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07-29-2009, 01:39 AM
I think everyone is aware of the incident involving Sgt ******* of the Cambridge, MA Police Dept and President Obama's remarks. I just wanted to let everyone know that the Cambridge Police Department does have a Board listed under Massachusetts.

Some of you already have, but I would invite those of you who haven't, to go to the Cambridge PD Message Board and leave a message for Sgt ******* and Cambridge PD. Let them know that they have support from around the country.

Here is a link to there board. http://forums.leoaffairs.com/viewforum.php?f=330

Thanks,

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mr dad
07-29-2009, 09:46 AM
Sgt. *******,

sw Florida cops suport you!

07-29-2009, 12:30 PM
Please, we all know that arrest was a "POP" arrest. How can you arrest a man for disorderly conduct in his home. The officer was pissed and decided to make an arrest. I'm not as an officer going to support all officer's action. If you make a mistake admit it.

07-29-2009, 12:48 PM
Please, we all know that arrest was a "POP" arrest. How can you arrest a man for disorderly conduct in his home. The officer was pissed and decided to make an arrest. I'm not as an officer going to support all officer's action. If you make a mistake admit it.
I agree with you and YOU made a mistake. How do you make an assessment when you know what the rest of us know? How do you know what the officer was feeling? Was Gates calm? Was Gates agitated and uncooperative? Was Gates racially profiling? Was Gates race-baiting? How do you know what went into the decision making of the SERGEANT ? I am not all that certain you are a cop and if you are you need to brush up on your skills, you appear to jump to conclusions and make decisions without knowing all the facts, something i would expect from a rookie or from a disgruntled cop who most likely was terminated.
All I know is this, the police were called to the scene of a reported felony in progress, I must believe that Gates did nothing to quell the concern of Gates and others there. Gates was arrested for DOC, Gates states this happened because he is black, Sgt. ******* stands by his arrest and his actions. The fact that Obama is Gates' friend is fine, the fact that Obama comments about it and disrespected all police officers in not. I believe Sgt. ******* is being intimidated and bullied, and if you have an ounce of decency, you would stand behind the man for those reasons. I will be the first in line to ( and I have ) call out a bad cop, demand his firing and in one case testified against them in court, I will also be the first to support someone ( anyone ) that I believe is being wronged. I guess it is far fetched to believe a Harvard professor could be arrogant,****y and feel a sense of entitlement. I am just cautious of Obama's friends, you know, Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers and now Gates, together they make the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse.

07-29-2009, 12:55 PM
Please, we all know that arrest was a "POP" arrest. How can you arrest a man for disorderly conduct in his home. The officer was pissed and decided to make an arrest. I'm not as an officer going to support all officer's action. If you make a mistake admit it.
The fact that you ask " how can you arrest a man for disorderly conduct in his own home ?"
confirms that you are not in law enforcement or must be one of the most incompetent cops in the world. Yea, I know you, a supervisor's nightmare and a squad's Achilles heel. If you are in law enforcement, and I seriously doubt it, quit, this job is not for you. You will either get yourself or worse, someone else killed or injured because of your lack of skills, knowledge and intestinal fortitude.

07-29-2009, 01:39 PM
You are the idiot retired guy. read the statute for disorderly conduct. You are causing a ruckus in public drawing a crowd dumb A$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

07-29-2009, 02:51 PM
You are the idiot retired guy. read the statute for disorderly conduct. You are causing a ruckus in public drawing a crowd dumb A$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And he stated that in his report. Further he could have used the resisting charge or whatever is similar in Ma, as he, Gates was impeding the investigation. I'm sorry, normally police are not in a position to prosecute the case and act as jury...I may be retired but does " probable cause" no longer exist? If Gates was illegally or unlawfully detained or arrested then he has grounds to sue, why isn't he? And on the flip side, Sgt. Crawly has the right to sue for slander and liable. Dumb ass, that is it, I disagree with the assessment on a rookie and that is your comeback? I still don't believe you are a cop , possibly a service aide or dispatcher who happens to have an AA degree in Criminal Justice from the local Community College. I am certain, if you are working for a police agency, I could ask for the biggest arse wipe and I am sure your name will be given. Now, go back to counting paperclips and leave the adults alone. You are dismissed. Any cop worth his salt can come up with the approbriate charge at anytime, POP charge,watch another episode of Law and Order and learn some more lingo, putz.

07-29-2009, 05:21 PM
Massachusetts law and Florida are not the same, In massachusetts you just need to meet one of these definitions:

A "disorderly person" is defined as one who:

with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or

recklessly creates a risk thereof or

engages in fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, or

creates a hazard or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose.

I would say the Sgt had PC for the arrest based on reading his police report and following media reports.

07-29-2009, 06:52 PM
Oh by the way in the report is states that Gates was not arrested until he was outside his home. It said that Gates followed the Sergeant outside of his home. Last I check and I am a newer Officer but, just because you are in your yard and you breach the peace of others (not a cop's he had witnesses) you can still be arrested for disorderly. I love how people can quarterback this guy without knowing all the facts. Read the report its in there. Its one of the longest disorderly reports I have ever seen. The Sergeant was thorough with explaining everything that led to his arrest. He also stated that Gates started to act unruly in his home. The sergeant then walked outside the home where gates followed continuing his ranting. When the Sergeant witnessed these actions outside his home he made the arrest. I agree there is a need to police the police but, i think its gotten to a point where we go in to a call with our hands tied behind our back. The funny thing is he did walk up to the guys home, they were called by a concerned neighbor. If I were Gates I would have thanked my neighbors for looking out for my home like that. But I only have a high school education with one year on my department.

07-29-2009, 07:32 PM
It's no secret that Sgt. ******* Arrested Gates because Gates pissed him off. Once Sgt. ******* determined that Gates lived at the residence that should have been the end. Sgt. ******* is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude. Stop Praising him like he's a damn hero.

07-29-2009, 07:55 PM
I can see both sides but as a veteran officer, I would have walked away once it was determined this was the home owner. We all know not everyone likes us or thinks we are doing a great job. Gates is certainly setting a poor example for young people in particular. But unfortunately, since Obama took office I can't help but notice people of color sorta think they're in charge now. We only elected one Black man to run the country. For the rest of them, a little respect for our profession will do nicely.

07-29-2009, 09:30 PM
Sgt. ******* is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude

Speak for yourself, I have never given someone a ticket who did not do something wrong! This gates guy is a racist who goes thgru his entire life playing the race card. Quit acting like he some type of victim.

07-29-2009, 09:52 PM
It's no secret that Sgt. ******* Arrested Gates because Gates pissed him off. Once Sgt. ******* determined that Gates lived at the residence that should have been the end. Sgt. ******* is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude. Stop Praising him like he's a darn hero.
I can see your point. However I can honestly say in my over 30 years on the job, I have never arrested or given a citation without having probably cause. It comes down to discretion, the greatest tool an officer can have. Cops write other cops tickets, others don't. I think you chose the wrong words, If you have arrested persons that did nothing wrong, then you have perjured yourself in the official police report, I hope you just used the wrong words and that you are not admitting to committing a crime? The reason why most are praising ******* isn't because he is a hero, it is because we see an injustice and we are rallying our support. Think about it, on national television, check that , international television, the liberal media is lining up against the officer, not him but all of us. Next you have the President of the United States of America, say that aloud, stating that YOU and YOUR police department acted STUPIDLY. He also stated he was bias because he is friends with " Skip", ( a media ploy to make this arrogant sob more human and more working class). Look I wasn't there and yes, I can honestly say I would more then likely handled it DIFFERENTLY, that means my way would be correct, for me, Sgt. ******* handled it as he saw fit. The one thing that saddens me is the fact that some of our own brothers and sisters will publicly air there personal feelings when they have only the information put out by the media and an attorney. Lets be frank, Gates came home after a long flight from China, then to NY. He drives home and can't get into his home, he is pizzed, and rightly so. The last thing he wanted to see is the cops, demanding to know who he is. I think he was on his last nerve and once he started in, there was no backing down, I am sure he was tired, pizzed and embarrassed and in an attempt to save face, started a tirade against *******. Maybe ******* should have walked away, maybe not, it was his call. He appears to be man enough to stand up for himself. Let's watch and see this " photo op " with Obama play out.

07-29-2009, 11:44 PM
It's no secret that Sgt. ******* Arrested Gates because Gates pissed him off. Once Sgt. ******* determined that Gates lived at the residence that should have been the end. Sgt. ******* is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude. Stop Praising him like he's a darn hero.

I agree with the above writer, but with one exception, that is, allowing the attitude from a citizen contact (IE., traffic stop), and not the reason for the stop, to determine the outcome of a stop. (providing there was no other laws broken, and notwithstanding discretion by the officer...).

And for the responders that say there is no such thing as a POP(Pissing off the Police) arrest charge (they are right, I've never seen it titled this way in statute) However,
they either have never worked a day as a street cop, or they are a damn liar (yes, I said it, LIAR!). Call it obstruction, resisting without, whatever you wish to. To say there is no historical basis for these sentiments, is horsepunky. So I'm calling BULL*@#@$ on this one.

My comments on the Gates issue. I'm glad the debate is out in the open for public consumption. Mr gates was tired, pissed, and wanted to get in his house. He (Gates), was wrong for calling the officer a racist. The officer was also doing his job based upon the limitations of his training. I for one, would have never walked into a house (bearing in mind that a hot call for burglary in progress) by myself, unless the facts on the ground were suitable for me to enter without appropriate backup. This officer did. After identifying Gates, he should have left). The mere fact that he didn't leave was may have allowed the homeowner to tweak him and piss him off, period! Hence, the tumult and arrest that followed is the essence of this debate.
President Obama responded to this issue, as I would expect any forthright president should have after being asked by a member of the press. The use of the word 'stupidly' according to the president, should have been calibrated differently. To this end I also agree. The debate is here folks, and its real. Lets be decent to one another, and not attempt to blow smoke up people's ... fill in the rest. These things happen.

07-30-2009, 01:50 AM
I don't fault Obama, he is a good dictator. And the United Socialist Republic of America is still #1!!! Praise Obama!!!

07-30-2009, 12:03 PM
It's no secret that Sgt. ******* Arrested Gates because Gates pissed him off. Once Sgt. ******* determined that Gates lived at the residence that should have been the end. Sgt. ******* is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude. Stop Praising him like he's a darn hero.

I agree with the above writer, but with one exception, that is, allowing the attitude from a citizen contact (IE., traffic stop), and not the reason for the stop, to determine the outcome of a stop. (providing there was no other laws broken, and notwithstanding discretion by the officer...).

And for the responders that say there is no such thing as a POP(Pissing off the Police) arrest charge (they are right, I've never seen it titled this way in statute) However,
they either have never worked a day as a street cop, or they are a darn liar (yes, I said it, LIAR!). Call it obstruction, resisting without, whatever you wish to. To say there is no historical basis for these sentiments, is horsepunky. So I'm calling BULL*@#@$ on this one.


My comments on the Gates issue. I'm glad the debate is out in the open for public consumption. Mr gates was tired, pissed, and wanted to get in his house. He (Gates), was wrong for calling the officer a racist. The officer was also doing his job based upon the limitations of his training. I for one, would have never walked into a house (bearing in mind that a hot call for burglary in progress) by myself, unless the facts on the ground were suitable for me to enter without appropriate backup. This officer did. After identifying Gates, he should have left). The mere fact that he didn't leave was may have allowed the homeowner to tweak him and piss him off, period! Hence, the tumult and arrest that followed is the essence of this debate.
President Obama responded to this issue, as I would expect any forthright president should have after being asked by a member of the press. The use of the word 'stupidly' according to the president, should have been calibrated differently. To this end I also agree. The debate is here folks, and its real. Lets be decent to one another, and not attempt to blow smoke up people's ... fill in the rest. These things happen.
OK, a few clarifications would be nice, how do you know ******* entered the home without backup? I do know from what I read in the media, that Harvard College Police were called when it was determined that Gates was an employee, I also read that ******* responded to the call because he was close by, he was not the dispatched unit, who was still responding. You seem to miss the point with your " POP" theory. POP as you call it is not illegal or unlawful, it must still be based on probable cause. If a police officer CHOOSES to make a obstruction, resisting and/or disorderly charge it must still be based on probable cause. You even admit it yourself when you say that the attitude should not dictate the outcome, notwithstanding officer discretion or p/c. Every charge of resisting,DOC and obstruction IS BASED ON ATTITUDE AND PROBABLE CAUSE. Someone who is causing a disturbance, when warned and calms down, is not arrested. Attitude is everything, even in court, true remorse and contrition will get liency, same thing on the street. Attitude works both ways, it will get you locked up but it will get you off. Unless we have robots patrolling our streets, attitude will forever be there, and not in our jobs but every profession. Studies have been conducted showing the treatment attractive people receive vs unattractive persons, thin persons vs. overweight persons. You make it sound like attitude should not be taken into consideration when in fact IT MUST. An arrest for disorderly conduct is made 99% of the time because the persons attitude justified the arrest. So go ahead and call BS on it, you need to open your mind up as well, tell me that you have never been swayed by attitude of the person you stopped? Negative or positive? You stopped a well dressed,polite person for speeding. He/She quickly gives you their D/L and apologize, telling you they are late for work, admit their error. Now same senario but the driver is slumped down in the seat, dressed in gangsta garb, asks why you stopped him, makes you reach in for the d/l and ask why you stopped him/her because they did nothing wrong. Who got the ticket? Don't fool yourself, society dictates how we are to act and respond in certain situations, think of a job interview or applying for a bank loan, you act a certain way, you dress a certain way.
As far as the presidents remarks, Imagine if George Bush was on TV and was asked the same question about the same incident, but Bush states, " I am biased, I have known Sgt. ******* and his family for years and considered them friends, that being said, I believe Prof. Gates and the entire Harvard Community acted stupidly, Gates should have just complied and we would not be having this discussion.........Don't be quick to call B/S because you base everything on what you would do, there are others in the world besides you. Be safe and use your best judgement in the future, I am sure your parents instilled good manners and a sense of right and wrong in you.

07-30-2009, 01:01 PM
The officer did nothing wrong. The officer was conducting an investigation. If the professor was not racist himself he would have been able to see past the white cop and assisted in the investigation. When someone calls in saying someone broke into a home, which does happen, the cops have to think there might be hostages. We always plan for the worst and hope for the best. It was good police work and a shame that the charges were dropped. People need to cooperate and stop playing the stupid race card.

07-30-2009, 01:52 PM
Lots of Monday morning QB's on here. It's bad when the general public does it but when members of the LEO community does it pretty ridiculous because we should know better. When someone asks me what I would do in a particular situation I say that, "I don't know because. I wasn't there." All of you who are saying that you would have done this or that and that it was a POP arrest should be ashamed because none of us where there, plain and simple. So would I have arrested Gates for what he did? I don't know. I wasn't there.

However, based on seeing the interviews with both individuals and how they conduct themselves and reading one of the best police reports I've see in a long time, I'd say it was fairly clear who was in the wrong.

07-30-2009, 07:24 PM
It's a bit ironic that the three people who "reacted badly" will sit down together in the White House and drink a beer while the one person who did not overreact (the passerby) will be at work Thursday.

Must be a guy thing!

07-30-2009, 08:47 PM
I can see both sides but as a veteran officer, I would have walked away once it was determined this was the home owner. We all know not everyone likes us or thinks we are doing a great job. Gates is certainly setting a poor example for young people in particular. But unfortunately, since Obama took office I can't help but notice people of color sorta think they're in charge now. We only elected one Black man to run the country. For the rest of them, a little respect for our profession will do nicely.

When you say "we elected a black man" I have to take exception to that remark. You and others may have elected him but I had nothing to do with it. All the information about Obama was out there before the election and anyone just a little smarter than a fool could have seen what was coming. It only took six months but comes as no surprise to me. The Japanese have a saying that if you want to know a man's character, look to his friends. In Obama's case that would be Wright, Ayers, Dorne and now Gates, not to mention his America adorning wife Michelle. Before I go further let me put something I know you're thinking to rest; if Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell had been a presidential candidate I would have voted for either over John McCain and I'm a republican. At least I was but today I see no difference between the two so I don't know what I am other than pissed. Sergeant ******* has nothing to apologize for and in my view is a stand up person. My only reservation about the outcome of this incident is that of meeting with these buffons for a beer. I would tell them both no thanks. If there's a "racist" to be found in this situation then look no further than Gates and Obama. That's my definition of a "learning moment" because it is what it is. The "because I'm black" excuse doesn't get it with me.

07-30-2009, 09:05 PM
If a road patrol officer had arrested Gates they would be reprimanded for using poor discretion. As ******* is a supervisor, he will not be. My opinion is that Gates was bagged for being a rectal orifice. Gates is the only racist involved in the incident. President Obama remarks and jumping to conclusions also comes close to borderline racism. And before the accusations of me being a racist comes flying, I voted for Obama.

07-30-2009, 11:33 PM
It's no secret that Sgt. ******* Arrested Gates because Gates pissed him off. Once Sgt. ******* determined that Gates lived at the residence that should have been the end. Sgt. ******* is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude. Stop Praising him like he's a darn hero.
I think everyone that has been responding to my comment misunderstood the third sentence. What i mean is, we all as law enforcement officer at one point in our career has come across someone that has done something wrong, however we have the discretion whether or not to make an arrest. If we do decide to make an arrest we still have the discretion of physical or NTA (except felonies). Gates definitely acted disorderly however, Sgt. *******'s motivation for the arrest was not because Gates acted Disorderly it was because of gates' poor attitude. Did Sgt. ******* really had to arrest that man in his own home? at least have a stronger charge.

07-30-2009, 11:40 PM
If a road patrol officer had arrested Gates they would be reprimanded for using poor discretion. As ******* is a supervisor, he will not be. My opinion is that Gates was bagged for being a rectal orifice. Gates is the only racist involved in the incident. President Obama remarks and jumping to conclusions also comes close to borderline racism. And before the accusations of me being a racist comes flying, I voted for Obama.
I agree with the first part, you couldn't have said it any better. In my opinion i think that Gates over reacted, but Sgt. ******* did not make the situation any better. As far as Pres. Obama, He had no business opening his mouth in this incident.

07-31-2009, 01:36 AM
The medical profession have as their credo the saying " Do no harm."

Most Americans are also used to hearing the term "Protect and serve."

If only members of the law enforcement community will not only do no harm, but also to
remember it is their credo to protect and serve. Two separate terms denoting a set of two profound principals. I am not sure if its just me being too 'sensitive,' but I'm sometimes very ashamed of the thuggery like pronunciations made by many so called Law Enforcement Officers on this site, and similar sites both print and electronic around this country. Its evident that many in the law enforcement profession are their worst enemy when it comes to remembering that the essence of their profession is that of a Peace Officer, not a street thug or rabble rouser. Reasonable and decent people are listening and watching our every actions and nuances. Perhaps learning how to differentiate between the terms 'racist, and 'stupidity' can be a good start. Reasonable people I believe may say that stupidity and racist are terms denoting (1) actions, and (2)a state of being. Neither of which are respective of ones nationality or pigmentation. These are both strong terms, and should be reflected upon seriously by reasonable and intelligent people. Perhaps this debate may spark this reflection by decent people. Perhaps it may not.

The good neighbor rule doesn't just apply to so called church folks. Lets not allow the men and women of the law enforcement profession to become loathed and feared and more than many here have rendered plenty of evidence for some to continue doing. Why not fear God and behave like decent and reasonable people. This is not a perfect world, and I don't believe this is an unreasonable request. Unless of course peace making is not the essence of ones intentions!

07-31-2009, 02:51 AM
Sgt. Leon Lashley, thank you. Your family,friends and the officers of Cambridge PD are truly fourtunate to have a man of your calibre and integrity working with the. Good luck to you sir, you have my respect.

07-31-2009, 04:31 AM
All i have to say is if it was a white professor that got arrested, there would be no (or very little) media attention nor a trip to the white house. The Sergeant did his job and I guess the black professor got some pull. That is it, no more, no less.

07-31-2009, 09:12 AM
Okay, here is my $0.02... If someone ever calls in a burglary at my house, please come in with your firearm drawn and down whoever you find in my house. Even if it is me and even if you are black, white, brown or any other color of the rainbow. I will comply and show you an actual identification with my address on it and not a school, or work ID that doesn't have my home address on it. Once you determine I should be there and uncuff me I will shake your hand and thank you for doing your job and protecting my sh!t.

Now, this is Obama's 3rd racist friend that we know about (Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright and now Henry Louis Gates) and it is quite embarrassing that our president keeps putting his foot in his mouth when he defends racist people. If he don't get new friends, he might start a race war. Also, why has no one ever asked why the only thing from the video we see is a still photo and not the video itself? Could it be that the professor was hurling racist insults and ******* was remaining professional in his conduct? One can only wonder.

07-31-2009, 10:56 AM
You'll have to excuse OBie, he's still trying to be Lincoln. And to the guy or gal who said we should never act like thugs, evidently you have never mixed it up with a gang of hood rats. When in Rome.....

07-31-2009, 11:18 AM
Did everyone catch the symbolism of the beer selected by *******? I had to LOL. Yea, you'll get my apology when there's a BLUE MOON! Good one, Sarg. One thing the world doesn't really ever get to know is just how funny cops are - the best.

07-31-2009, 04:04 PM
Cambridge cop acting "stupidly", Hollywood cop acting "stupidly", what's new. Those are just the ones that we know about. Do not condone illegal behaviour.

07-31-2009, 05:49 PM
Please, we all know that arrest was a "POP" arrest. How can you arrest a man for disorderly conduct in his home. The officer was pissed and decided to make an arrest. I'm not as an officer going to support all officer's action. If you make a mistake admit it.
You were there? I would like to see your history of arrests.

07-31-2009, 09:00 PM
I like how all you cops glance over the fact that the police reports may have been falsified or contain major errors.

It's ok though. You bullies will never have to admit errors. Certainly your right wing heroes never have.

Police report here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

CNN article: http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/27/gates.arrest/

Boston Herald here: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1187334&pos=breaking

DailyKOS here: (even though you right wing nuts will never admit to anything being correct at dailyKOS)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/27/758404/-Sgt.-*******-lied-on-his-report:-Whalens-attorney

Texas
07-31-2009, 09:13 PM
Bottom line here is pretty clear. If Gates had been polite, if he had shown his DL (with address on it) as requested by ******* instead of a Harvard ID, it would have been "Thank you sir, have a good day," and over. My kids know that if they treat an officer with respect they avoid problems. Gates teaches black studies. He earns his living off of making race an issue. I am tired of some blacks with a chip on their shoulder trying to make everything about race. It wasn't. Gates, get over it. Become a social worker, a cop, a lawyer, a doctor, or something that enables you to enrich human eperience instead of demean it.

07-31-2009, 11:55 PM
Gates sucks, Obama sucks and sergeant ******* da man.

08-01-2009, 12:43 AM
Police officers will never admit when they make a mistake. It was a mistake to arrest that old man on his porch, period end of discussion. You shouldn’t arrest someone for hurting your feelings or yelling at you. Plus, I don’t know what the crime is like there, but I’m sure there was SOMETHING better to do than arrest a 60 year old man. Police officers should stand together when right but be big enough to apologize when wrong.

08-01-2009, 01:16 AM
The unwritten law that sums it up is "Contempt of Cop".

If the incident was handled correctly and properly by *******, why where the charges dropped within 24 hrs?
Next why did the state commision handling LE training require the Cambridge PD to incorperate a training guide the topic of profiling?

Fun Fact------
Texas is the founding and leading state of racial profiling.

08-01-2009, 03:24 AM
Lets see how many are willing to defend this:
This is not only a scourge on the human soul, but its a reality in everyday police life in America. Free speech is not my concern here, the writer is entitled to it, but this mindset of an entitlement predisposition that allows this officer and many like his ilk (many of whom post on this blog), to be so proud as to set this "liberal reporter" straight with the way things ought to be , and that are in HIS world. Whats shameful here is the reluctance of the so called reasonable and decent officers who refuse to expose many of this sort in their ranks.

Full 'Jungle Monkey' Email by Officer Justin Barrett

BY ROGERS CADENHEAD
Thursday, July 30, 2009 at 02:02 PM

Here's the full text of the email sent by Boston police officer Justin Barrett to Boston Globecolumnist Yvonne Abraham in response to her criticism of the arrest of Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr.

Barrett:

That was by far the worst article I've ever read. I am a former English teacher, writer, current police officer, father, husband and military veteran. You need to be corrected and I certainly hope others have attempted, for your written messages and material is so 4th grade level, I am embarrassed I paid 1.50 for the paper [rest assured, it is my aim to tell as many readers The Boston Globe and your biased reporting is both sub standard and strictly one sided].

For you are not professional and basically, your writing is ridiculous. A reader may assume, per your article, that criminals are never well-dressed with a tucked in polo [2nd paragraph]. Your defense [4th paragraph] of Gates while he is on the phone while being confronted [INDEED] with a police officer is assuming he has rights when considered a suspect. He is a suspect and will always be a suspect.

His first priority of effort should be to get off the phone and comply with the police, for if I was the officer he verbally assaulted like a banana-eating jungle monkey, I would have sprayed him in the face with OC [oleoresin caseinate aka pepper gas] deserving of his belligerent non-compliance.

Further [5th paragraph], a reader may assume that crimes only happen in back alleys at 0300?! You're kidding me, right? Are you still in the 5th Grade, Catholic School?

That paragraph was a s pathetic as jungle monkey gibberish -- I might as well ax you the question, Is this your first test at reporting?"

You do not understand roles, tactics, and dangers police officers face, as apparently you think no one wearing a polo might possess a firearm of knife on his/her person. Might you fathom a woman could be a criminal? Or are criminals all hairy, dirty, stinky, mean ugly looking men?

You are a hot little bird with minimal experience in a harsh field. You are a fool. An infidel. You have no business writing for a US newspaper nevermind [sic] detailing and analyzing half truths. You should serve me coffee and donuts on Sunday morning.

My last point counters your final 2 paragraphs, in which you state Gates is, "this immensely famous expert on race" -- you really have to be kidding me? Famous for what? Expert why and says who?

What has he done for the law enforcement community or military veterans or to secure freedoms and our borders in this country? What has he done to limit and reduce my income tax?

He has proven to work to get himself attention and become a wealthy lecturer. He lectures students on the subject of racial ethics and profiling. Jee whiz. I must attend that lecture lest I lose my identity and right to free speech and the right to celebrate God and beliefs as I see fit.

I am not a racist, but I am prejudice towards people whop are stupid and pretend to stand up and preach for something they claim is freedom when it is merely attention because you do not receive enough of it in your little fear-dwelling circle of on-the-bandwagon followers.

You mention gates' charges were dropped but that it was too late to stop the damage? Damage? Still kidding? You need to serve a day with the infantry and get swarmed by black gnats while manning your sector. Or you just need to get slapped, look in the mirror and admit, "Wow, I am a failure. I am a follower. Who am I kidding?"

Again I like a warm cruller and hot Panamanian, black. No sugar.

Your final statement reads, Gates, whose great success has allowed him to transcend the racial divide" to which I ask, when did he transcend?

He indeed has transcended back to a bumbling jungle monkey, thus he forever tremains [sic] amid this nation's great social/racial divide that makes it a free and great nation mixed with crazy awkward differences.

Go ahead, ax me what I think? Gates is a goddamned fool and you the article writer simply a poor follower and maybe worse, a poor writer.

Your article title should read CONDUCT UNBECOMING A JUNGLE MONKEY –BACK TO ONE'S ROOTS. JB

08-01-2009, 04:17 AM
Hmmmm...The most stupidly way to act on all there parts. First, I think we can invalidate the charge of racial profiling by the media and others, sgt. ******* was just about dispatched, more or less, and the race of the possible two intruders was never revealed as black. Gates probably wasn't in a good mood for anything that night, so I understand his frustration, although he should've handled it in a diffrent manner, more like thank you for protecting my house from possible intruders. ******* too, he should have just left the scene no matter what gates was allegedly calling him, how serious is bad mouthing an officer, sound more like "contempt of cop" to me. For obama, I support him, however it was not his business commenting on a local issue such as that, he pretty much was used. In any case, animosity for the police probably has rised along with people who think police protect police no matter what, ******* will be branded as a racist for the most part, so is the passerby that called the police, obama is screwed on this matter, and from this point on it feel's like were in a modified version of 1956.

08-01-2009, 04:55 PM
The unwritten law that sums it up is "Contempt of Cop".

If the incident was handled correctly and properly by *******, why where the charges dropped within 24 hrs?
Next why did the state commision handling LE training require the Cambridge PD to incorperate a training guide the topic of profiling?

Fun Fact------
Texas is the founding and leading state of racial profiling.

I'm sure it was dropped because of political issues. They saw the media storm brewing and did not want to be involved

08-01-2009, 05:52 PM
[Full 'Jungle Monkey' Email by Officer Justin Barrett

BY ROGERS CADENHEAD
Thursday, July 30, 2009 at 02:02 PM

Here's the full text of the email sent by Boston police officer Justin Barrett to Boston Globecolumnist Yvonne Abraham in response to her criticism of the arrest of Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr.

In 2009, we have a policeman who feels its okay to call someone a “Jungle Monkey”. In fact, he repeated it four times within his letter and proclaimed proudly that he would have sprayed Professor Gates in the face with OC. That scares me, because he roams around freely with a gun on his hip. If Officer Barrett would spray a defenseless old man in the face for “belligerent non-compliance” what would he do to a young man who committed a crime yet gave up when captured? Worst yet, what would he do if he felt the person was a “jungle monkey”.

As a police officer, I’ve always wondered why people would defend actions that were incomprehensible. Why after a guy robs a store and is shot, his mother would say, he wasn’t a bad person or why did they have to shoot him. I guess civilians wonder why police officers defend each other even when our actions are wrong. As kids we were taught the bigger person would walk away, and in this case there were no big people in the room, just big egos.

I’m happy the people involved in this incident were able to share a beer together, but I feel sorry for the rest of us. Thanks to the actions of those two educated and seemly intelligent men, race relations just took three giant steps backwards. We landed right back in a time when we are divided by race and its okay to prejudge each other and call each other names based on the color of our skin. I hope the beer was worth it.

08-02-2009, 01:55 AM
I guess Sgt. ******* should have believed Gates when he said, "I know Obama". You see, I can understand *******'s position because since our Fuhrer Obama was elected because it would be nice for change [because hes black], every black person we make contact with says,
"we got Obama". Well you can have Obama, he is sorry. Maybe Gates and Obama can sit in on one of *******'s human diversity classes, that sounds like progress. Charges on Gates got dropped, no surprise since he is the only one who actually really had Obama. So what can Obama do for America?

Perpetuate extreme racism in America, Yes we can.
Create hostility between the American public and police, Yes we can.
Sink the economy, Yes we can.
Destroy health care, Yes we can.
Make Bush look intelligent, Yes we can.
Bankrupt the middle class, Yes we can.

08-02-2009, 01:59 AM
First, I agree with Sgt *******'s probable cause for arrest however, allowing the state attorney to drop the charge only gave Gates and eveyone else the false impression that he did something wrong This is why it exploded into a national event. Secondly, I don't agree with Sgt. ******* attending the now infamous presidential beer drinking session because he just admitted he was wrong in principle by not honoring his earlier media statement that he would not apologize for his actions. Police officers should learn a very important lesson from this; Anytime you try to be nice and give someone a break, it comes back to bite you in the A**!)

08-02-2009, 03:37 AM
Police officers should learn a very important lesson from this; Anytime you try to be nice and give someone a break, it comes back to bite you in the A**!) [/size][/i][/b][/quote]

He took an old man to jail because he yelled at him on the porch of his own home after he (Sgt *******) asked him to step outside. If you call that giving him a break then I would hate to see someone you didn't give a break to.

08-02-2009, 10:25 AM
Police officers should learn a very important lesson from this; Anytime you try to be nice and give someone a break, it comes back to bite you in the A**!) [/size][/i][/b]

He took an old man to jail because he yelled at him on the porch of his own home after he (Sgt *******) asked him to step outside. If you call that giving him a break then I would hate to see someone you didn't give a break to.[/quote]
Why do you and some others call gates an " old man?" I mean he is 58 years old??? Is he void of his faculties,does he suffer alzheimer's? Maybe he is also incontinent? Get the phuck over yourself. Yes, he was screaming, most likely night tremors.....So he was asked to calm down, but because gates is an elitist and arrogant, he did not need to listen to a white person, let alone a cop, great, just great. So when a black kid refuses to listen to a lawful order to freeze, and he moves his hands in such a way that he gets capped, gates will have himself to thank for the lessons he has taught us all. gates needs to sit in a car, parked in the garage, running and the windows rolled down, and you should be along for the ride.

08-02-2009, 12:30 PM
So when a black kid refuses to listen to a lawful order to freeze, and he moves his hands in such a way that he gets capped, gates will have himself to thank for the lessons he has taught us all. gates needs to sit in a car, parked in the garage, running and the windows rolled down, and you should be along for the ride.

Adam,

You are obviously no police officer because in police work we don’t use the term “freeze”. I think the command you are referring to is “stop”. Also, Police officers (like me) are trained not to simply “cap” black kids, white kids, or any kids, because they refuse to listen to us. It’s called police work; people do not listen to us every day. It doesn’t mean we can “cap” them, as you so unintelligently put it. Why don’t you grow up and go rant on MySpace, Twitter, or FB, this is a grownup site.

08-02-2009, 07:19 PM
I am simply amazed by the continues coverage on this stupid incident. I am amazed that this is being called a race issue. Well it may be a race issue, a race card issue. There seems to be a huge gap of understanding between what blog writers hiding in their cubicles and what police do on the street everyday. There are race issues in america but, this sounds more like two professional men puffing their chests than racial profiling.This country has come a long ways from its civil right days and thank god for that. What scares me as a law enforcement officer is that I will have a twitter writing loser behing my every step hoping I will make a "questionable decision."

Capt. America
08-03-2009, 03:47 PM
To all you Obama Loving Commies with a badge.....chew on this....................The hard core racist Henry Gates.

Obama's Buddy Henry Gates Racist Affirmative Action Rant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekRZJof3Hq8

Never have I been so ashamed of brother officers who don't have a clue about the commie muslim racist who now occupies the white House. For 30 years Barack & Michelle were best friends with a Terrorist Cop Killers (Ayers & Dohrn) and most of you narcissitic pinko CSI watching green horns don't have a clue or if you do could care less. Any cop who voted for or supports this Kenyan Muslim Commie Racist Homo subversive is a stain on the badge.

Capt. America
08-03-2009, 03:55 PM
The Real Racist Henry Gates.......Chew on this you Obama Loving Commie Scumbag Morons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekRZJof3Hq8

08-03-2009, 04:48 PM
The following is an open letter to Obama by Pat Buchanan regarding race in America. I think it sums up what many of us think. It is also difficult for many to express their opinion for fear they will be labled a racist. It is important to understand, that racist aren't always white, in fact most aren't.

BUCHANAN? TO? OBAMA?????? By? Patrick J.? Buchanan
Barack says we need to have a? conversation about race in America . Fair enough. But this time, it has? to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from,? not just lectured to.. This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its? convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are? these:
First, America has? been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that? 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a? community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and? reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever? known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an? American.
Second, no? people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans.? Untold trillions have been spent since the ' 60s on welfare, food? stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans,? legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs? designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.? Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination? against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and? quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches,? foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have? donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education,? day care, retirement and nursing homes for? blacks.
We hear the? grievances. Where is the gratitude???
Barack talks? about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ??? And Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many? were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships? for 'deserving' white kids.? Is white America really responsible for the? fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are? seven times those of white America ?? Is it really white America 's? fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70? percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has? reached 50 percent?
Is that the? fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black? community itself?
As for racism,? its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially? interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white? criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals? choose white victims 45 percent of the time?
Is Barack aware? that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse,? that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first? three years of this decade as the reverse?
We have all? heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape? case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic? of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear? nothing.?Sorry, Barack,? some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax? dollars ago.?We are a Christian Nation even if Mr. Obama says we are not.This needs to be passed around? because, this is a message everyone needs to? hear!!!





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08-04-2009, 10:29 AM
The First and biggest clues that someone is a racist and going to make such a statement, start with one or all of the following lines.

1. "First off let me say this I am not a racist."
2. "Please don't think me a racist for what I am about to say."
3. "Why do (enter race here) always do this."
4. "(Enter race here) think they can get away with anything because they are a minority."

I have heard everyone of these, and worse on my department.

The ones that make these statements are the same ones that make the statement:
"Why am I here?" I don't feel it's neccesary that I should take this course."
When they go through profiling and community relations training.

So please, will those who failed the psych evaluation test on the entrance exam, stop posting here.

08-04-2009, 06:42 PM
If you were in your HOME and someone came by to investigate a Burglary, after you told them that this was your HOME, is there any other reason to remain? Is the officer not Trespassing at this time?

The officer does not know who lives there or does not. The man inside said it was his home. The officer should have stepped back, and if he was still concerned then set up a perimeter on the property, then further questioned the Homeowner and ask for an ID. Once the ID was produced, there is nothing else to say or do. The Officer now has no further right to remain on the Private Property.

The constitution allows one to speak their opinion, and since written has not changed to include racial remarks, therefore if anyone was racist, it's not illegal!

Point of the story, they were both at fault but the officer exerted his powers of arrest to make a point.
Gates should still be facing charges and the officer should have been reprimanded. As for Obama, he should be ousted from office!

But then this is my opinion!

08-04-2009, 07:36 PM
You seem to have a double standard when it comed to the right of free speech. You imply that the right to free speech does not apply to the office of president.

If you do not like the current administration, then you have a chance to change that if he runs again in four years. Vote and campaign against him.

The above is not an opinion, but rather a simple statement of fact.

08-06-2009, 12:56 AM
If you were in your HOME and someone came by to investigate a Burglary, after you told them that this was your HOME, is there any other reason to remain? Is the officer not Trespassing at this time?

The officer does not know who lives there or does not. The man inside said it was his home. The officer should have stepped back, and if he was still concerned then set up a perimeter on the property, then further questioned the Homeowner and ask for an ID. Once the ID was produced, there is nothing else to say or do. The Officer now has no further right to remain on the Private Property.

The constitution allows one to speak their opinion, and since written has not changed to include racial remarks, therefore if anyone was racist, it's not illegal!

Point of the story, they were both at fault but the officer exerted his powers of arrest to make a point.
Gates should still be facing charges and the officer should have been reprimanded. As for Obama, he should be ousted from office!

But then this is my opinion!

Read the report before you start typing, Jack4$$

08-06-2009, 02:12 PM
If you were in your HOME and someone came by to investigate a Burglary, after you told them that this was your HOME, is there any other reason to remain? Is the officer not Trespassing at this time?

The officer does not know who lives there or does not. The man inside said it was his home. The officer should have stepped back, and if he was still concerned then set up a perimeter on the property, then further questioned the Homeowner and ask for an ID. Once the ID was produced, there is nothing else to say or do. The Officer now has no further right to remain on the Private Property.

The constitution allows one to speak their opinion, and since written has not changed to include racial remarks, therefore if anyone was racist, it's not illegal!

Point of the story, they were both at fault but the officer exerted his powers of arrest to make a point.
Gates should still be facing charges and the officer should have been reprimanded. As for Obama, he should be ousted from office!

But then this is my opinion!

Read the report before you start typing, Jack4$$

I did read the REPORT, and we both know this is one side of the story and Cops do plenty of "creative writing" when it comes to reports.
- "caused citizens passing by this location to stop and take notice while appearing surprised and alarmed", come on seriously? Sounds like creative writing to me. Any statements from these passing citizens?
- The report states that the reporter, Lucia Whalen, said it was two blacks males, she publicly announce that she never mentioned their race other than one seemed hispanic.
- ******* states in his report "I radioed on channel 1 that I was off in the residence with someone who appeared to be a resident but very uncooperative". If he appeared to be a resident and in his house, then why is there still police presence?
- "I then overheard Gates telling the person on the other end of the call that he was dealing with a racist police officer in his home. Gates then turned to me and told me that I had no idea who I was messing with and that I had not heard the last of it. While I was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence, I was quite surprised and confused with the behavior he exhibited toward me." I am sure we missed some of the conversation here, and it's what ******* wants to say, but If anyone were in your house, and believed you lived there, and is still harassing you, would you be happy to talk to him? No, i would not! It's my house, you don't believe any crime has happened, and at this point if Gates in uncooperative, you turn to Whalen on the sidewalk and ask "does he live here", once she says "yes" you leave. first thing they teach in Police academy - Have a Thick Skin!

Now we have *******'s side of the incident, but there is alot missing. I am sure there was more than this dialog here. Like when did ******* enter the foyer of the residence, was he invited in or allowed entrance? That was never mentioned in the report.

He become disorderly because he was yelling his opinion, that ******* was racist. Sounds like freedom of speech.
Now Obama does have freedom of speech as well, but what he says is scrutinized due to his position in our Country. Just like when Police officers say things, they are also scrutinized, and again because a position chosen to take.
The average joe citizen has chosen not to take a position of like this, therefore I believe has the right to say anything they wish, so long as it does not cause a riot or entice the public into illegal acts, or crimes.

Last but not least, there is no need to call people names, we all have difference on opinions and should be professional! If you feel I am wrong, then you have the right to clarify my comments or deliver your point of view.

08-07-2009, 02:31 AM
Chaching
LAWSUIT AGAINST THE SGT AND THE DEPARTMENT!
Hope Gates wins big time since ******* was WRONG for doing what he did, or the charges would not have been dropped.
CHACHING

08-07-2009, 03:34 PM
If you were in your HOME and someone came by to investigate a Burglary, after you told them that this was your HOME, is there any other reason to remain? Is the officer not Trespassing at this time?

The officer does not know who lives there or does not. The man inside said it was his home. The officer should have stepped back, and if he was still concerned then set up a perimeter on the property, then further questioned the Homeowner and ask for an ID. Once the ID was produced, there is nothing else to say or do. The Officer now has no further right to remain on the Private Property.

The constitution allows one to speak their opinion, and since written has not changed to include racial remarks, therefore if anyone was racist, it's not illegal!

Point of the story, they were both at fault but the officer exerted his powers of arrest to make a point.
Gates should still be facing charges and the officer should have been reprimanded. As for Obama, he should be ousted from office!

But then this is my opinion!

Read the report before you start typing, Jack4$$

Because you started out with a question, I will give you the answer. It is apparent that you are not a police officer. I am very aware, as a police officer with over 30 years ( I am a ranking officer ) that police must know everything. However sometimes we just can't and here's something that will shock you, PEOPLE DO LIE TO US! Now, when responding to a call of a burglary, in progress, the officer is responding to a FELONY, and more then likely the perpetrator or suspect will have a weapon ( a weapon isn't always a gun or knife, it could be a crowbar, screwdriver or anything you would think a burglar would have ). Now once an officer made contact with Gates, ( the city of Cambridge is quite large, no one, knows everyone ) he MUST consider him the suspect and ARMED. Just because the mane ( Gates ) said he lived there doesn't mean he did. No cop would be silly enough to say OK and walk away. Further, once you make contact with a person in the performance of your duty, you never,ever,ever, allow them out of your sight and control until they have satisfied you that they are not a threat. Walking into the kitchen, uuuuhhhmmmmm, where do you keep all your steak knives? Where do you keep your knives, rolling pins, other things that could be used as a weapon. Go into any kitchen in America, you will find two things, the junk drawer and knives! I understand that you get your police training from television and movies, not a jab, but it is true. Television is fantasy, setting up a perimeter is not feasible not best practice. The officer needed valid identification that Gates belonged in the home. If Gates would have done so, the officer would have walked away and that would end this story. Gates acted the fool, yelling and screaming at the officer, because it was GATES how got his feelings hurt when 1) the officer did not recognize Gates as a Harvard Professor 2) That Gates is normally the one that is in a position of authority and did not know how to react to someone giving him an order, justified or not. Gates continued his diatribe to the point he was causing a disturbance outside, causing on lookers and others to gather, hence causing a public nuisance. Now, would I have arrested Gates??? I don't know I wasn't there. Did Gates act properly and respectful??? Probably not, but I wasn't there. I do agree with you regarding the arrest and Obama staying out of it, regarding the officer, no. He acted properly and according to practices. The courts should have determined guilt or innocence. If Gates felt he was violated, he should file a complaint and it will be investigated.

08-08-2009, 12:07 PM
I handled a burglary once where two guys were seen climbing through a window. I could see one guy coming toward the front door and when he popped outside, I ordered him to put his hands on his head and turn around. He complied and I patted him for weapons and found none. The whole time, he said he lived there. He had no ID, but I found a social security card and who would have guessed, a student ID from a local college. Funny thing is they don't put your home address on either, so I had no way to verify his residency. Oh ya, he had a cell phone, but he didn't have a high up job that made him feel like he could ignore the commands and just call demanding a chief of police to thwart my investigation. Well, I detained him and when my backup arrived, we checked the house and found the second guy in it with two firearms. The yoyo I met outside left his with his friend. The investigation revealed that neither lived in the house and they were there to burglarize it. Did I mention that the gentlemen were black and because of which, I must have been a racist for protecting the property of... Oh wait, the homeowner was black too. Damn, what the hell does that make me??? I guess a survivor because the guy inside was aiming at the wrong corner of the room when I came up behind him and spared his miserable life.

Call me cracker, call me racist I don't care. ******* did screw up for not detaining the professor sooner until it was positively verified that the house was not burglarized. Under the Carroll doctrine, he would have had more than enough reason. There is only one acceptable way to respond to a call like this and a loud racist black man yelling because the responding officer is white, or an "Uncle Tom" black man does not alter that proper techniques we should use. That hang up is on him and only him. He can sue me later, but I will face the man in the mirror knowing I was the righteous one.

Blue Moon huh? Good one indeed!

08-08-2009, 09:34 PM
Carroll doctrine? are you for real?

08-09-2009, 05:27 AM
All I know is that the BLACK SERGEANT on the scene, said on live TV, he would have arrested the professor also. Case closed, move on to something relevant . Besides, the senile old professor now says he can get *******'s kids into Harvard.

08-11-2009, 01:47 AM
Well just goes to show that a 30 yr. Hill Street Blues watching cop wanna be is just as smart as ******* when it comes to not knowing what the hell he is talking about.

Like the other poster said the Carol doctrine?
You have no more idea what the h+ll Carol is about then ******* does.
Oh, the 30 yr anniversary of that decision is next year by the way.

You should have had that in you academy class 30 yrs ago officer. Should have really stuck in your mind.
Of course one would have to have attended an academy in the first place.
Oh and you are a racist, low brow knuckle dragging caveman.

08-11-2009, 07:45 PM
I handled a burglary once where two guys were seen climbing through a window. I could see one guy coming toward the front door and when he popped outside, I ordered him to put his hands on his head and turn around. He complied and I patted him for weapons and found none. The whole time, he said he lived there. He had no ID, but I found a social security card and who would have guessed, a student ID from a local college. Funny thing is they don't put your home address on either, so I had no way to verify his residency. Oh ya, he had a cell phone, but he didn't have a high up job that made him feel like he could ignore the commands and just call demanding a chief of police to thwart my investigation. Well, I detained him and when my backup arrived, we checked the house and found the second guy in it with two firearms. The yoyo I met outside left his with his friend. The investigation revealed that neither lived in the house and they were there to burglarize it. Did I mention that the gentlemen were black and because of which, I must have been a racist for protecting the property of... Oh wait, the homeowner was black too. darn, what the hell does that make me??? I guess a survivor because the guy inside was aiming at the wrong corner of the room when I came up behind him and spared his miserable life.

Call me cracker, call me racist I don't care. ******* did screw up for not detaining the professor sooner until it was positively verified that the house was not burglarized. Under the Carroll doctrine, he would have had more than enough reason. There is only one acceptable way to respond to a call like this and a loud racist black man yelling because the responding officer is white, or an "Uncle Tom" black man does not alter that proper techniques we should use. That hang up is on him and only him. He can sue me later, but I will face the man in the mirror knowing I was the righteous one.

Blue Moon huh? Good one indeed!

Hey, I saw this same episode! :P :P

08-11-2009, 09:31 PM
Well just goes to show that a 30 yr. Hill Street Blues watching cop wanna be is just as smart as ******* when it comes to not knowing what the hell he is talking about.

Like the other poster said the Carol doctrine?
You have no more idea what the h+ll Carol is about then ******* does.
Oh, the 30 yr anniversary of that decision is next year by the way.

You should have had that in you academy class 30 yrs ago officer. Should have really stuck in your mind.
Of course one would have to have attended an academy in the first place.
Oh and you are a racist, low brow knuckle dragging caveman.Shut Up! Go back to the 50s where there really was racism so you have something real to complain about.

08-11-2009, 11:27 PM
The bottom line is, the next time Mr. Gates comes in contact with the police, for whatever reason, I bet he has a different attitude. But if not, he'll end up arrested AGAIN. We'll see if this "Professor" has learned anything from this? Im betting no and the next time, President Obama can bail him out. So cry if you must, but he opened his racist mouth and got it shut for him :D

08-12-2009, 10:32 AM
If he is treated the same way he was this time the charges wil be unfounded again and they will be dropped again.

It won't be ******* that is for sure. Seems he can't stand the heat in the kitchen and asked to be moved to another district and shift.
And Move Along, you are just as assinine funny as Police Squads Lt. Frank Drebbin.
In one of the best scenes from that movie, Drebbin is telling the crowd on the street to "Move Along" nothing to see here! Move Along.
All the while behind him a fireworks factory is blowing up with rockets firing all over the area.
Like Drebbin you area either stupid as they come or your just want to ignore the truth and act like there is nothing going on.
My bet is it is both.

Speaking of getting out of trouble. When was the last time you relied on one of your squad buddies to get your rear out of a ringer loud mouth.
I am guessing it is on a weekly bases.

08-12-2009, 02:21 PM
To the above guest, what point are you trying to make ??? You seem to poke at the Sgt, then you poke at "move along" but you dont make a valid point in reference to this topic. You point out what you think is everybody else's views, but its obvious YOU are the type of person who cowers behind the crowds and voices your opinion to whatever group you may be standing with at the time. I agree with "move along", If Mr. Gates keeps his racist views and opinions, he can expect the same outcome next time. He believed he didnt have to follow simple ORDERS so he got what he deserved. There isnt a day go by that I dont get called a racist by some crack dealing thug or my black co-workers get called uncle tom's when we pull over a vehicle with a black driver or arrest some crack dealer. In Florida we have window tint meters and are allowed to stop vehicles based on the suspicision of the tint level being too dark ( we must IMMEDIATELY place the meter on the window and if the tint is of legal limit, we must IMMEIDATELY allow them to leave) however I cant count on both hands and feet the number of times I stop a car and the driver is black and I get called a racist. The window tint level is usually around 1-2% ( darker than what is considered limo tint) and im called a racist. When I remind the genius that I had no way of knowing who is driving the vehicle because the tint was so dark, I usually get the typical "you know what kind of cars WE drive" . I didnt classify anybody as a "we" the racist black driver did. So as the above posts states, cry if you must, when you act like a racist hoodrat thug, you will be treted as one. You know what I be sayin dog, just roll down da screet and be down fo yo crime. Maybe Mr Gates should devote his time to helping them learn how to speak PROPER english instead of spending his time promoting racism.

08-12-2009, 08:21 PM
No I am the kind of "LEO" that has to listen to you "white is right" supposed brother cops b+tch about how the minorities (and female officers) on the department get better treatment then you.
Whether it's moving up in rank, shift, squad or special detail assignments, you are the one who rants about how you get the short end of the stick.
Of course this is never done when a minority officer is around.
I have been doing the job for 25 years jr. and I have seen and heard all before so give it arrest.
(On the west coast of Florida so don't try and make it a regional thing either.)
Here is a little something to mull over.
The out right "I don't give a crap that I'm a racist" are better and easy to deal with.
It is your type who deny and try to fool themselves that they are racist, that I find the must loathsom.
Words like homie, lowrider, and such pour out of your type on a daily bases
In plain simple words, there is nothing worse then a racist who doesn't know that they are one.

Last before you get any idea that I am a minority officer, forget that one.
Irish heritage here pal.

Do yourself a big,big favor when your next forty hour refresher course comes up.
Think about taking community relations as your class.

08-12-2009, 09:26 PM
You seem to have a serious beef with some race but which one? I make no complaints about a white/black/or female being promoted. I get called a racist and just smile when i tell them to press hard, sign here :P ... Fact - Mr Gates was arrested for being a dumbass and if he hasnt learned anything from the expierence, he prob will be again someday. Fact - your whinning is comical because you cant stand it. this website seems to irratate so why do you keep coming here ? ah yes, because you want to inflict your personal racial views and opinions on the rest of the world. Nobody Cares ! He got arrested, get over it :devil:

08-13-2009, 10:18 AM
You seem to believe that you know alot about the incident.

First what is the S.S for being a dunb@ss, and when was it made a crime in that state?

Do you know what his court date is?
Wait skip that one, there is no court date.
THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED!
You kind of keep glazing over that one.

One other thing, how many African-American officers work here at the North Port Police Depaprtment??
(That is the forum your posting on) We have over a hundred sworn officers on our department at this time.
Since you don't work here you may not know that one. But give it a shot anyway.

08-13-2009, 12:36 PM
Let me help the North Port Police here (if that's the NP in southwest Florida). These headline postings are on all sites, not just yours. No one was picking on you, after all they haven't driven through one of your speed traps yet.
Sincerely
Friend from Rotonda.

08-13-2009, 11:03 PM
Getting tired of the double standards. If you are black and you call a white C@#$%er, you should be punished the same way a white would for calling a black a N@#$%er. It is not that way, blacks use that racial slur like its going outta style and when a white uses a racial slur, you would think they were Hitler incarnate. Gates is a joke, Obama is a joke, affirmative action is a joke, Sharpton is a joke and the worst joke of all is "equal rights".

The definition of "equal rights" from Wiktionary: The concept that every person is to be treated equally by the law.

Is that true with the United Negro College Fund? Can a white guy get a scholarship through that fund?

Everyone has either had it happen to them or know someone it has happened too, "Sorry we couldn't hire you, we need to fill our quota of black employees". I am not talking about your local grocery store, I am talking about your fire department, police department and other local government. The law gets violated every day and no one does anything about it.

When blacks were given their rights after fighting so hard, they got them and it was well deserved. The only problem is that after that happened, over time white rights began slipping away more and more. Well, it is time to stand up and fight for our rights back. When you are denied a job because of your skin being white, fight. Sue the racist employer until they are broke. When your white son or daughter gets raped and or beaten by a black person, ensure that it is charged as a hate crime. Write letters to the state attorney until it is charged accordingly.

Lets openly fight for the advancement of the white race just like the blacks do for their race. We deserve it, we are equal to them, they are not better than us.

Don't listen to these Monday morning quarter backers *******, you did a good job. It is unfortunate that our racist pig president and his buddy gates blew this incident up more than it ever had to be. Stay safe out there and do not sacrifice safety due to this racist propaganda BS.

08-14-2009, 11:01 AM
The previous message was brought to you by "The Arian Brotherhood of Hitler."
Thanks Dolph.

It has never hit you once to think that there might be another reason why you don't make the cut?
How about doesn't work well with others for starters.
Or the most obvious of all, mentaly unable to preform the job.

I have seen this over and and over again.

You love to preach personal responcibility to others in what want and get.
You however do not apply that to your own life.
You find it easier and less demanding on yourself to blame someone or something else for your failure to reach your goals.
(People, government, business, etc)

Never, ever think of really trying to advance yourself.
That would mean you would really have to be responcible for what the results turned out to be.
What you are is what you will be unless you better yourself for real.
There is a line from the movie "Caddy Shack" that well applies to you:
"The world needs ditch diggers to."

So unless you want to be digging a hole the rest of your life get off your @ss and better yourself for real.
If not, then shut the h*ll up and keep digging our personal outhouse hole.
If you don't shut up, you are never going to get that hole dug.
All you are do is filling that hole in with the cr@p that keeps come out of your mouth.

NoWhineZone
08-14-2009, 12:41 PM
Isn't it sad how so many people are willing to play Monday morning quarterback. If you recall, there were people that thought that Rodney King had done nothing wrong too. It might help if people saw the whole incident before passing judgement. After being in this profession for many years I can honestly say that the officers I am affiliated with would have treated Mr. Gates the same whether he was black, white, hispanic or oriental. His attitude, behavior, and lack of willingness to cooperate is what determined the outcome.
Kudos to the officer for doing his job. Also to Sgt. ******* thank you for potentially putting your life and well-being on the line every day that you go on duty. People are very quick to judge and criticize and make statements regarding our morals and ethics when law enforcement does something that isn't popular, yet when we save a child from a predator we are heros (no questions asked). Most of these critical people would never be willing to put on the gun and badge and go out to protect complete strangers in the first place!