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09-27-2008, 04:02 AM
1 Officer Fired, 2 Sgts, 1 Lt, 1 Capt Suspended 2 Weeks, Deputy Chief, Chief Receive Reprimands


Updated 6:10 p.m.

Tallahassee Police Chief Dennis Jones admits the department was wrong to have initially said Rachel Hoffman got herself killed when the confidential informant was shot in a disastrous May 7 drug bust.

“We were placing most of the blame on Rachel Hoffman. I regret that now,” Jones said Friday. “It made us look like we weren’t taking responsibility for what happened.”

Speaking a day after the release of a harsh internal-affairs report, Jones said he’d suspected early on that there was more to the story than simply Hoffman’s refusal to obey instructions by following two suspected drug dealers to an unauthorized location. But that’s what officers initially told him, he said, and that’s what he told the public.

“I think we were too quick to relate what we knew at the time,” he said.

Within a few days, however, he began to look into the incident and read the officers’ first reports. He realized the department had made mistakes, too.

“That’s when I said, 'Whoa, wait a minute, guys. This isn’t the way we were supposed to be doing it,’” he said.

Hoffman’s family lawyer, Lance Block, said the chief’s comments are a step in the right direction.

“It’s been obvious for five months now that Rachel Hoffman was the victim of negligence by the Tallahassee Police Department, which directly led to her death,” Block said. “So, Chief Jones’ comments are clearly appropriate.”

Jones ordered an internal-affairs investigation three days after Hoffman’s body was found May 9. That investigation found 21 individual violations of nine separate policies.

“I didn’t think it would be so many policies not being followed,” Jones said. ”We have to share in the responsibility.”

Ultimately, however, Jones and other city officials say, it’s the job of the criminal and civil courts to determine exactly who shoulders the most responsibility.

“If there hadn’t been these procedural errors, can you say with any certainty that Rachel wouldn’t have been killed? I don’t think we can,” said Michelle Bono,
assistant to the city manager. “Even in the best of operations, you never know exactly what the outcome will be.”

But Hoffman’s parents and others have contended that she should never have been used as a confidential informant in the first place. Certainly, they say, police should never have let such an untrained novice go alone to meet suspected drug dealers who officers knew had a gun.

Hoffman was also in a court diversion program stemming from an earlier marijuana-possession conviction. Because of that, the State Attorney’s Office should have been notified before Hoffman was recruited as an informant, but that never happened.

“(City officials) say that they want to be held accountable,” said Block. “I think they should admit they are negligent and say they are sorry and ... compensate this family fairly.”

Jones said that Hoffman should have been dropped as an informant early on. From the beginning, she did numerous things that should have made it clear to her main contact, Investigator Ryan Pender, that she wasn’t cut out to be an informant.

“He should have cut her loose then,” Jones said.

As chief, he trusted his staff and didn’t think it necessary to micromanage how confidential informants were used.

“There were assumptions made that people were doing their jobs,” Jones said. “My disappointment is a loss of confidence in those folks.”

Updated 12:27 p.m.

The grand jury that examined the Rachel Hoffman case was instructed in negligence law and could've pursued criminal charges against Tallahassee Police Department officers, but no indictment was returned.

“That issue was before the grand jury and there was no indictment,” said State Attorney Willie Meggs.

Meggs said he had no comment about whether the punishment doled out to the TPD officers was appropriate.
Earlier update

A Tallahassee police investigator has been fired, the chief of police reprimanded and four officers suspended without pay for the botched drug sting that led to informant Rachel Hoffman's death.

The disciplinary actions were announced Thursday afternoon at City Hall before the release of a nearly 200-page Tallahassee Police Department internal-affairs report and a 34-page report from the Attorney General's Office. Police Chief Dennis Jones and City Manager Anita Favors Thompson detailed changes they've made as a result of the findings.

The only person fired was Investigator Ryan Pender, Hoffman's main contact with TPD and the officer who recruited her as an informant after police found drugs in her apartment.

"When we make mistakes, we not only believe we should be accountable for those mistakes, but we are also charged with putting into place whatever it takes to prevent such mistakes from happening in the future," Thompson said.

Lance Block, the attorney for Hoffman's parents, said how the chief disciplines his employees is a department issue.

"What we know is Rachel Hoffman's case was terribly mishandled and we want to see justice, and justice constitutes a public apology and just compensation for the family," Block said.

The attorney general's report found 32 potential violations of TPD's policies and procedures.

The chief of police has been reprimanded by the city manager and told to have stricter supervision from the top down. The deputy chief was also reprimanded.

Four of the 15 officers involved in the sting — Capt. Chris Connell, Lt. Taltha White, Sgt. David Odom and Sgt. Rod Looney — were suspended without pay for two weeks. Connell, White and Odom are being reassigned within the department.
Complacency blamed

Police spokesman David McCranie said the officers' punishments were decided by the chief based on "the totality of the circumstances, the number of violations and the severity."

Internal-affairs investigators cited Pender for nine substantiated violations of policies and procedures, the most of any officer involved.

Pender knew Hoffman had met with a potential suspect outside his control and against direction, according to the internal-affairs report. He was also aware that she'd set up a deal with a suspect without consulting him and that she'd disclosed her confidential-informant status to a suspect.

He'd also allowed Hoffman to go alone in her car to meet two men for the drug deal that resulted in her death, the report said. He let her decide where to put the wire, the recording device and $13,000 in recorded bills. He also allowed the suspects to determine the location of the drug deal.

McCranie said complacency was a major cause of the breakdown.

"All of the officers were trying to do the right thing," he said. "The policies and procedures are in place to protect all of us. You've got to adhere to them to make sure things like this don't happen."

By Thursday afternoon, the officers hadn't been notified in writing of the disciplinary actions against them, according to the Big Bend chapter of the Florida Police Benevolent Association. Once notified, they'll have 15 days to file a grievance. Police-union officials are reviewing the punishments and helping to determine appropriate actions.
Details from May 7

The two reports, both of which have portions blacked out because of a pending murder trial, reveal more of what happened May 7, when the 23-year-old Hoffman was to buy drugs and a gun from two men.

Police lost sight of her, and she was found shot to death in Taylor County 36 hours later. Deneilo Bradshaw, 23, and Andrea Green, 25, are now charged with her murder.

Officers admitted in interviews they didn't know the identity of one of the suspects Hoffman was to bust until she disappeared.

The original location for the planned drug buy was at the Summerbrooke home of one of the suspects' parents. The suspects later told Hoffman to meet them at Forestmeadows Park.

One potential location for the drug sting was the Wal-Mart on Thomasville Road. Both it and the Forestmeadows Park location were crowded with cars and people in the early evening. Using such a site would violate department policy, the report said.

According to the internal-affairs report, the officers should have considered several factors before allowing the deal to happen at Forestmeadows: Traffic was bad northbound on two-lane North Meridian Road after 5 p.m.; the road is lined with tall, shady trees that made aircraft surveillance "useless"; Hoffman was not familiar with the area; and Forestmeadows is a public park with citizens present.

Pender lost track of Hoffman when he turned in at the Meridian Sports Complex instead of following her to Forestmeadows, a half mile away, the report stated. He didn't arrange for someone else to tail her, but he let officers know over the radio she was on her way. Some of the officers later said they thought one of their colleagues was following her.

At 6:45 p.m., the officers at Forestmeadows told Pender they didn't see her. A minute later, Pender lost the signal to Hoffman's wire. At 6:48 p.m., Pender got Hoffman on her cell phone and found out she was headed to Gardner Road. He said he told her to stop following the men and turn around. Pender radioed the other officers to move in immediately. Four minutes later, officers were on Gardner. But Hoffman and the suspects were already gone.

Officer Greg Tucker told internal-affairs investigators none of the officers in his car knew where Gardner Road was until someone gave directions over the radio. He didn't turn on his car's police lights and sirens on his way there.

"I was torn between getting there as fast as I could and not alerting the bad guys until we got there," Tucker said. "At that point we didn't care about the takedown as far as the arrest. We didn't care about the dope. We were going to get our CI back."
'This tragedy'

In his interview with investigators, Pender said nothing Hoffman said or did would've led him to believe she was incapable of conducting a sting.

"Just the opposite," he told investigators. "She was very competent. And her street slang of drug terms used in doing deals — she was very, very good at discussing those over the phone."

At the Thursday news conference, City Manager Thompson expressed her "personal and heartfelt" sympathy to the Hoffman family and friends.

"This incident has not been taken lightly in Tallahassee," she said, "not in our community, not in our government and not by our TPD law-enforcement personnel who share the grief of this tragedy."

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10-06-2008, 07:33 PM
Nobody has the balls to speak up on this????

Deputy Dooley
10-13-2008, 05:52 AM
Nobody wants to state the obvious.. which is...

Rachel Hoffman was a drug dealer. She chose to work for the police knowing the risks. It didnt turn out well. This is reality, not a TV show. If she hadnt been a drug dealer, she would be alive right now. She is responsible for her own death.

10-13-2008, 11:13 PM
Nobody wants to state the obvious.. which is...

Rachel Hoffman was a drug dealer. She chose to work for the police knowing the risks. It didnt turn out well. This is reality, not a TV show. If she hadnt been a drug dealer, she would be alive right now. She is responsible for her own death.


Amen, you have spoke the truth. To bad administration could not step up to the plate and defend their own.

01-24-2009, 03:53 AM
I am the mother of a murdered child. Jennifer Crecente...it's all over google so you can look it up for yourself. You know the suppositions about who Rachel was, who anyone was, is just not for any one of us to say. You never NEVER know the story behind a TV segment. I've gone through the same thing and it is unbelievable that we as parents are simply trashed. Most often this is because people desperately need to separate themselves from us. That way, it could never happen to them. We are the "others" and they are the normal good people. I was a damn good parent, a loving person with an only child. Can we just for a moment stop placing BLAME where what we should do is say a prayer (to whomever we have faith) for all involved? Why are we obsessed with blaming someone?

As a parent I can only begin to scratch the surface of how horribly painful it is to see your child's murder as fodder for the entertainment of people who have NO IDEA how this feels. There is always more to the story than you see. The media is extremely slanted. They aren't evil. I'm friends with many of my local newcasters. But once it goes through the whole process along the way, it becomes a story that just isn't quite right. It is what people choose to see and believe and that is why the media puts it out in that manner.

Give some forgiveness for all. Get involved. Don't dog ANYONE. Just pray for them.

Love to the parents,
Elizabeth Crecente

01-25-2009, 06:55 PM
I am the mother of a murdered child. Jennifer Crecente...it's all over google so you can look it up for yourself. You know the suppositions about who Rachel was, who anyone was, is just not for any one of us to say. You never NEVER know the story behind a TV segment. I've gone through the same thing and it is unbelievable that we as parents are simply trashed. Most often this is because people desperately need to separate themselves from us. That way, it could never happen to them. We are the "others" and they are the normal good people. I was a darn good parent, a loving person with an only child. Can we just for a moment stop placing BLAME where what we should do is say a prayer (to whomever we have faith) for all involved? Why are we obsessed with blaming someone?

As a parent I can only begin to scratch the surface of how horribly painful it is to see your child's murder as fodder for the entertainment of people who have NO IDEA how this feels. There is always more to the story than you see. The media is extremely slanted. They aren't evil. I'm friends with many of my local newcasters. But once it goes through the whole process along the way, it becomes a story that just isn't quite right. It is what people choose to see and believe and that is why the media puts it out in that manner.

Give some forgiveness for all. Get involved. Don't dog ANYONE. Just pray for them.

Love to the parents,
Elizabeth Crecente

My very deepest sympathy to any parent who has ever lost a child regardless of the situation. However, each and ever person is accountable for their own actions in life. There is a BIG difference when a child dies of an illness or circumstance beyond their control. When a person, especially an adult, chooses to invole themself in illegal activites, they are the one ultimately responsible for taking the risk and placing themself in a situation for potential harm. I don't fault TPD, nor parents for this unfortunate event. Don't forget that Rachel started her own path of destruction by the choices she made.

02-13-2009, 05:10 PM
Not just the vice unit but the whole agency should start afresh and anew. Appoint a new chief and make every supervisor a slicksleeve officer. Then go through the list of employees and take only the people with Masters Degrees or above for supervisory positions. I would even suggest making the highest ranks civilians so they don't have a negative attitude toward the public.
Top Priority: Education.
Second Priority: A spirit of progressivism and professionalism.
Third Priority: "Serve" the public with humility.
Fourth Priority: Officer Concerns.

This is the only way to get beyond the ugliness and unprofessionalism and unprogressivism of the past for any agency.

02-13-2009, 09:45 PM
Not just the vice unit but the whole agency should start afresh and anew. Appoint a new chief and make every supervisor a slicksleeve officer. Then go through the list of employees and take only the people with Masters Degrees or above for supervisory positions. I would even suggest making the highest ranks civilians so they don't have a negative attitude toward the public.
Top Priority: Education.
Second Priority: A spirit of progressivism and professionalism.
Third Priority: "Serve" the public with humility.
Fourth Priority: Officer Concerns.

This is the only way to get beyond the ugliness and unprofessionalism and unprogressivism of the past for any agency.

Who asked you, azzhole? You are not in law enforcement and They've kicked you off almost every board in the Tampa Bay area and now you get on here? You are nothing but a cyber-troll. Take your act elsewhere, punk

02-14-2009, 01:54 AM
[quote="highly professional":o8edgqpr]Not just the vice unit but the whole agency should start afresh and anew. Appoint a new chief and make every supervisor a slicksleeve officer. Then go through the list of employees and take only the people with Masters Degrees or above for supervisory positions. I would even suggest making the highest ranks civilians so they don't have a negative attitude toward the public.
Top Priority: Education.
Second Priority: A spirit of progressivism and professionalism.
Third Priority: "Serve" the public with humility.
Fourth Priority: Officer Concerns.

This is the only way to get beyond the ugliness and unprofessionalism and unprogressivism of the past for any agency.

Who asked you, azzhole? You are not in law enforcement and They've kicked you off almost every board in the Tampa Bay area and now you get on here? You are nothing but a cyber-troll. Take your act elsewhere, punk[/quote:o8edgqpr]
I pay taxes in this state and have a voice and an opinion, you halfwitted bigmouth liar. I see problems and I have solutions and you don't like it because you are exposed and your punk-card is pulled so get over it. It's the way of the world, don't you know.

02-14-2009, 02:52 AM
[quote="To Homoprofessional":2f4hqyii][quote="highly professional":2f4hqyii]Not just the vice unit but the whole agency should start afresh and anew. Appoint a new chief and make every supervisor a slicksleeve officer. Then go through the list of employees and take only the people with Masters Degrees or above for supervisory positions. I would even suggest making the highest ranks civilians so they don't have a negative attitude toward the public.
Top Priority: Education.
Second Priority: A spirit of progressivism and professionalism.
Third Priority: "Serve" the public with humility.
Fourth Priority: Officer Concerns.

This is the only way to get beyond the ugliness and unprofessionalism and unprogressivism of the past for any agency.

Who asked you, azzhole? You are not in law enforcement and They've kicked you off almost every board in the Tampa Bay area and now you get on here? You are nothing but a cyber-troll. Take your act elsewhere, punk[/quote:2f4hqyii]
I pay taxes in this state and have a voice and an opinion, you halfwitted bigmouth liar. I see problems and I have solutions and you don't like it because you are exposed and your punk-card is pulled so get over it. It's the way of the world, don't you know.[/quote:2f4hqyii]

Hahahaha I saw this pos trolling St Pete P.D. board (a few up) all over it harrassing, stirring whatever. Get a life you little pos or your mommy will take away your computer. You aint no cop, you just try to stir up shit you whacked out little puss.

02-16-2009, 07:12 PM
[quote="To Homoprofessional":2nebzcko][quote="highly professional":2nebzcko]Not just the vice unit but the whole agency should start afresh and anew. Appoint a new chief and make every supervisor a slicksleeve officer. Then go through the list of employees and take only the people with Masters Degrees or above for supervisory positions. I would even suggest making the highest ranks civilians so they don't have a negative attitude toward the public.
Top Priority: Education.
Second Priority: A spirit of progressivism and professionalism.
Third Priority: "Serve" the public with humility.
Fourth Priority: Officer Concerns.

This is the only way to get beyond the ugliness and unprofessionalism and unprogressivism of the past for any agency.

Who asked you, azzhole? You are not in law enforcement and They've kicked you off almost every board in the Tampa Bay area and now you get on here? You are nothing but a cyber-troll. Take your act elsewhere, punk[/quote:2nebzcko]
I pay taxes in this state and have a voice and an opinion, you halfwitted bigmouth liar. I see problems and I have solutions and you don't like it because you are exposed and your punk-card is pulled so get over it. It's the way of the world, don't you know.[/quote:2nebzcko]

I'd guess you're one of those people that believe if they give one cent (in your case ½ a cent) they deserve a say? Well if you don’t have city electricity or own land in the city limits you don’t have a SAY! Go back to smoking your weed and playing dungeons and dragons and leave this to the grown-ups!

02-16-2009, 07:18 PM
Updated: TPD chief: We shouldn’t have blamed Rachel Hoffman?

From what I've read this girl was an idiot. I hate it that she was killed but you wonder, for some people how did they live long enough to become adults? From what I’ve heard and read, this girl was not a saint and even as bad as this was with TPD she doesn’t deserve to be made into a hero!

04-03-2009, 08:24 PM
Not just the vice unit but the whole agency should start afresh and anew. Appoint a new chief and make every supervisor a slicksleeve officer. Then go through the list of employees and take only the people with Masters Degrees or above for supervisory positions. I would even suggest making the highest ranks civilians so they don't have a negative attitude toward the public.
Top Priority: Education.
Second Priority: A spirit of progressivism and professionalism.
Third Priority: "Serve" the public with humility.
Fourth Priority: Officer Concerns.

This is the only way to get beyond the ugliness and unprofessionalism and unprogressivism of the past for any agency.

BS - Education does not make everything better you bookworm! Get in the real world....pin on a badge, strap on a gunbelt and get to work...you'll see the real world after that. Your other "priorities" are phony baloney BS feel good hippie pot smokin' crap. Cops do damn good jobs everyday.

05-01-2009, 12:40 AM
Not just the vice unit but the whole agency should start afresh and anew. Appoint a new chief and make every supervisor a slicksleeve officer. Then go through the list of employees and take only the people with Masters Degrees or above for supervisory positions. I would even suggest making the highest ranks civilians so they don't have a negative attitude toward the public.
Top Priority: Education.
Second Priority: A spirit of progressivism and professionalism.
Third Priority: "Serve" the public with humility.
Fourth Priority: Officer Concerns.

This is the only way to get beyond the ugliness and unprofessionalism and unprogressivism of the past for any agency.

BS - Education does not make everything better you bookworm! Get in the real world....pin on a badge, strap on a gunbelt and get to work...you'll see the real world after that. Your other "priorities" are phony baloney BS feel good hippie pot smokin' crap. Cops do darn good jobs everyday.
I NEVER EVER said cops dont do a good job. A majority do. There is no denying that everything is better with more education and training whether you're managing a restaurant or investigating crime.

05-01-2009, 04:34 PM
[quote="highly professional":33wzf6q9]Not just the vice unit but the whole agency should start afresh and anew. Appoint a new chief and make every supervisor a slicksleeve officer. Then go through the list of employees and take only the people with Masters Degrees or above for supervisory positions. I would even suggest making the highest ranks civilians so they don't have a negative attitude toward the public.
Top Priority: Education.
Second Priority: A spirit of progressivism and professionalism.
Third Priority: "Serve" the public with humility.
Fourth Priority: Officer Concerns.

This is the only way to get beyond the ugliness and unprofessionalism and unprogressivism of the past for any agency.

BS - Education does not make everything better you bookworm! Get in the real world....pin on a badge, strap on a gunbelt and get to work...you'll see the real world after that. Your other "priorities" are phony baloney BS feel good hippie pot smokin' crap. Cops do darn good jobs everyday.
I NEVER EVER said cops dont do a good job. A majority do. There is no denying that everything is better with more education and training whether you're managing a restaurant or investigating crime.[/quote:33wzf6q9]

HP is a little white worm. He is a troll who lives the "alternative lifestyle" :wink: His main function, when not flippin burgers is to get on this site and harrass leo's. He's infected several other dept. sites but seems to really like SPPD (St Pete) along with his alter ego "bunny" If you ignore him, he will go away after awhile

05-29-2009, 12:50 PM
Give Ryan Pender his job and life back. That is what he deserves. He was the fall guy and she was a drug dealer that didn't follow procedure.

06-30-2009, 08:18 PM
Give Ryan Pender his job and life back. That is what he deserves. He was the fall guy and she was a drug dealer that didn't follow procedure.

He should stay fired and also be sued by every narcotics detective in Florida as punishment for this law we have to follow now.

07-06-2009, 11:42 PM
Give Ryan Pender his job and life back. That is what he deserves. He was the fall guy and she was a drug dealer that didn't follow procedure.


He and the entire chain of command involved in this deal should have been fired. They were all in way over their heads. What a crap location for a deal of that size? don't get me wrong rachel was a criminal but come on you pudtz that was so not the right deal for her.

P.S. thanks for the new law you keystone cops got created. NICE

07-09-2009, 10:58 PM
I guess you're all too chicken to talk about this case on here. Or maybe you're all just so arrogant you're doomed to repeat your mistakes again.

Either way you guys are a half azz po dunk agency.

07-10-2009, 02:33 AM
Another wanna be. Get a copy of the 200 page report (hint: its on line with TDO.com) and then come back to talk. Anytime you wanna come to Tally and hit the DT mats at Pat Thomas, give us a call. :snicker:

07-10-2009, 10:00 PM
Another wanna be. Get a copy of the 200 page report (hint: its on line with TDO.com) and then come back to talk. Anytime you wanna come to Tally and hit the DT mats at Pat Thomas, give us a call. :snicker:


Great now you threaten ME with physical violence!. I bet you would like to get me down on the mat at the academy so you could have your way with me(homosexually).

What kind of a two bit excuse for a modern metro department do you people have up there?

08-06-2009, 09:22 PM
I feel a lot better about things now that we find everyone complying with the administration's orders not to participate in this unprofessional topic. Half the people are loyal to the Chief and comply. The other half comply because they know they will be fired if they pipe off about this anymore.

08-16-2009, 11:39 AM
I feel a lot better about things now that we find everyone complying with the administration's orders not to participate in this unprofessional topic. Half the people are loyal to the Chief and comply. The other half comply because they know they will be fired if they pipe off about this anymore.

Sooo how is the "chief" gonna find out who discusses what on this board? I would bet a month of paychecks the guys that created this site would not allow the posters URL addresses to be given out and good luck getting an investigative subpoena for that one pal. Go spew your ignorant jibberish on another board ***douchebag***

12-13-2009, 04:20 AM
She was dealing X, marijuana, and cocaine in Tally. She got caught severla times and was on probation and was a convicted felon. She CHOSE to work as am informant and during a deal she CHOSE to deviate from the plan and not communicate with police. Had she CHOSEN to not be a felon drug dealer none of this would have happened.
The only thing Tally did wrong was recognize that she was a total idiot and not a good CI.
I almost NEVER take young females on as CI's becuase in most cases they are more trouble than anything and a total liability.

12-13-2009, 06:08 PM
"She was dealing X, marijuana, and cocaine in Tally. She got caught severla times and was on probation and was a convicted felon. She CHOSE to work as am informant and during a deal she CHOSE to deviate from the plan and not communicate with police. Had she CHOSEN to not be a felon drug dealer none of this would have happened.
The only thing Tally did wrong was recognize that she was a total idiot and not a good CI.
I almost NEVER take young females on as CI's becuase in most cases they are more trouble than anything and a total liability."

I would like to add that poor drug dealing rachel got herself killed. Had this so called angel not been dealing drugs and dont give that she was trying to fit in and got messed up with the WRONG crowd crap. She made bad choices and the end she is six feet under. Oh well all blame on drug deal goes bad and her family can finally realize that rachel was a low life pos drug dealer from what I have read IMHO. Stop trying to sue everybody and just get a life.

12-20-2009, 08:35 AM
[quote="highly professional":2ieyuhpp]Not just the vice unit but the whole agency should start afresh and anew. Appoint a new chief and make every supervisor a slicksleeve officer. Then go through the list of employees and take only the people with Masters Degrees or above for supervisory positions. I would even suggest making the highest ranks civilians so they don't have a negative attitude toward the public.
Top Priority: Education.
Second Priority: A spirit of progressivism and professionalism.
Third Priority: "Serve" the public with humility.
Fourth Priority: Officer Concerns.

This is the only way to get beyond the ugliness and unprofessionalism and unprogressivism of the past for any agency.

BS - Education does not make everything better you bookworm! Get in the real world....pin on a badge, strap on a gunbelt and get to work...you'll see the real world after that. Your other "priorities" are phony baloney BS feel good hippie pot smokin' crap. Cops do darn good jobs everyday.
I NEVER EVER said cops dont do a good job. A majority do. There is no denying that everything is better with more education and training whether you're managing a restaurant or investigating crime.[/quote:2ieyuhpp]


Listen Professor, your one of those who thinks a college degree is a thing of honor. Well, your wrong. It means that you test well and had the coin to go to college. Law is common sense. And from the classes I have had in college, common sense was an alien concept. Give me a partner with a DD 214, and stick your education. Now go away and grade your papers and let the useful people who keep you safe alone.

12-20-2009, 08:49 AM
I feel a lot better about things now that we find everyone complying with the administration's orders not to participate in this unprofessional topic. Half the people are loyal to the Chief and comply. The other half comply because they know they will be fired if they pipe off about this anymore.

You better tell the jefe, that the United States Constitution, which he swore to up hold and protect, trumps his BULL SHlT order to keep quiet. And if he tries to punish anyone for speaking, he better have a big bank account, as well as TPD itself better have deep pockets. And maybe a gofer can read him the Bill of Rights. Seems they suspended the wrong people. Cops swear to uphold, serve, and protect the constitution. No where in the oath do we give up our rights.

12-20-2009, 08:55 AM
Another wanna be. Get a copy of the 200 page report (hint: its on line with TDO.com) and then come back to talk. Anytime you wanna come to Tally and hit the DT mats at Pat Thomas, give us a call. :snicker:


Great now you threaten ME with physical violence!. I bet you would like to get me down on the mat at the academy so you could have your way with me(homosexually).

What kind of a two bit excuse for a modern metro department do you people have up there?


That why your crusing these cop blogs aren't your bruce? That your big dream isn't it? Well, just cause mommie and daddy do not "accept" your life style, no need to try and get the "love" you crave on line. Try the San Francisco or Key West Blogs Bruce, and good hunting.

01-19-2010, 02:48 AM
I cant speak as to the details of this case but I can tell you it has affected narcs nation wide. We took notice of the ridiculous law FL passed.
I almost never deal with young female informants, most are stupid, and cant follow even the most simple instructions.
I had our county attorney draft a 3 page waiver and memorandum of understanding for all new CI's. Its notarized and witnesses by 2 agents prior to them doing anything outside of the office.
This law only hurts the citizens who are going to suffer from the lack of drug enforcement.

01-23-2010, 03:07 AM
Why anyone would want to be a cop in that piece of sh*t town of Tallahassee amazes me.

Don't get me wrong, the PD is great. But the whiners and know it all college types who have never had to fight a bad guy amaze me. I read that god awful news paper and the lack of appreciation for you guys in the blogs and articles are astounding.

Stay safe....

01-28-2010, 02:10 AM
I was not the person who had the badge or gun. I grew up in a family of law enforcement people, stayed married to someone in law enforcement for 25 years until divorce and many more in the family have chosen that career path.

My perspective on this situation is the combination of being a civilian having knowledge of law enforcement, as well as being a parent myself. I am sorry for the parents of Rachel Hoffman in the loss of their daughter. Especially to parents,the loss of a child is a painful and traumatic experience no matter what the circumstances, but there are always more family members hurt too, so let's not forget those folks as well.

The "Rachel's Law" however, is one of the most ridiculious laws passed in the State of Florida. Let's start by placing the blame where problems originate, which is the parents. If you had an open line of communication with your daughter as you should have, it was up to YOU to get that young lady the help she needed to stop using as well as selling drugs, so you failed. If you had been truly concerned about Rachel, as many times as she had been arrested before, why were you not taking any corrective action and screaming to the top of your lungs for "changes to the system" until she died?!?!? Laws should be passed that are pro-active to prevent these tragedies, not reactive, so I blame the Florida Legislative System as well for this situation. It's absurd to find fault with TPD, or any other police agency who is unfortunate enough to get involved in a situation, where if people would have been more responsible for their OWN actions....they would have never met!