, some proud poster of LEO Affairs may show you and post the law suit later. I don't know but I don't really think he gives a flying FK what your so called "facts" are showing.
Let it go. You nor anyone else posting on this board were there. You are reading summarized recordings of a court case. Why not instead of posting on here, you go to JL and ask him yourself what happened.

Change is afoot, but hopefully it won't be with the current regime.
So if you weren't referring to SG, who is the current regime?

Ur-right...people should be brave enough to ask JL to his face.
But that won't happen.

I read on line... (go ahead and Google) there was shooting in 08/18/08 in BB. One of there officers was shot but lived. There are probably more I'm still looking. Sounds like a difficult place to police. Who are we to judge?

Could you work there?

There not going to look that up. Just like they are never going to go to the source and ask, what happened? BB is way more active as is any other South Florida agency. Does that make them better Officers, No. They have their screw ups as well.
You think CPD is the exception? Nope. Bring the GOOF TROOP back and lets see how many law suits pile up after a year.

They're not there

Correct they are, they're, there, their.... sometimes people type too fast.

Hey guest,

Didn't that case happen in the 80's over 20 years ago? If the officers were cleared by the Supreme Court why are you even commenting bout it? WHAT IF BBPD DID ACTUALLY PAY OUT ON A LAW SUIT why do you care?

I don't understand your true purpose.

No purpose. Regardless of whether it happened 20 years ago or Monday, the split second choices that any individual makes portrays a total picture of that individual. It's the totality of the evidence. As for the current regime, that too can be up for debate. Is it Mr. Saunders, SG, JJ, MM, JL, or even the new guy that just started. I think it's Wally he's been plotting this all along and finally his evil plan is coming to fruition.

A fellow officer wrote in about the possible wrong doings of a Lt., that Lt. seems to have a history of overly aggressive reactions in "split second" situations. PERIOD

Does that answer all of your mundane questions or would you like to know some other obvious fact?

No it doesn't answer any of my questions. What was overly aggressive? A caller advises someone has a gun and he is willing to commit harm to himself/herself. You are obviously one of the native retards to the city of Clermont who have not a clue. The difference between suicide and homicide is the direction of the firearm. So I guess in your professional law enforcement opinion JL should have just stood in the door way while the individual cocncealed one of their hands? Thats smart . Please back me up on all of my calls :oops: . Your either an idiot or just ignorant to the job some of us do. I say some because as much as you and a few others would like to think so, a majority on here don't even work for CPD or any other law enforcement agency. Seems your overly aggressive LT knows in law enforcement and few other professions it is better to be judged by 12 rather than carried by six.

You know the incident did happen 20 yrs. ago and maybe he has been debating in his mind the outcome of that day. I bet the debate would be far worse if the officer on the scene with him wasn't around to testify in that hearing.

In all your glorious research why dont you study other agency SOPs when dealing with a reported suicidal subject?

There is a history of over aggressiveness? Oh no how did CPD ever live the last year with that neanderthal JL walking through our halls. Shut up poosy, do the citizens a favor and go back to Labor Ready.

GOOF TROOP, BRING IT BACK!!!!

What you should be concerned about is why JL is even a cop. I thought cops convicted of domestic violence are not allowed to carry a gun, and he's a LT. That's some dangerous stuff.

Hi Billy,

If what you are saying is true that he has been convicted of domestic violence then it is your job to notify adminstration and FDLE??..

Just want to know, wouldn't that have shown up on his back ground check?

You may not like him but he is too much of a man to be a woman beater.

Next>>>>>

I have followed Lt. Loughnan's career all of my life. I am his sister. He is by far the smartest and most compassionate officer I have ever had the pleasure to be associated with. It sounds to me like the dirt and mud slinging is the result of a small man (or woman) who feels cheated out of a promotion. If my brother tested for and got Lt. it is because he is experienced and intelligent. The dragging of a fellow officer through the dirt is not at all acceptable. My brother suffered through the many years of court in the shooting of that woman. It was an incident that never sat well with him and from which the judges exonerated him. He should instead have been given an award for saving a fellow officers life. The one thing that this "mud slinger" can hope for is, if he is so lucky to be partnered with Lt. Loughnan, that Lt. Loughnan will always have his back. Cut it out and get back to work with a new attitude for your brothers in blue. You have to much to worry about on the streets then to have to worry the "mud slingers" among you.
Dawn Peel
Arizona


Dawn,

He lies to you.

He's scum, and he harms children.
End of story...

Dear Lt. Loughnan's Evil,

What's the matter your unemployment check isn't enough? So your DCF wife supporting the house like a real man?

Stop attacking the Lt. & just go get a job already we don't want you GET IT!!!!! You are a coward & a *****.....