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11-16-2009, 05:05 PM
Wow...great job PBC law enforcement! Extra special credit goes to PBSO!! For more comedy, read the comments below the PBP article.... :snicker:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/home-alarms-a-false-sense-of-security-59710.html

When the alarm company said it was sending sheriff's deputies to Randi Dorfman's house one night in February, she sat back, relaxed and waited.

They were coming as a precaution, after all. Her husband had tripped the alarm, then forgotten the verbal password when the company called.

The suburban Lake Worth couple waited 15 minutes for a patrol car to arrive. Then 20. Then a half-hour.

By the time Palm Beach County sheriff's deputies showed up at the door, a full hour had gone by. By then, the Dorfmans were in bed.

"We were asleep and the bell rings," she recalled. "They said there was an accident and that was why they were late."

The long wait made her wonder: What if a burglar had been in the house?

Each year, tens of thousands of Palm Beach County residents pay hundreds of dollars to companies that monitor their home and business alarms, ready to send police at the first sign of trouble.

But the sense of security they peddle can be illusory, a review by The Palm Beach Post found. Local police agencies, inundated by tens of thousands of false alarms a year, are far slower to respond to security alarm calls than active crimes.

The county's largest law enforcement agency, the sheriff's office, takes an average of 15.5 minutes to show up at the scene of activated security alarms, according to a Post analysis of more than a year and a half of dispatch records.

Three other large police departments surveyed — in West Palm Beach, Palm Beach Gardens and Boca Raton — respond more quickly but still take a combined average of nine minutes.

It can be a long time to wait if a burglar is in the house, and for thousands of Palm Beach County residents each year, the wait is far longer.

In the 20-month period surveyed, The Post found more than 5,000 cases when officers took more than a half-hour to respond to activated security alarms, the majority of them in unincorporated portions of the county patrolled by the sheriff's office.

Companies quiet on issue

The security alarm industry is aware of the wait times, which experts say are similar around the country. But you're not likely to hear about them from an alarm company salesman.

Boca Raton-based ADT Security Services, the nation's largest home alarm company, says it gives its customers no figures for expected response times and does not track them nationally or locally.

Broadview Security, formerly Brink's Home Security, says its salespeople stay mum on the issue since there is no way to know when an officer will arrive.

"We can't even say the police are responding," Broadview spokesman Dave Simon said. "An alarm signal coming to us is no indication that the police are coming to the house."

The sheriff's office's response time is quicker in the municipalities it patrols — averaging as little as seven or eight minutes in towns such as Lake Worth and Royal Palm Beach — but the waits in the unincorporated county are considerably higher. There, the typical delay is 18 minutes.

Alarm industry officials agree it's a long wait, especially when considering that alarm companies wait minutes to contact the home or business owner before dialing 911.

But experts say response times in Palm Beach County generally reflect estimated national averages — and maintain they are low enough to act as a deterrent to thieves.

Customers typically pay between $25 and $40 a month for monitoring companies to call police when their alarm is activated. An industry spokesman argued that just the threat that officers might respond more quickly than normal is enough to deter plenty of burglars.

"We accept there's a percentage they (local police) get to very fast and a percentage they don't get to fast at all," said Ron Walters, director of the Security Industry Alarm Coalition, a national industry group . "There's always the threat that they'll be there faster. There's no way for anybody to know how quickly they'll respond."

Sometimes, of course, cops do respond extraordinarily fast. The Post's analysis showed that 12.5 percent of the time, officers responded in less than four minutes.

But such cases are the exception.

Just as common are long waits like that of Paul Grewenig, who admits he had few expectations for his alarm system when he moved into a gated community west of Lake Worth.

Even so, he was surprised to find one day in April that sheriff's deputies took 45 minutes to respond to an alarm call at his house while he was out of town.

As in Dorfman's case, it was a false alarm — a malfunctioning motion sensor, he said.

But in his mind it underscored the long wait he would likely be up against if someone were to break in.

"Even 10, 15 minutes is a long time to wait if people rob your home," Grewenig said. "It's not really helping you if they're coming after 45 minutes."

Calls aren't top priorities

Although alarm monitoring companies aren't likely to tell their customers, getting to a security alarm call is rarely an officer's top priority.

In fact, dispatchers intentionally categorize alarm calls as lower-priority calls than most other crimes.

If someone calls 911 to report a break-in witnessed firsthand, for example, that call would be dispatched to a sheriff's deputy as a "priority 1" call, requesting a near-immediate response by the deputy.

When an alarm monitoring company calls 911 to report an activated alarm, however, that call is dubbed a "priority 3," and generally gets an immediate response only if a deputy does not have any priority 1 calls pending.

"Part of what comes into play is what else is going on in the county," said Tom Cunningham, section manager for the sheriff's office's communications division. "In general, high-priority incidents take precedent."

The major reason for the lower status is the staggering numbers of false alarms.

Industry officials say improved technology means fewer bad alarms, but as security systems grow more popular, local police are bombarded daily with bad calls.

In a 20-month period beginning in January 2008, the sheriff's office alone fielded more than 70,000 alarm calls, the vast majority of them false alarms.

The numbers are so high each year that the sheriff's office now requires alarm owners in the areas it patrols to register their systems and pay annual $25 permit fees for deputies to respond to alarms at their address.

Broadview Security, like most alarm monitoring companies, tries to contact the home or business owner before contacting police.

If the owner can somehow confirm that the house or office is being burglarized, Broadview's dispatchers can report it to police as a burglary in progress, prompting a quicker response time.

But far more common is for the call to be sent to 911 dispatchers as an alarm call, sending it toward the bottom of the department's priority heap.

"If there's three homicides in an area and 10 vehicles are going to them, you're not getting a response for two and a half hours," Simon said.

"The good thing," he said, "is that the burglar doesn't know that."

They do now!!! Ummm...Radio Shack scanners, anyone?? :devil:

11-16-2009, 05:20 PM
YOUR AGENCY SUCKS!

11-16-2009, 07:41 PM
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And you work for?

Our agency doesn't suck, the powers to be won't even let us go code to a burglary in progress because after all "its just a property crime". We have our problems but every agency does. A burglary alarm is meant to not let criminals linger inside, usually they get spooked when they hear it and run. That is very effective when you are away, do you want somone inside for hours or do you want them to break in then flee. Either way they are breaking in.
For Gods sake, you should be able to protect yourself and your family with out relieing on law enforcement. Even if we got there and saw them leaving in a car, theres nothing we could do any way because we don't chase for property crimes. We would be able to give you a case number. We are nothing but security guards, maybe a false sense of security thats it.

11-16-2009, 10:40 PM
THROW BRADSHAW OUT AND GET A POLICE EXECUTIVE IN THERE WHO CAN MANAGE HIS PERSONNEL AND REDUCE RESPONSE TIME THROUGH PROPER ZONE DISCIPLINE AND MOVEMENT OF PERSONNEL DURING A TYPICAL TOUR OF DUTY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS. OTHER AGENCIES DO NOT HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF TIME TO RESPOND. REAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS TAKE REAL PRIDE IN MINIMUM RESPONSE TIME. YOU NEVER SEE A PBSO GREEN/WHITE ALONE EVER. ALWAYS HUDDLED UP. ALWAYS LAUGHING AND ACTING COOL. STAY ON YOUR POST. ANSWER YOUR CALLS IMMEDIATELY - ALONE - AND GET THE REPORT COMPLETED. SERGEANTS, DO YOUR JOB....LISTEN TO THE RADIO. DIRECT YOUR PERSONNEL. DO NOT LET THEM MEET UP FOR A TWO-HOUR MEAL - FOUR TOGETHER WAY OFF THEIR POSTS. BE POLICE. EAT IN YOUR CAR...ALONE. WHEN A CALL COMES, THROW YOUR MEAL OUT THE WINDOW AND GO TO THE CALL. GET THERE QUICK BECAUSE THERE MAY BE ANOTHER CALL VERY, VERY SOON AND YOU WILL NEED TO BE CLEAR TO HANDLE IT...THEN ANOTHER...AND ANOTHER. GOTTA STAY MOVING AND CHASING FOR YOUR WORK TOUR. THEN GO HOME.

11-16-2009, 11:03 PM
: Home alarms: A false sense of security?
by MOVE FASTER on 11/16/09 18:40:59

THROW BRADSHAW OUT AND GET A POLICE EXECUTIVE IN THERE WHO CAN MANAGE HIS PERSONNEL AND REDUCE RESPONSE TIME THROUGH PROPER ZONE DISCIPLINE AND MOVEMENT OF PERSONNEL DURING A TYPICAL TOUR OF DUTY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS. OTHER AGENCIES DO NOT HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF TIME TO RESPOND. REAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS TAKE REAL PRIDE IN MINIMUM RESPONSE TIME. YOU NEVER SEE A PBSO GREEN/WHITE ALONE EVER. ALWAYS HUDDLED UP. ALWAYS LAUGHING AND ACTING COOL. STAY ON YOUR POST. ANSWER YOUR CALLS IMMEDIATELY - ALONE - AND GET THE REPORT COMPLETED. SERGEANTS, DO YOUR JOB....LISTEN TO THE RADIO. DIRECT YOUR PERSONNEL. DO NOT LET THEM MEET UP FOR A TWO-HOUR MEAL - FOUR TOGETHER WAY OFF THEIR POSTS. BE POLICE. EAT IN YOUR CAR...ALONE. WHEN A CALL COMES, THROW YOUR MEAL OUT THE WINDOW AND GO TO THE CALL. GET THERE QUICK BECAUSE THERE MAY BE ANOTHER CALL VERY, VERY SOON AND YOU WILL NEED TO BE CLEAR TO HANDLE IT...THEN ANOTHER...AND ANOTHER. GOTTA STAY MOVING AND CHASING FOR YOUR WORK TOUR. THEN GO HOME.
MOVE FASTER

We Rarely get time to eat, and for response time we do the best with what man Power we are given to work with. Theres no doubt your troubled, and need medication.

11-16-2009, 11:26 PM
YOUR AGENCY SUCKS!

And you work for?

Our agency doesn't suck, the powers to be won't even let us go code to a burglary in progress because after all "its just a property crime". We have our problems but every agency does. A burglary alarm is meant to not let criminals linger inside, usually they get spooked when they hear it and run. That is very effective when you are away, do you want somone inside for hours or do you want them to break in then flee. Either way they are breaking in.
For Gods sake, you should be able to protect yourself and your family with out relieing on law enforcement. Even if we got there and saw them leaving in a car, theres nothing we could do any way because we don't chase for property crimes. We would be able to give you a case number. We are nothing but security guards, maybe a false sense of security thats it.

IDIOT - YOU DON'T CODE TO A BURGLARY CALL, THE IDEA IS TO CATCH SOMEBODY WHICH I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND, IF THEY HEAR SIRENS COMING THEY WILL SURELY RUN AND YOUR OUT OF SHAPE FAT ASS AINT GONIG TO CATCH THEM!

11-16-2009, 11:27 PM
: Home alarms: A false sense of security?
by MOVE FASTER on 11/16/09 18:40:59

THROW BRADSHAW OUT AND GET A POLICE EXECUTIVE IN THERE WHO CAN MANAGE HIS PERSONNEL AND REDUCE RESPONSE TIME THROUGH PROPER ZONE DISCIPLINE AND MOVEMENT OF PERSONNEL DURING A TYPICAL TOUR OF DUTY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS. OTHER AGENCIES DO NOT HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF TIME TO RESPOND. REAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS TAKE REAL PRIDE IN MINIMUM RESPONSE TIME. YOU NEVER SEE A PBSO GREEN/WHITE ALONE EVER. ALWAYS HUDDLED UP. ALWAYS LAUGHING AND ACTING COOL. STAY ON YOUR POST. ANSWER YOUR CALLS IMMEDIATELY - ALONE - AND GET THE REPORT COMPLETED. SERGEANTS, DO YOUR JOB....LISTEN TO THE RADIO. DIRECT YOUR PERSONNEL. DO NOT LET THEM MEET UP FOR A TWO-HOUR MEAL - FOUR TOGETHER WAY OFF THEIR POSTS. BE POLICE. EAT IN YOUR CAR...ALONE. WHEN A CALL COMES, THROW YOUR MEAL OUT THE WINDOW AND GO TO THE CALL. GET THERE QUICK BECAUSE THERE MAY BE ANOTHER CALL VERY, VERY SOON AND YOU WILL NEED TO BE CLEAR TO HANDLE IT...THEN ANOTHER...AND ANOTHER. GOTTA STAY MOVING AND CHASING FOR YOUR WORK TOUR. THEN GO HOME.
MOVE FASTER

We Rarely get time to eat, and for response time we do the best with what man Power we are given to work with. Theres no doubt your troubled, and need medication.

I agree with above poster. Let's all become fire fighters. This way we can all play ping pong and video games. Oh watch television for 24 hours. It reminds me when I was a young child, my uncle and I drove past a fire station and watched from a re light fire fighters cooking out on their grill and playing volley ball. My uncle stated now that's the job to have in the future. Then about two miles down the road, my uncle noticed to police cars side by side in a parking lot and said look how lazy those officers are just sitting their taking a break. That comment burned me because I had the calling that I wanted to be police officer some day. This said, next time you need a police officer to come to your residence and chase an armed criminal from your house think about the danger we officer's face every day protecting the citizens of Palm Beach County. We place our life's on the line with out thinking twice about are safety or family.

PS Pat O'hara ur an idiot for writing this above statement!!!!!!!!!

11-16-2009, 11:32 PM
[quote="You nothing about this."]: Home alarms: A false sense of security?
by MOVE FASTER on 11/16/09 18:40:59

THROW BRADSHAW OUT AND GET A POLICE EXECUTIVE IN THERE WHO CAN MANAGE HIS PERSONNEL AND REDUCE RESPONSE TIME THROUGH PROPER ZONE DISCIPLINE AND MOVEMENT OF PERSONNEL DURING A TYPICAL TOUR OF DUTY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS. OTHER AGENCIES DO NOT HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF TIME TO RESPOND. REAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS TAKE REAL PRIDE IN MINIMUM RESPONSE TIME. YOU NEVER SEE A PBSO GREEN/WHITE ALONE EVER. ALWAYS HUDDLED UP. ALWAYS LAUGHING AND ACTING COOL. STAY ON YOUR POST. ANSWER YOUR CALLS IMMEDIATELY - ALONE - AND GET THE REPORT COMPLETED. SERGEANTS, DO YOUR JOB....LISTEN TO THE RADIO. DIRECT YOUR PERSONNEL. DO NOT LET THEM MEET UP FOR A TWO-HOUR MEAL - FOUR TOGETHER WAY OFF THEIR POSTS. BE POLICE. EAT IN YOUR CAR...ALONE. WHEN A CALL COMES, THROW YOUR MEAL OUT THE WINDOW AND GO TO THE CALL. GET THERE QUICK BECAUSE THERE MAY BE ANOTHER CALL VERY, VERY SOON AND YOU WILL NEED TO BE CLEAR TO HANDLE IT...THEN ANOTHER...AND ANOTHER. GOTTA STAY MOVING AND CHASING FOR YOUR WORK TOUR. THEN GO HOME.
MOVE FASTER

That's tellling them! It is the sorry ass road supervisors fault, not Bradshaw and the brass, hell their busy screwing secretaries or something more important than road calls. Your also right that the average deputy is afraid to go anywhere by themselves and all they want to do is look cool, go out to eat together and try to impress girls ahich again are Bradshaw his Majors, Colonel and Lt. Paula's job!

How about getting some of these sorry ass PBA reps running some calls instead of drumming up ways to get dirty cops off?

11-17-2009, 02:03 AM
Hey Palm Beach Post...I am curious...What else was going on in the Dorfman's jurisdiction when their alarm went off? Does the "average" 15.5 minute response time measured from when the alarm is tripped or from when it is dispatched to a patrolman? Have there been false alarms at the Dorfman's home in the recent past? How about Mr. and Mrs. Dorfman? She admits that neither her nor her husband could remember the pass code. Do you think that it's reasonable that when the Sheriff responds merely because the homeowner couldn't remember the pass code, that it result in an immediate fine, payable upon arrival? After all, it's not the alarm that tied up a deputy...it was her/his inability to remember their own code.

Thanks Dorfmans.

The Palm Beach Post...reporting some of the facts all of the time.

Great journalism!!

11-17-2009, 02:10 AM
THROW BRADSHAW OUT AND GET A POLICE EXECUTIVE IN THERE WHO CAN MANAGE HIS PERSONNEL AND REDUCE RESPONSE TIME THROUGH PROPER ZONE DISCIPLINE AND MOVEMENT OF PERSONNEL DURING A TYPICAL TOUR OF DUTY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS. OTHER AGENCIES DO NOT HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF TIME TO RESPOND. REAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS TAKE REAL PRIDE IN MINIMUM RESPONSE TIME. YOU NEVER SEE A PBSO GREEN/WHITE ALONE EVER. ALWAYS HUDDLED UP. ALWAYS LAUGHING AND ACTING COOL. STAY ON YOUR POST. ANSWER YOUR CALLS IMMEDIATELY - ALONE - AND GET THE REPORT COMPLETED. SERGEANTS, DO YOUR JOB....LISTEN TO THE RADIO. DIRECT YOUR PERSONNEL. DO NOT LET THEM MEET UP FOR A TWO-HOUR MEAL - FOUR TOGETHER WAY OFF THEIR POSTS. BE POLICE. EAT IN YOUR CAR...ALONE. WHEN A CALL COMES, THROW YOUR MEAL OUT THE WINDOW AND GO TO THE CALL. GET THERE QUICK BECAUSE THERE MAY BE ANOTHER CALL VERY, VERY SOON AND YOU WILL NEED TO BE CLEAR TO HANDLE IT...THEN ANOTHER...AND ANOTHER. GOTTA STAY MOVING AND CHASING FOR YOUR WORK TOUR. THEN GO HOME.

Ill make you a deal.

When we go back to 8 hour shifts, I'll hop to it.

But for now, since I spend about 12 hours in the front seat of that car, you can expect to see me taking a break, an extended lunch and socializing with my partners.

:devil:

11-17-2009, 05:29 AM
: Home alarms: A false sense of security?
by MOVE FASTER on 11/16/09 18:40:59

THROW BRADSHAW OUT AND GET A POLICE EXECUTIVE IN THERE WHO CAN MANAGE HIS PERSONNEL AND REDUCE RESPONSE TIME THROUGH PROPER ZONE DISCIPLINE AND MOVEMENT OF PERSONNEL DURING A TYPICAL TOUR OF DUTY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS. OTHER AGENCIES DO NOT HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF TIME TO RESPOND. REAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS TAKE REAL PRIDE IN MINIMUM RESPONSE TIME. YOU NEVER SEE A PBSO GREEN/WHITE ALONE EVER. ALWAYS HUDDLED UP. ALWAYS LAUGHING AND ACTING COOL. STAY ON YOUR POST. ANSWER YOUR CALLS IMMEDIATELY - ALONE - AND GET THE REPORT COMPLETED. SERGEANTS, DO YOUR JOB....LISTEN TO THE RADIO. DIRECT YOUR PERSONNEL. DO NOT LET THEM MEET UP FOR A TWO-HOUR MEAL - FOUR TOGETHER WAY OFF THEIR POSTS. BE POLICE. EAT IN YOUR CAR...ALONE. WHEN A CALL COMES, THROW YOUR MEAL OUT THE WINDOW AND GO TO THE CALL. GET THERE QUICK BECAUSE THERE MAY BE ANOTHER CALL VERY, VERY SOON AND YOU WILL NEED TO BE CLEAR TO HANDLE IT...THEN ANOTHER...AND ANOTHER. GOTTA STAY MOVING AND CHASING FOR YOUR WORK TOUR. THEN GO HOME.
MOVE FASTER.

Pat AAhara go F yourself.

11-17-2009, 09:33 PM
Is it me, or have SEVERAL POSTS been removed from this thread mysteriously??? :roll: Actually, I KNOW several posts were removed without ANY MENTION by the mod....anyone care to explain this?!?! :roll:

MOD 616
11-18-2009, 01:41 AM
No explanation needed, I told everyone from the onset that if a post violates the Terms of Use I will delete it. If they are way out of line I will recommend banning the author from the site. I am not going to debate nonsense with keyboard cowboys, play by the rules and feel free to discuss what concerns you. I will however give a poster much more latitude in certain situations if they post their real name. I will not however allow someone to come on here and commit a s/3 (slam)against an individual or this agency.

11-18-2009, 05:12 AM
Here is the honest truth. 1- There arent enough police on the streets. 2- Too many specialty units that arent taking calls for service, or doing much of anything really; most of these units are either un-needed or services duplicated by other agencies (FHP-PBSO Traffic Unit or Florida Marine Patrol- PBSO Marine Patrol Unit, etc.) 3- Too many "public relations" positions and civilian assignments when there should be more police instead. 4- Police should have faster response times, but when an officer goes to a simple call there could be as much as 45 minutes of paperwork, log entries, emails, etc to do (on a 12 hr shift). This because cops must CYA everytime they get out of the car; we have become a walking bundle of fear reference civil litigation. 5- Police could do more, but why? with doing more comes more headaces and complaints, IA's, etc. Law Enforcement today rewards those who do the bare minimum and dont make waves or get complaints. You could have a long career walking around the airport not doing a thing. You could have a short career working a busy area. Its not about the police work. Its about avoiding complaints and staying out of "trouble". All of this adds up to your 15 minute response time on alarms.

11-18-2009, 01:20 PM
That last entry on this post is so very correct and that is one of the most important reasons why this Sheriff's Office must demand a real Chief Executive. One who understands these issues and how they impact the public. It is NOT about getting elected. It is about serving the public. We must only hope that when this oversight panel begins they will run into Gun Club and take appropriate action first thing.

11-18-2009, 09:27 PM
Answer is - Poor management and supervision from the top down! Just look at us in the news lately, we look like a bunch of idiots! Just today, with the alledged accidental gun fire by a member of our brass sitting in an office BSing with two others.

Then there is our sex maniac unit/swingers squad that looks in the news to be our largest unit in the agency, what a disgrace, Majors and Lt's and others literally screwing around with each other on duty and we hear this is just the surface of the investigations on going in this area. No wonder our response time and case closure/arrest stats suck!

We have deputies screwing off on duty time all over the county and even out of the county down to Miami and probably beyond. Then our worthless PBA rep deputies who spend more time trying to get out of work for themselves and others than anything else. Put their asses back on the streets running calls and making arrests!

No wonder this place is going down the crapper, time to get back to basics and do some real police work and get some leaders who earn respect by setting example, not hiding out!

11-19-2009, 12:37 AM
AMEN

11-19-2009, 07:09 PM
What is wrong with you people? Read the article.... (like Public Defenders read your PC's)

These alarms reponse times are AFTER the company has called the home and talked to a resident without a code.... This isn't a burglary reponse but a welfare check.

FHP = traffic control? Are you mental deranged? I believe FHP has a few troopers in our county at any given moment....

Amazing the lack of critical thinking displayed on this website on a daily basis... How do you folks do your job?

11-20-2009, 07:05 PM
It took me about 12 minutes to get to an alarm today.
It's all these "Blue-Hairs" who are down from the North this time of year.
It takes forever to get around in this county in the Winter.

Does anyone know where we can look up to see what the % increase in population of Palm Beach County is during the Winter? It's got to be at least 25% or more.

11-21-2009, 02:07 AM
It took me about 12 minutes to get to an alarm today.
It's all these "Blue-Hairs" who are down from the North this time of year.
It takes forever to get around in this county in the Winter.

Does anyone know where we can look up to see what the % increase in population of Palm Beach County is during the Winter? It's got to be at least 25% or more.


OH WHINE, WHINE, WHINE! IF IT WASN'T FOR ALL THOSE "BLUE - HAIRS", THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR ALL THESE "WORTHLESS" DEPUTIES.

11-21-2009, 04:56 AM
No explanation needed, I told everyone from the onset that if a post violates the Terms of Use I will delete it. If they are way out of line I will recommend banning the author from the site. I am not going to debate nonsense with keyboard cowboys, play by the rules and feel free to discuss what concerns you. I will however give a poster much more latitude in certain situations if they post their real name. I will not however allow someone to come on here and commit a s/3 (slam)against an individual or this agency.

I have to agree....WE need to play by the rules.........If a poster does NOT play by the rules.....do what you have to do....just as long as YOU THE MODERATOR dont cross the line..........your personal likes and dislikes are of no concern here.....only the TERMS OF USE ! !
Thanks for doing a good job.

11-21-2009, 03:11 PM
No explanation needed, I told everyone from the onset that if a post violates the Terms of Use I will delete it. If they are way out of line I will recommend banning the author from the site. I am not going to debate nonsense with keyboard cowboys, play by the rules and feel free to discuss what concerns you. I will however give a poster much more latitude in certain situations if they post their real name. I will not however allow someone to come on here and commit a s/3 (slam)against an individual or this agency.

I have to agree....WE need to play by the rules.........If a poster does NOT play by the rules.....do what you have to do....just as long as YOU THE MODERATOR dont cross the line..........your personal likes and dislikes are of no concern here.....only the TERMS OF USE ! !
Thanks for doing a good job.


I don't think Bradshaw and Gauger should be interferring with the moderator of this forum? Whether they like it or not, this is a place we should be able to come on and tell it like it is!

RETIRED LT 275
11-25-2009, 09:25 PM
Hello Everyone,
This Pat Aahara,aka OHara. In response to the Pat Ohara and Pat Aahara remarks I wish to say I have not posted on this subject. Please feel free to ask the moderator.

I have no feeling on this subject other than to remind all, I offered to work for no salary, Re Free Sheriff O'Hara prior to the last election. I gave Deputies an opportunity to elect one of them. Someone who truly knew what is going on in our agency.

I got little or no support.

Oh Well !!

11-26-2009, 01:08 AM
To retired Sgt O'Hara: I guess there was a reason you recieved little or no support. I would suggest "you let it go" and move on.

RETIRED LT 275
11-26-2009, 09:17 PM
Hello Everyone,

In spite of the named people in my lawsuit, I retired prior to any paperwork to demote me was procedded.

I had the courage in my own way to tell the same people who are talked about all the time on LEO Affairs, to kiss my ass.

I stood up to the most self serving sheriff, under sheriff and again the named people In my lawsuit.

My heart goes out to all the people who have but no choice to put up with the greed, an corrpution that goes on there everyday.

Happy Holidays to those who have to bite their lips for fear of retaliation. I know how it is.

Not to mention, the embarrasment you are put through.

Pat Aahara
Retired Lt, 275

11-27-2009, 02:16 PM
Responding to alarm calls is not a priority. Just think, why should law enforcement check on your house only because you have an alarm. False alarms make up over 90% of all alarm calls. With a strained budget year upon us, and no end in sight, why not have the Sheriff consider restricting response to alarms to just hold up alarms at businesses. Enact an ordinance that requires all alarm holders to pay for any, and all, response to alarms. With this, then PBSO could make alarm response a permit, allowing off duty deputies the responsibility to respond to alarms. This would free up on duty staff to respond to priority calls, not false alarms....and would allow permit money be spent on off duty depuites responding to these non-priority calls. That would make more sense and still get the job done more cost effective and efficient.

11-28-2009, 12:29 AM
That's cool. No, police officers should never have to respond to a tax-payer's home when an alarm sounds indicating a felony is taking place at that location. Get off your butt........you are only moaning and groaning to each other anyway.....and go to the call. Be thankful it is not an actual burglary or worse and clear the call. Hard to believe what many of us are willing to say on this site that make all of us look like lazy, uncaring, money-grabbing jerks. I guess there is not one member of the PBSO that sets their alarm when they go to work. If it were to go off, fifteen cars would leave the restaurant, the ball-park, the gas station, the mall or any other most important gathering place to respond. Give the public a break. Do your jobs. Quit the moaning and the groaning and the whining and trying to figure out every way in the world to not have to WORK. WORK!!

11-28-2009, 12:33 AM
AN ALRM CALL IS A PRIORITY. IT MEANS A HOME MAY BE BEING BROKE INTO AND OR SOMEBODY INSIDE BEING THE VICITM OF SOMETHING AWFUL. WHY ON EARTH WOULD AREAL POLICEMAN EVER WANT TO SAY THEY ARE NOT IMPORTANT. SO WHAT IF MANY OF THEM ARE FALSE ALARMS. THAT IS A GOOD THING. SURE, FINE THE FOLKS IF THEY DON'T TIGHTEN UKPO ON THEIR SYKSTEM BUT NEVER EVER STOP RESPONDING. WHY THE HECK ARE WE EVEN OUT THERE. GOOD GRIEF. DONT EVER HAVE TO WORRYR ABOUT NO HOLDUKP AT DUKNKIN DONUTS ONLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING OUR FAT BUTTS OUT OF THE CAR TO GRAB A BAG.