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Phaedrus11
07-22-2009, 06:41 PM
For those that have nothing else to do today...

http://static.cbslocal.com/station/wfor/files/fdlemiamipd.pdf

07-22-2009, 06:52 PM
Read the first couple of pages carefully. Our Union President almost got several of us arrested. Great Job Armando! Why don't you and Carlos file some more complaints?

07-22-2009, 09:41 PM
CHIEF, why dont you demoted Major Brown immediately. What a back stabbing piece of shit.

07-23-2009, 03:30 AM
Why does the report conclude with the officers needing more training?

14I reports go from 500 to over 3,000. and everyone knows a 14i reports doe not get investigated.

It is obvious from this report that there is a atmosphere of "Intent" and of course officer will not cooperate and point finger,s you would get targeted by this administration.

07-23-2009, 03:47 AM
"Case agents asked the individuals present at the meeting if they had heard whether
supervisors or above ordered officers to bring the crime numbers down or if it was ever
implied to bring the crime statistics down. In response to that question, Colombo stated,
“no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor
implied.” Additionally, Colombo stated that he has never heard of the officers
complaining about the changing of the signals."
Love it! Colombo besides being a office cop, if you had open the little box you have been hiding in you would known "The Titanic" was sinking!! Humpty!

07-23-2009, 03:51 AM
"Case agents asked the individuals present at the meeting if they had heard whether
supervisors or above ordered officers to bring the crime numbers down or if it was ever
implied to bring the crime statistics down. In response to that question, Colombo stated,
“no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor
implied.” Additionally, Colombo stated that he has never heard of the officers
complaining about the changing of the signals."
Love it! Colombo besides being a office cop, if you had open the little box you have been hiding in you would known "The Titanic" was sinking!! Humpty! His name is Kool Aid :devil:

07-23-2009, 04:23 AM
Saavedra said he informed Socorro of the details of the incident and gave him the
report. Saavedra said Socorro advised him that the report was not a 27-theft that was a
28-vandalism. Saavedra said Socorro ordered him to change the report to a 28-
vandalism. Saavedra said Socorro insisted to him that it was a vandalism with a theft
therein and to make it a vandalism. Saavedra said he rewrote the report as a 28-
vandalism as directed by Socorro.

It should be noted that the current copy of the incident report has "Vandalism/Theft"
under type of offense. Saavedra advised that the "/Theft" was added by someone else.
Saavedra said the handwriting and the pen used clearly are different from the remainder
of the incident report. Saavedra said he also noted that a second F.S.S. 812.13 was
added by someone else. Saavedra did not know who added that information to the
report. Saavedra stated that he is aware that a sergeant needs to approve all reports
before they can be submitted. Saavedra stated that the sergeant might have made the
changes.


Victim: ring ring yes hello, There is a hole in my roof and my business had been burgalrized.

911 opertor: I will send a officer right way

(two seconds later, at the scene)

?: Hello I am a commander and what we have here is a TVT trespass with a vandalism with a possible theft our information detective wil handle tis case. Crime scene you ask? eeehh .....

07-23-2009, 10:50 AM
"I have learned to hate all traitors on there is no disease that I spit on more than treachery."

07-23-2009, 02:36 PM
"Case agents asked the individuals present at the meeting if they had heard whether
supervisors or above ordered officers to bring the crime numbers down or if it was ever
implied to bring the crime statistics down. In response to that question, Colombo stated,
“no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor
implied.” Additionally, Colombo stated that he has never heard of the officers
complaining about the changing of the signals."
Love it! Colombo besides being a office cop, if you had open the little box you have been hiding in you would known "The Titanic" was sinking!! Humpty!

Mr. President since after still waiting 3 years and 7 month for a fantasy website that your members have been demanding for in order to directly communicate with you privately and be inform on any current union issues. I would like to address some issues. I want you to know that this is clearly me talking to you!

Mr.President didn't you talk to Colombo before you went to make these criminal allegations at FDLE headquarters of criminal wrong doing?
You sure didn't bring it up before a open union meeting floor. Like many things you do like the bullshit you did with the Sgt exam. But i could address that later with you personally.

Colombo stated, “no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor implied. He didn't even hear of officer complaining of changing signals".

So Let me get the facts straight, You went to FDLE to make these criminal allegations without direct proof that the administration was ordering this. Your sole evidence was our brothers and sisters ( who are paying union members ) hand writing reports that you threw on top of a desk in front of the media. ( at the time a current criminal investigation )Allegations on the same union members as president you took an oath to protect. No evidence of sworn tape or writing statements from officers stating, that they were directly order to do this criminal act. Ok, so armed with these information you went and started a criminal investigation basically on us. With a possible result of our brothers and sisters facing criminal and administrated charges and possibly losing their jobs.

If any wrong doing was discovered I guess then, we has a union would have had to waiste hundreds of thousands of dollars on attorneys fees to defend these same members.

Mr. President do i have to remind you that your priorities to our members are protecting our rights, pay raises, benefits, unity, and moral. What you have created during your tenure has been the opposite. After being here for twenty years i have never seen a union president created so much diversity and distraction from the real issuess. What happen to parity with the fire dept? Concentrate on what is important not what car the chief drives. ( what the **** was that all about?)

Im not going to take credit for this saying from a previous post, but a strongly

"IF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE ENTIRE FOP #20 TOOK A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE NOW FOR THE UNION LEADERSHIP, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IT WOULD EXCEED 80".

"JUST FOR INFORMATION,CAUSE I GUESS YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOU. MORAL IS LOW AND WE ARE NEVER INFORMED ON IMPORTANT ISSUES ESPECIALLY WHEN IT AFFECTS US ALL".

For example you say one thing and do the opposite. I was there in the meeting when you said that we were going to invite and hear both candinates that are running for mayor to our union meeting to get their views. All of the suddenly the following meeting we as a union were endorsing Regalado. Why didn't you just do it fair and let us vote and decide? etc etc I have so much shit that it is not even worth talking about anymore.

Brothers and Sister what is going on here with our union is wrong. Lets be active. Don't waist 20 years to find out what i did.
Recently i was thinking of resigning from our union but then if i did that they will win!

mod if you delete don't worry i have cut and paste.!

07-23-2009, 02:40 PM
Mr. President since after still waiting 3 years and 7 month for a fantasy website that your members have been demanding for in order to directly communicate with you privately and be inform on any current union issues. I would like to address some issues. I want you to know that this is clearly me talking to you!

Mr.President didn't you talk to Colombo before you went to make these criminal allegations at FDLE headquarters of criminal wrong doing?
You sure didn't bring it up before a open union meeting floor. Like many things you do like the bullshit you did with the Sgt exam. But i could address that later with you personally.

Colombo stated, “no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor implied. He didn't even hear of officer complaining of changing signals".

So Let me get the facts straight, You went to FDLE to make these criminal allegations without direct proof that the administration was ordering this. Your sole evidence was our brothers and sisters ( who are paying union members ) hand writing reports that you threw on top of a desk in front of the media. ( at the time a current criminal investigation )Allegations on the same union members as president you took an oath to protect. No evidence of sworn tape or writing statements from officers stating, that they were directly order to do this criminal act. Ok, so armed with these information you went and started a criminal investigation basically on us. With a possible result of our brothers and sisters facing criminal and administrated charges and possibly losing their jobs.

If any wrong doing was discovered I guess then, we has a union would have had to waiste hundreds of thousands of dollars on attorneys fees to defend these same members.

Mr. President do i have to remind you that your priorities to our members are protecting our rights, pay raises, benefits, unity, and moral. What you have created during your tenure has been the opposite. After being here for twenty years i have never seen a union president created so much diversity and distraction from the real issuess. What happen to parity with the fire dept? Concentrate on what is important not what car the chief drives. ( what the fazugie was that all about?)

Im not going to take credit for this saying from a previous post, but a strongly

"IF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE ENTIRE FOP #20 TOOK A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE NOW FOR THE UNION LEADERSHIP, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IT WOULD EXCEED 80".

"JUST FOR INFORMATION,CAUSE I GUESS YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOU. MORAL IS LOW AND WE ARE NEVER INFORMED ON IMPORTANT ISSUES ESPECIALLY WHEN IT AFFECTS US ALL".

For example you say one thing and do the opposite. I was there in the meeting when you said that we were going to invite and hear both candinates that are running for mayor to our union meeting to get their views. All of the suddenly the following meeting we as a union were endorsing Regalado. Why didn't you just do it fair and let us vote and decide? etc etc I have so much shizzat that it is not even worth talking about anymore.

Brothers and Sister what is going on here with our union is wrong. Lets be active. Don't waist 20 years to find out what i did.
Recently i was thinking of resigning from our union but then if i did that they will win!

mod if you delete don't worry i have cut and paste.!

07-23-2009, 02:55 PM
Timba
Mr. President since after still waiting 3 years and 7 month for a fantasy website that your members have been demanding for in order to directly communicate with you privately and be inform on any current union issues. I would like to address some issues. I want you to know that this is clearly me talking to you!

Mr.President didn't you talk to Colombo before you went to make these criminal allegations at FDLE headquarters of criminal wrong doing?
You sure didn't bring it up before a open union meeting floor. Like many things you do like the bullshit you did with the Sgt exam. But i could address that later with you personally.

Colombo stated, “no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor implied. He didn't even hear of officer complaining of changing signals".

So Let me get the facts straight, You went to FDLE to make these criminal allegations without direct proof that the administration was ordering this. Your sole evidence was our brothers and sisters ( who are paying union members ) hand writing reports that you threw on top of a desk in front of the media. ( at the time a current criminal investigation )Allegations on the same union members as president you took an oath to protect. No evidence of sworn tape or writing statements from officers stating, that they were directly order to do this criminal act. Ok, so armed with these information you went and started a criminal investigation basically on us. With a possible result of our brothers and sisters facing criminal and administrated charges and possibly losing their jobs.

If any wrong doing was discovered I guess then, we has a union would have had to waiste hundreds of thousands of dollars on attorneys fees to defend these same members.

Mr. President do i have to remind you that your priorities to our members are protecting our rights, pay raises, benefits, unity, and moral. What you have created during your tenure has been the opposite. After being here for twenty years i have never seen a union president created so much diversity and distraction from the real issuess. What happen to parity with the fire dept? Concentrate on what is important not what car the chief drives. ( what the fazugie was that all about?)

Im not going to take credit for this saying from a previous post, but a strongly

"IF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE ENTIRE FOP #20 TOOK A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE NOW FOR THE UNION LEADERSHIP, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IT WOULD EXCEED 80".

"JUST FOR INFORMATION,CAUSE I GUESS YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOU. MORAL IS LOW AND WE ARE NEVER INFORMED ON IMPORTANT ISSUES ESPECIALLY WHEN IT AFFECTS US ALL".

For example you say one thing and do the opposite. I was there in the meeting when you said that we were going to invite and hear both candinates that are running for mayor to our union meeting to get their views. All of the suddenly the following meeting we as a union were endorsing Regalado. Why didn't you just do it fair and let us vote and decide? etc etc I have so much shizzat that it is not even worth talking about anymore.

Brothers and Sister what is going on here with our union is wrong. Lets be active. Don't waist 20 years to find out what i did.
Recently i was thinking of resigning from our union but then if i did that they will win!

mod if you delete don't worry i have cut and paste.!

Oye quemao si vas a postear mantenlo corto que ya te perdi la honda. Hacy no hay quien te entienda y la proxima vez escribe en latinus o te arroyo con la bicicleta burrus mayoris..jejejejeje

JAVI ORTIZ
07-23-2009, 03:35 PM
"Case agents asked the individuals present at the meeting if they had heard whether
supervisors or above ordered officers to bring the crime numbers down or if it was ever
implied to bring the crime statistics down. In response to that question, Colombo stated,
“no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor
implied.” Additionally, Colombo stated that he has never heard of the officers
complaining about the changing of the signals."
Love it! Colombo besides being a office cop, if you had open the little box you have been hiding in you would known "The Titanic" was sinking!! Humpty!

Mr. President since after still waiting 3 years and 7 month for a fantasy website that your members have been demanding for in order to directly communicate with you privately and be inform on any current union issues. I would like to address some issues. I want you to know that this is clearly me talking to you!

Mr.President didn't you talk to Colombo before you went to make these criminal allegations at FDLE headquarters of criminal wrong doing?
You sure didn't bring it up before a open union meeting floor. Like many things you do like the bullshit you did with the Sgt exam. But i could address that later with you personally.

Colombo stated, “no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor implied. He didn't even hear of officer complaining of changing signals".

So Let me get the facts straight, You went to FDLE to make these criminal allegations without direct proof that the administration was ordering this. Your sole evidence was our brothers and sisters ( who are paying union members ) hand writing reports that you threw on top of a desk in front of the media. ( at the time a current criminal investigation )Allegations on the same union members as president you took an oath to protect. No evidence of sworn tape or writing statements from officers stating, that they were directly order to do this criminal act. Ok, so armed with these information you went and started a criminal investigation basically on us. With a possible result of our brothers and sisters facing criminal and administrated charges and possibly losing their jobs.

If any wrong doing was discovered I guess then, we has a union would have had to waiste hundreds of thousands of dollars on attorneys fees to defend these same members.

Mr. President do i have to remind you that your priorities to our members are protecting our rights, pay raises, benefits, unity, and moral. What you have created during your tenure has been the opposite. After being here for twenty years i have never seen a union president created so much diversity and distraction from the real issuess. What happen to parity with the fire dept? Concentrate on what is important not what car the chief drives. ( what the fazugie was that all about?)

Im not going to take credit for this saying from a previous post, but a strongly

"IF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE ENTIRE FOP #20 TOOK A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE NOW FOR THE UNION LEADERSHIP, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IT WOULD EXCEED 80".

"JUST FOR INFORMATION,CAUSE I GUESS YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOU. MORAL IS LOW AND WE ARE NEVER INFORMED ON IMPORTANT ISSUES ESPECIALLY WHEN IT AFFECTS US ALL".

For example you say one thing and do the opposite. I was there in the meeting when you said that we were going to invite and hear both candinates that are running for mayor to our union meeting to get their views. All of the suddenly the following meeting we as a union were endorsing Regalado. Why didn't you just do it fair and let us vote and decide? etc etc I have so much shizzat that it is not even worth talking about anymore.

Brothers and Sister what is going on here with our union is wrong. Lets be active. Don't waist 20 years to find out what i did.
Recently i was thinking of resigning from our union but then if i did that they will win!

mod if you delete don't worry i have cut and paste.!

Dear Nestor,

Talk about throwing stones at glass houses. If you're so disgusted with the FOP, why are we called every time you get into trouble? Major Gomez knows you're his boy. Writing all this garbage isn't going to get you more overtime. You love to bring drama to meetings. You wanted a special meeting for the Sergeant's exam. It was done. I support a democratic process. The webpage is being worked on. The member (a regular member just like you) that was responsible for that didn't follow up on it. It is being worked on by a professional web designer and should be out soon. The comment of "WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOU" is your comment and doesn't reflect the general membership.

Maybe you're just mad because Major Gomez won't make you the honorary school crossing guard for the Charter School next to Central. When we have a new administration, I will ask them to give you that position.

Your comment about the FOP not focusing on what is important is another farse. Our current union contract has gotten our wages up to par. We haven't had an increase in our healthcare or PENSION contributions. We won in arbritration the light duty/off duty grievance and now the City is appealing that decision because they know they are going to lose. We fought for our sisters that were wrongfully terminated because of their ties to others (talk about disrimination). We won in step four grievance Officer's rights being violated against this vindictive and oppressive leadership. The FOP has fought hard to improve your Officer Bill of Rights which was made law on July 1st of this year. We are fighting for members that have not gotten their correct promotional raises. A grievance was filed on the parrity clause against the City of Miami. You don't call that fighting?

Your statment of All of the suddenly the following meeting we as a union were endorsing Regalado. is also incorrect. It was brought up in a meeting. I was there. Where were you? The interviews of political candidates was performed by the Executive Board. And, once decisions of who was going to get the endorsement, it was brought up to the membership. Just so you know, we had a vote on two endorsements for poltical seats last meeting. I don't know if you were there. But, you really need to get your facts straight.

As far as the 165 page report from FDLE, I read the reports. The bottom line is this department's reporting is at least 27% wrong. And burglaries were under-reported by 40 something percent. By the way, this is only researching 14 information reports. How about:
27m turned into 28 reports?
29 turned into 32,32a or 27 reports?

As a membership we don't want JOE SANCHEZ....Mr FRS like I like to call him. He wanted to take away your 1%. He wanted to take away your 64 points. He wanted to take away your private pension. He gave away our Orange Bowl land to a private corporation while the City is going into financial shambles. Yeah, he would make a great Mayor. TOMAS REGALADO is who we have endorsed. He supported our raises. When we campaigned outside City Hall for our union contract, he is the only one that came out to hear our views and concerns.

Be good Nestor. I look forward in seeing you at our next FOP meeting.

07-23-2009, 03:52 PM
"Case agents asked the individuals present at the meeting if they had heard whether
supervisors or above ordered officers to bring the crime numbers down or if it was ever
implied to bring the crime statistics down. In response to that question, Colombo stated,
“no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor
implied.” Additionally, Colombo stated that he has never heard of the officers
complaining about the changing of the signals."
Love it! Colombo besides being a office cop, if you had open the little box you have been hiding in you would known "The Titanic" was sinking!! Humpty!

Mr. President since after still waiting 3 years and 7 month for a fantasy website that your members have been demanding for in order to directly communicate with you privately and be inform on any current union issues. I would like to address some issues. I want you to know that this is clearly me talking to you!

Mr.President didn't you talk to Colombo before you went to make these criminal allegations at FDLE headquarters of criminal wrong doing?
You sure didn't bring it up before a open union meeting floor. Like many things you do like the bullshit you did with the Sgt exam. But i could address that later with you personally.

Colombo stated, “no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor implied. He didn't even hear of officer complaining of changing signals".

So Let me get the facts straight, You went to FDLE to make these criminal allegations without direct proof that the administration was ordering this. Your sole evidence was our brothers and sisters ( who are paying union members ) hand writing reports that you threw on top of a desk in front of the media. ( at the time a current criminal investigation )Allegations on the same union members as president you took an oath to protect. No evidence of sworn tape or writing statements from officers stating, that they were directly order to do this criminal act. Ok, so armed with these information you went and started a criminal investigation basically on us. With a possible result of our brothers and sisters facing criminal and administrated charges and possibly losing their jobs.

If any wrong doing was discovered I guess then, we has a union would have had to waiste hundreds of thousands of dollars on attorneys fees to defend these same members.

Mr. President do i have to remind you that your priorities to our members are protecting our rights, pay raises, benefits, unity, and moral. What you have created during your tenure has been the opposite. After being here for twenty years i have never seen a union president created so much diversity and distraction from the real issuess. What happen to parity with the fire dept? Concentrate on what is important not what car the chief drives. ( what the fazugie was that all about?)

Im not going to take credit for this saying from a previous post, but a strongly

"IF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE ENTIRE FOP #20 TOOK A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE NOW FOR THE UNION LEADERSHIP, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IT WOULD EXCEED 80".

"JUST FOR INFORMATION,CAUSE I GUESS YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOU. MORAL IS LOW AND WE ARE NEVER INFORMED ON IMPORTANT ISSUES ESPECIALLY WHEN IT AFFECTS US ALL".

For example you say one thing and do the opposite. I was there in the meeting when you said that we were going to invite and hear both candinates that are running for mayor to our union meeting to get their views. All of the suddenly the following meeting we as a union were endorsing Regalado. Why didn't you just do it fair and let us vote and decide? etc etc I have so much shizzat that it is not even worth talking about anymore.

Brothers and Sister what is going on here with our union is wrong. Lets be active. Don't waist 20 years to find out what i did.
Recently i was thinking of resigning from our union but then if i did that they will win!

mod if you delete don't worry i have cut and paste.!

Dear Nestor,

Talk about throwing stones at glass houses. If you're so disgusted with the FOP, why are we called every time you get into trouble? Major Gomez knows you're his boy. Writing all this garbage isn't going to get you more overtime. You love to bring drama to meetings. You wanted a special meeting for the Sergeant's exam. It was done. I support a democratic process. The webpage is being worked on. The member (a regular member just like you) that was responsible for that didn't follow up on it. It is being worked on by a professional web designer and should be out soon. The comment of "WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOU" is your comment and doesn't reflect the general membership.

Maybe you're just mad because Major Gomez won't make you the honorary school crossing guard for the Charter School next to Central. When we have a new administration, I will ask them to give you that position.

Your comment about the FOP not focusing on what is important is another farse. Our current union contract has gotten our wages up to par. We haven't had an increase in our healthcare or PENSION contributions. We won in arbritration the light duty/off duty grievance and now the City is appealing that decision because they know they are going to lose. We fought for our sisters that were wrongfully terminated because of their ties to others (talk about disrimination). We won in step four grievance Officer's rights being violated against this vindictive and oppressive leadership. The FOP has fought hard to improve your Officer Bill of Rights which was made law on July 1st of this year. We are fighting for members that have not gotten their correct promotional raises. A grievance was filed on the parrity clause against the City of Miami. You don't call that fighting?

Your statment of All of the suddenly the following meeting we as a union were endorsing Regalado. is also incorrect. It was brought up in a meeting. I was there. Where were you? The interviews of political candidates was performed by the Executive Board. And, once decisions of who was going to get the endorsement, it was brought up to the membership. Just so you know, we had a vote on two endorsements for poltical seats last meeting. I don't know if you were there. But, you really need to get your facts straight.

As far as the 165 page report from FDLE, I read the reports. The bottom line is this department's reporting is at least 27% wrong. And burglaries were under-reported by 40 something percent. By the way, this is only researching 14 information reports. How about:
27m turned into 28 reports?
29 turned into 32,32a or 27 reports?

As a membership we don't want JOE SANCHEZ....Mr FRS like I like to call him. He wanted to take away your 1%. He wanted to take away your 64 points. He wanted to take away your private pension. He gave away our Orange Bowl land to a private corporation while the City is going into financial shambles. Yeah, he would make a great Mayor. TOMAS REGALADO is who we have endorsed. He supported our raises. When we campaigned outside City Hall for our union contract, he is the only one that came out to hear our views and concerns.

Be good Nestor. I look forward in seeing you at our next FOP meeting.

Well said Ortiz. Put that morally challenged, maligned self centered kiss As$ deviant in his place. Oh and give him a dictionary that way we might have a chance to comprehend what he is trying to say without asking Timba..

07-23-2009, 04:10 PM
Dear Javi we all know your Armandos long time family friend and due boy but alot of us strongly agree on Nestor views. Who is Nestor going to call when he gets in trouble the PBA. A webpage doesn't take 6 month to built. Period! excuses to keep us in the dark.

I think you have forgotten that the F.O.P. jobs and resposibilty is to protect every sworn Officers.

I was present at the F.O.P. meeting when Aguilar said he was going to interview the political candinates at our next regular meetings not behind closed doors. Nestor is right on that. I think your just trying to cloud the facts. No wonder now the meetings are recorded. Like Bunch of kids :devil:

07-23-2009, 04:17 PM
Ortiz you talked about Regalado like he has been a long time police supporter. I guess you never heard him trashing us on his radio show and commission meetings. Rookie

07-23-2009, 05:28 PM
its almost 2010 and we still dont have a website? Kerr tried to do this years ago but, was not supported by those who prefer the dark side of the union.

Ortiz, you say you support a democratic process yet the last FOP elections were kept hush hush so, people like frank and scarola could not have competition and armandos son could re-elect his father.

07-23-2009, 05:47 PM
Good point! there is no democracy here just special interest groups

07-23-2009, 06:05 PM
As far as the 165 page report from FDLE, I read the reports. The bottom line is this department's reporting is at least 27% wrong. And burglaries were under-reported by 40 something percent. By the way, this is only researching 14 information reports. How about:
27m turned into 28 reports?
29 turned into 32,32a or 27 reports?

Ortiz can you please informed us who did that? Was it administration or the police officers? My understanding is it was the Officers. If that's the case the Officer are the ones facing charges.

I clearly remember officers getting arrested for that in Broward.

07-23-2009, 06:26 PM
Wow staaff is out of control attacking the fop there last ditch effort before the end. I heard that one of the commanders in the south is mod 558 thats why these attcks on the fop stay on the board and dont worry nestor they still wont promote you. :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

07-23-2009, 09:52 PM
Brother, the people post bashing the FOP because they are fed up. Nobody likes Timoney but Armando is just as hated. Get your head out of the sand.

07-24-2009, 12:21 AM
Here is the first page of the FDLE report! Its Black and White on the first paragraph. I guess Nestor calls it how he see it.
Is our president clasified as a rat, snitch, or a whistle blower. You be the judge. It did look like he was talking about the administration here. Bottom line looks like he was screwing us over.

INTRODUCTION
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement was contacted by the Miami Police
Department’s Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) President Armando Aguilar with criminal
allegations against members of the Miami Police Department (MPD) regarding their
falsifying of reports and reclassifying reports to downgrade the Uniform Crime Reporting
(UCR) statistics. At the same time, Miami Police Chief John F. Timoney requested that
FDLE conduct an audit of the department’s UCR statistics and procedures

Phaedrus11
07-24-2009, 12:33 AM
The member (a regular member just like you) that was responsible for that didn't follow up on it. It is being worked on by a professional web designer and should be out soon. .

Uh… is this supposed to be me?
If so, I’d be happy to discuss the facts.

07-24-2009, 12:37 AM
Oh you know they are talking about you! javi said it today at central roll call. Thats if you are Lt. Kerr. :devil:

07-24-2009, 02:17 AM
The member (a regular member just like you) that was responsible for that didn't follow up on it. It is being worked on by a professional web designer and should be out soon. .

Uh… is this supposed to be me?
If so, I’d be happy to discuss the facts.Tell us all the facts beak, I mean big bird kerr :snicker:

07-24-2009, 12:04 PM
WHEN WILL TRHE FDL-UBE REPORT COME OUT? I KNOW IT DISCUSSES THE IMPROPER CHANGING OF HAIR GELS!

07-26-2009, 12:14 PM
For those that have nothing else to do today...

http://static.cbslocal.com/station/wfor/files/fdlemiamipd.pdf



Thanks for this post it sums up our police department PERIOD

07-26-2009, 01:03 PM
Mr. President since after still waiting 3 years and 7 month for a fantasy website that your members have been demanding for in order to directly communicate with you privately and be inform on any current union issues. I would like to address some issues. I want you to know that this is clearly me talking to you!

Mr.President didn't you talk to Colombo before you went to make these criminal allegations at FDLE headquarters of criminal wrong doing?
You sure didn't bring it up before a open union meeting floor. Like many things you do like the bullshit you did with the Sgt exam. But i could address that later with you personally.

Colombo stated, “no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor implied. He didn't even hear of officer complaining of changing signals".

So Let me get the facts straight, You went to FDLE to make these criminal allegations without direct proof that the administration was ordering this. Your sole evidence was our brothers and sisters ( who are paying union members ) hand writing reports that you threw on top of a desk in front of the media. ( at the time a current criminal investigation )Allegations on the same union members as president you took an oath to protect. No evidence of sworn tape or writing statements from officers stating, that they were directly order to do this criminal act. Ok, so armed with these information you went and started a criminal investigation basically on us. With a possible result of our brothers and sisters facing criminal and administrated charges and possibly losing their jobs.

If any wrong doing was discovered I guess then, we has a union would have had to waiste hundreds of thousands of dollars on attorneys fees to defend these same members.

Mr. President do i have to remind you that your priorities to our members are protecting our rights, pay raises, benefits, unity, and moral. What you have created during your tenure has been the opposite. After being here for twenty years i have never seen a union president created so much diversity and distraction from the real issuess. What happen to parity with the fire dept? Concentrate on what is important not what car the chief drives. ( what the fazugie was that all about?)

Im not going to take credit for this saying from a previous post, but a strongly

"IF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE ENTIRE FOP #20 TOOK A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE NOW FOR THE UNION LEADERSHIP, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IT WOULD EXCEED 80".

"JUST FOR INFORMATION,CAUSE I GUESS YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOU. MORAL IS LOW AND WE ARE NEVER INFORMED ON IMPORTANT ISSUES ESPECIALLY WHEN IT AFFECTS US ALL".

For example you say one thing and do the opposite. I was there in the meeting when you said that we were going to invite and hear both candinates that are running for mayor to our union meeting to get their views. All of the suddenly the following meeting we as a union were endorsing Regalado. Why didn't you just do it fair and let us vote and decide? etc etc I have so much shizzat that it is not even worth talking about anymore.

Brothers and Sister what is going on here with our union is wrong. Lets be active. Don't waist 20 years to find out what i did.
Recently i was thinking of resigning from our union but then if i did that they will win!

mod if you delete don't worry i have cut and paste.!

Nestor stop it! You are nothing but a crying little piece of chicken crap who is never going to amount to anything. If you don't like the FOP, then get the faguzzie out. We don't need your dues anyway. You're just a crying little ***** anyway.

07-26-2009, 02:02 PM
Mr. President since after still waiting 3 years and 7 month for a fantasy website that your members have been demanding for in order to directly communicate with you privately and be inform on any current union issues. I would like to address some issues. I want you to know that this is clearly me talking to you!

Mr.President didn't you talk to Colombo before you went to make these criminal allegations at FDLE headquarters of criminal wrong doing?
You sure didn't bring it up before a open union meeting floor. Like many things you do like the bullshit you did with the Sgt exam. But i could address that later with you personally.

Colombo stated, “no one above, no chiefs, commanders has ever said to bring the numbers down, nor implied. He didn't even hear of officer complaining of changing signals".

So Let me get the facts straight, You went to FDLE to make these criminal allegations without direct proof that the administration was ordering this. Your sole evidence was our brothers and sisters ( who are paying union members ) hand writing reports that you threw on top of a desk in front of the media. ( at the time a current criminal investigation )Allegations on the same union members as president you took an oath to protect. No evidence of sworn tape or writing statements from officers stating, that they were directly order to do this criminal act. Ok, so armed with these information you went and started a criminal investigation basically on us. With a possible result of our brothers and sisters facing criminal and administrated charges and possibly losing their jobs.

If any wrong doing was discovered I guess then, we has a union would have had to waiste hundreds of thousands of dollars on attorneys fees to defend these same members.

Mr. President do i have to remind you that your priorities to our members are protecting our rights, pay raises, benefits, unity, and moral. What you have created during your tenure has been the opposite. After being here for twenty years i have never seen a union president created so much diversity and distraction from the real issuess. What happen to parity with the fire dept? Concentrate on what is important not what car the chief drives. ( what the fazugie was that all about?)

Im not going to take credit for this saying from a previous post, but a strongly

"IF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE ENTIRE FOP #20 TOOK A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE NOW FOR THE UNION LEADERSHIP, IS THERE ANY DOUBT IT WOULD EXCEED 80".

"JUST FOR INFORMATION,CAUSE I GUESS YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN YOU. MORAL IS LOW AND WE ARE NEVER INFORMED ON IMPORTANT ISSUES ESPECIALLY WHEN IT AFFECTS US ALL".

For example you say one thing and do the opposite. I was there in the meeting when you said that we were going to invite and hear both candinates that are running for mayor to our union meeting to get their views. All of the suddenly the following meeting we as a union were endorsing Regalado. Why didn't you just do it fair and let us vote and decide? etc etc I have so much shizzat that it is not even worth talking about anymore.

Brothers and Sister what is going on here with our union is wrong. Lets be active. Don't waist 20 years to find out what i did.
Recently i was thinking of resigning from our union but then if i did that they will win!

mod if you delete don't worry i have cut and paste.!

Nestor stop it! You are nothing but a crying little piece of chicken crap who is never going to amount to anything. If you don't like the FOP, then get the faguzzie out. We don't need your dues anyway. You're just a crying little . anyway.Screw you Casonovas, Nestor wants to have a boxing match with you. Not for charity and not with gloves. Let's see if you got balls.

07-26-2009, 02:33 PM
Everyone here, do yourselves a favor learn some knowledge and read the FDLE part on commander Whitehead. Then ask yourself, how is this man still here? You have several officers, including Majors, Lieutenants and Sgt. stating that this man changed stats. The day after he gives his sworn statement to FDLE, he resigns. The following day, he returns. Something is very strange. Everyon PLEASE read the FDLE report on Whitehead.

07-26-2009, 05:07 PM
Everyone here, do yourselves a favor learn some knowledge and read the FDLE part on commander Whitehead. Then ask yourself, how is this man still here? You have several officers, including Majors, Lieutenants and Sgt. stating that this man changed stats. The day after he gives his sworn statement to FDLE, he resigns. The following day, he returns. Something is very strange. Everyon PLEASE read the FDLE report on Whitehead.Read it for what? Kathy Rundle already proved she supports police corruption under Timoney. Maybe you should voice your concerns to the Attorney General or the Governor. Good luck :roll:

07-26-2009, 09:07 PM
ALL THE BOSSES WERE CLEARED SO GO SNITCH SOMEWHERE ELSE CRY BABY,L.M.A.O.

08-12-2009, 06:04 AM
LOO CHINO CHIVATOOONNNN!!!!! TE TUVIERON QUE DAR GALLETAZOS PA QUE TE CALLARAS. STOP TALKING SHITZA LOO NOW WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE A CHIVATOOOOONNNN!!! :devil: :devil: :devil:

08-17-2009, 06:25 PM
CHIEF, why dont you demoted Major Brown immediately. What a back stabbing piece of shizzat.
chill benard, you will get his job in due time.

09-01-2009, 02:54 PM
Why does the report conclude with the officers needing more training?