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06-19-2010, 12:03 AM
Supreme Court Allows Search of Police Sergeant's City-Owned Pager
From The National Law Journal, June 18


In its first ruling on the privacy of workplace texting, the U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday said that a city audit of an employee's messages on a city-owned pager was a reasonable search under the Fourth Amendment.

The unanimous ruling in City of Ontario, California v. Quon (pdf) sidestepped whether police Sergeant Jeff Quon, the employee in the case, had a reasonable expectation of privacy in his text messages, some of which turned out to be private and sexually explicit.

But Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for a unanimous Court, said the city's search -- aimed at determining whether city employees in general needed a higher number of minutes on their pagers -- was reasonable under any view of the Fourth Amendment right to protection from unreasonable searches.

Even though the case involved a public workplace where the Fourth Amendment would be in full force, employment lawyers on Thursday said the ruling underscores the need for policies on privacy in private work settings as well.

"It's critically important to have very clear policies, to communicate them to employees, and to make searches no more intrusive than necessary," Mayer Brown partner John Nadolenco said.

Quon challenged the search, as did some of the people with whom he communicated. A jury in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California found that the search was done for work-related reasons and did not violate the Fourth Amendment. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reversed, finding that the search was unreasonable and too broad. The high court reversed the 9th Circuit.

Kennedy cautioned against deciding too quickly the level of privacy that new communications technologies deserve, noting that "rapid changes in the dynamics of communication and information transmission are evident not just in the technology itself but in what society accepts as proper behavior." Cellphone and text-message communications, he noted, "are so pervasive that some persons may consider them to be essential means or necessary instruments for self-expression, even self-identification." That would argue for high expectations of privacy, Kennedy said, but the fact that employers promulgate policies about private use of company-owned devices would dictate a lower level of privacy.

Although the Court was inconclusive on the extent of privacy rights involved, the ruling was full of references to privacy interests and the need for searches to be limited and work-related. "The search was motivated by a legitimate work-related purpose," Kennedy wrote, adding that "it was not excessive in scope."

Justice Antonin Scalia concurred in the result of the decision, but wrote separately to ridicule Kennedy for his "exaggerated" concern about assessing new modes of expression.

"Applying the Fourth Amendment to new technologies may sometimes be difficult, but when it is necessary to decide a case we have no choice," Scalia wrote. "The-times-they-are-a-changin' is a feeble excuse for disregard for duty."

But some lawyers applauded the Court's caution especially after the April 19 oral argument in the case, in which several justices showed their shortcomings in high-tech expertise. At one point, Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. asked what was the difference between an e-mail and a pager.

"It was very wise of the Court not to delve too deeply into a world of technology that they admitted at oral argument was a bit foreign to them," said Morgan, Lewis & Bockius partner Chris Parlo.

06-27-2010, 10:47 PM
Big freaking deal! It's dept. owned, so there is no expectancy of privacy.

06-29-2010, 02:43 PM
Big freaking deal! It's dept. owned, so there is no expectancy of privacy.

Ownership of an item does not dictate the existence or nonexistence of an expectation of privacy! The bathroom stall at a police station is department owned, but the agency couldn't put a hidden camera on the ceiling above it because there IS an expectation of privacy inside the stall.

06-29-2010, 06:42 PM
You might want to re-think the "big freekin deal" philosophy. If IA decides they want to search under administartive law they will search your home computers, pagers, text messages, cell phones and any other device they so choose.

You can exercise your right and refuse, but then you will be charged with insubordination and possibly fired.

06-30-2010, 02:09 AM
You might want to re-think the "big freekin deal" philosophy. If IA decides they want to search under administartive law they will search your home computers, pagers, text messages, cell phones and any other device they so choose.

You can exercise your right and refuse, but then you will be charged with insubordination and possibly fired.

"AGENCY OWNED" means it is AGENCY'S phone, not yours. They can do whatever they want with it... upgrade, downgrade, block functions or take it away completely. If your home computer is agency issued, then they can search it all they want.

Comparing this to a bathroom stall is like comparing apples to oranges.

06-30-2010, 11:32 PM
You can state all the reasons, comparisons & excuses you want, i work in IT so i know it all for a fact.
If it's a city, county or state owned electronic device, You Do Not Have Any Expectancy or RIGHT Of Privacy. That includes forms of electronic exchanges such as e-mails.

07-04-2010, 10:50 AM
How about a take home car?
Do u think an agency can lawfully plant a listening device n a vehicle to investigate administrative
Allegations?



You can state all the reasons, comparisons & excuses you want, i work in IT so i know it all for a fact.
If it's a city, county or state owned electronic device, You Do Not Have Any Expectancy or RIGHT Of Privacy. That includes forms of electronic exchanges such as e-mails.

Average Joe
07-04-2010, 02:40 PM
I dont think so.

Years ago car dealerships installed listen devices in the office cubicle's of their salesmen. Some even bugged the phones. Some fired salesmen sued and won and dealers were on notice to remove the devices.

I think this would follow the same logic.

GrammarPolice
07-12-2010, 03:26 PM
Comparing this to a bathroom stall is like comparing apples to oranges.

Apparently the point the guy was trying to make went right over your head. Others are implying the fact that the agency owned the equipment AUTOMATICALLY meant there was no right to privacy. Nothing could be further from the truth. A right to privacy is determined by a number of subjective and objective factors, so yes, the bathroom example given is very relevant.

07-13-2010, 12:24 PM
How about a take home car?
Do u think an agency can lawfully plant a listening device n a vehicle to investigate administrative
Allegations?

I'm really not sure about that, but my guess would be a yes. If they can get a warrant to wire tap an officer's cell phone because of an active internal investigation then i don't see why they couldn't put a mic in the vehicle.



[/quote]Apparently the point the guy was trying to make went right over your head. Others are implying the fact that the agency owned the equipment AUTOMATICALLY meant there was no right to privacy. Nothing could be further from the truth. A right to privacy is determined by a number of subjective and objective factors, so yes, the bathroom example given is very relevant.[/quote]

And apprently you're just a troll who doesn't know jacksh** about what you are talking about.

07-15-2010, 01:07 AM
you can't say i didn't tell you so.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38249297

Sysop
08-09-2010, 03:22 PM
How about this one...can a department record conversations on a private telephone line at your agency even if they have told you they are not recording the conversations? The answer may surprise you, but it is YES. Check it out:

http://www.leoaffairs.com/media/pressing_issues/can%20the%20department%20eavesdrop%20on%20personal %20calls.htm