traffic position

I SEE THERE IS A TRAFFIC POSITION COME OPEN,I WONDER WHO IS THE FAVOURITE OF THE MONTH WITH ADMIN TO GET THIS POSITION OR IS IT A GIMMICK TO KEEP M.B IN LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.[/i]

What a crock of a post. Why don't you go find the answer out while you are at work before you post a b.s. post like this that makes you look like an as_. If we only know who you are...Oh wait.....

I think it will be a fair process, if you want the position just put your memo in. :roll:

Ok, I know it is his position for the taking. Lets see, go back to patrol as an officer or stay in Traffic as a Cpl. Come on this is another policy change for one of the boys, no big deal cause it's been going on for years. Look at the last traffic change, it involved the same guy. I like the guy personally, but when is enough enough? We change rules for some, but not others, don't make me quote changes because I will get carpel tunnel synrome typing . The few that have been around know the deal. We'll drop the standard to 1yr on, then make it meets expectation only, then we'll take you while your still on probation for special postions or assignments. I understand the the changes are supposed to be for the greater good of the agency, but when is enough enough? How much longer can officers swallow the trash, until they start throwing up? Our playing field is already tiltled towards city hall and Amedment 1, please help the new guys understand everyone has a fair chance to advance. Otherwise, when the flood gates open, we could lose good people, we only have ourselves to blame. I hope we show a leap of faith and show that we are better that our some reputation. Make it fair and keep it honest.

sounds like the 2nd poster has an axe to grind. "if WE only know who you are...Oh wait...", implies THEY may have a way to find the identity of the original poster. I wonder who WE is and why THEY have a need to identify persons who post on this site? Must have struck a nerve.

He's got his bid sheet and he is coming back. Competition for the position will really be stiff. Word is two or three former traffic types will apply (proven, experienced, THIs, and experts in various areas of traffic).

Isn't "he" going to the motorcycle? I believe that vacant spot will be open for all takers.

The whole rotation policy is stupid anyway! Wait your turn until you get the position and then do well enough to stay in it. Why should 344 come out? Why should Tippet have to rotate? Why should any of the top tier CIS have to unlearn everything they have learned......talk about wasting money, maybe City Hall should look at retraining costs and officer investment instead of our cars.

Well said Jingo. I agree that the rotation is not only a joke, but a huge waste of money. How much does it cost to retrain these people? We train detectives to solve major homicides, send them to thousands of dollars worth of schools only to send them back out to investigate "lost cell phones" from the wal-mart parking lot? Same with all of the other specialized units. Nobody wants to be a motorcycle officer, we have seen that by the last two postings where only 2 people put in for it. The first two didn’t even want to do it after a year. With the heat, no A/C and screwed up hours who would want it? But we will force off somebody who loves it. Narcotics and K9 are other jobs that have a long curve to become good at. Just about the time the detectives and handlers figure out whet they are doing, time to go.

How is it that the admin is unable to see that this rotation is a huge waste of resources as well as a big morale buster? In the last 10 years how many people have actually been FORCED to rotate out of a position? Instantly only two or three come to mind. I am sure there are some that I forgot, but compare that to the 30 or so that have left voluntarily! We don't need a rotation; people leave these jobs on their own. Bingnear and LOBO both bailed on the motorcycle 3 years before they had to. We got a girl in narcotics with less than a year in the unit that put in to be a DARE officer. Two other narcs bailed inside of two years to go to other specialized positions and one just got out to go back to mids. Now I think he is back in his second try as an SRO. Big Country is moving out of state, his partner put in for another unit as well. It's just the way it is. It is so counterproductive to continue this practice and goes against every principle of employee management that there is. You do not take a person out of a job that they love doing and are good at, just for the hell of it. If they get burnt out, lazy or just are not able to perform then they must go. But to take a person out of a job that benefits the agency and the citizens as well as their personal enjoyment is nuts.

When you look at all the BS we get from every other sector of the world (cops in general I mean) all we really do this job for is the pure enjoyment. It damn sure isn't for prestige or money as it just is not here. It is because we truly enjoy what we do. It makes our life better. Our life with our families, our spouses and our kids are better because we get love to go to work and love to come home! That is what makes an employee happy. How would our sergeants like it if we posted for a whole new batch every 5 years? Oh, but that's not the same thing right? Wrong, it is the EXACT same thing. They are trained to do a job, just like the people with special duties and positions. So, if we're going to do it, let’s do it all the way. I say we take all of the sergeants with more than 5 yrs in grade and put them back on patrol and post for some new blood. This will give them excellent experience to bring to the patrol force and make them a better patrol officer. Isn't this why you rotate us? Talk about boosting morale! Give people an opportunity to move up and better themselves. That's the point of this whole rotation right?

Another problem with this joke of a rotation is how it undermines itself. Allegedly, the whole purpose of it is to give patrol officers a broad range of knowledge to take back to the road with them. The problem is that a lot of these people will never see patrol again once they get into a specialized position. Do you realize that we have some sergeants that actually spent less than 2 yrs as a patrol officer? That’s it. Went from specialized position to specialized position and then got promoted. We have all seen how easy it is for a callophobe (someone with a fear of working patrol) to jump from unit to unit and avoid puting a uniform on ever. Hey admin, you want to put some teeth into your rotation policy try this:

If you bail on any position early, you MUST finish the balance of your time you owe in patrol before you can put in for anything else. It is that simple. You decided you really want to be a detective, traffic cop, narc whatever and its a 5 year deal. When you decide 18 months into it that you want to put in for something else you go back to the road for 4.5 years. That would really make people think long and hard about puting in for everything just to get out of a cruiser! And I am not even going to get on the subject of people who put in for everything……that is a whole other topic!

Sorry for the rant……stay safe……..Snipers Fire at Will!!

Oh…Don’t tell me to “Just leave” I like it here ?

I agree with your post, dump the rotation for the vital specialized positions. Look at small agenicies like Treasure Island or larger like SPPD or PCSO. No rotation issues, they stay until they decide to rotate or their performance is so bad they get replaced. At our agency you get trained when you get in a unit, learn how to do your job, become effective, then get rolled back to patrol. This is a waste of training, experience, and agency funds. Can someone find the other agencies rotation policies so we can compare who does what. I have a feeling we are the exception to the rule.

I agree with 80 percent of your post, the rotation policy should go and most of your reasons were valid. However, then you showed your personal disdain for a few individuals who you feel are not worthy to be supervisors, or in specialized assignments because they don't meet your lofty standards. Stick to your arguement on the rotation policy and leave your personal attacks out of it and you would be sitting pretty right now as somewhat intelligent.

The last part of your arguement about making people go to patrol if they left their assignment early would also lead to many people staying in an assignment that they found out they simply didn't like. I don't blame people who take a position thinking it was going to be something it wasn't or expecting to like it only to find out it they didn't. Your plan would cause officers to stay in a position they don't care for, cause them low morale and likely lead to performance issues and more importanly it keeps someone who may be good at it and love it from getting into the position. Most have thought long and hard about it before putting in for positions but simply find they liked patrol better. Also, positions have a tendency to come open when they perhaps were not expected to come open for another several years. If an officer really wanted to do a specific job during their career, that may be their only chance to do it. I have no problem with the competition, why do you? Or is that part of the problem.

Oh one last thing, I don't think for one minute that officers assigned to specialized assignments are afraid to go back to patrol. For you to make that statement shows a level of arrogance that causes you to lose all credibility on the 80 percent of your post that makes sense. We all start in patrol, and most in specialized assignments (It should be all) excelled in patrol work. To think for some reasons they are now afraid to go back is a junk argument and one your don't need to make to make your point.

Before you question one’s percentage of intelligence by dissecting their post you should possibly read it a little better. In typical LEO Affairs fashion you could not wait to make a positive post out to be a negative one. You, again in typical LEO Affairs fashion, wish to stymie someone’s opinions or observations because they are not 100% in line with your own. I actually agree with some things you said. I too thought the same thing about the finishing the balance of your assignment out in patrol. You are right, some people may want a job that just suddenly popped up and that is to be expected. But we do have some serious unit hoppers. This is not meant to be an insult to you, but if you do not know this you either have not been here very long or you just do your job, a good one I am sure, and go home. Either way I respect you! Notice how I am not insulting you, or invalidating your observation. I agree with some of the points you made.

Now, back to you “LEO Affairizing” my post by assuming that I have disdain for certain supervisors. I will not make assumptions about your intelligence; but anyone with a reasonable level should have realized that the post about sergeants was meant to be facetious. No one would ever benefit by changing sergeants every five or six years. I was using it as an example to show how dumb it is to take a person out of a job who has years of experience and training. That’s all. Please do not assume that I hold contempt for our supervisors as I do not. I think my post clearly said that I enjoy working here and like a lot of things about our agency.

For all of you that think we have issues or are alone in the BS family, just click any other agency’s board and do a little reading. It is almost funny! Everyone from Tampa Int’l Airport Police to JAX SO and Miami have the same issues, Same BS. Like Jon Bon Jovi sang……”It’s all the same….only the names change!” In closing, please do not feel that I am attacking you or any supervisors. I am just expressing my opinion, the very thing this board was designed for. I am a nobody / peon in the grand scheme and nothing I say matters anyway. Maybe I just wanted a place to vent!

Stay Safe…..!!

original, I like your posts, they are very informative. I will say that I know of several persons who were or are in specialized positions, who flat out said the only reason they were putting in for another specialized position was to pat their resume or to avoid having to go back to patrol. These persons we could do without, but they are tucked away in our Corporal program and this is a way to avoid having to shag calls. I could give you their numbers, but I wont. I think most know who they are and why they are in the position they are in. I feel bad for the hard working Cpls who get a bad rap for the slackers who are riding out their time. Let's get rid of this Cpl program because only a small handful take reports and the rest act like top brass, calling for zone units to handle a S59. This is not what the program was designed for and it is a waste of money and time. If anyone besides some hardworking Cpls (216 & 360), a Sgt, or member of the admin can come on this board and defend the usefulness of the CPL program, please feel free to explain. What do they do? How many people does it take to read a report? What happened when a Sgt read the reports for a couple of hrs than when X8? How is the Cpl program involved in the manpower issue, when only a handful of Cpls take reports or are remotely involved in calls for service. What a waste of money and service. Let's go back to basics

How did we get back on this subject.

They aren't going anywhere...

Let it go...

Please tell me someone did not post that 216 and 360 deserve to be named best CPL's ever??? Paleeze; 216: The only time I hear from him is via MDC message giving out wrong information or running x18 to work the ICV. When is the last time he worked a call?

And 360, that poor cat could eat some humble pie. I bet if he wasn't so full of himself he would be a few lbs lighter and could be on the cover of men's heatlh magazine. Instead, his ego inflates him to the point he more resembles the Buddist Idol. If you don't believe me, ask him yourself. I'm sure he'll be glad to tell you how great he is. Ask the guys that work with him on that "special" wednesday. Those guys think he's a joke, ask them.

I guess your impression of those two cpls leads us to think in your opinion the other cpls are better or worse than the others? I will not trash anyone by name or number on this site or anywhere, but if you think those guys stink, I'm afraid of what you think of the others. I know who earns my respect and it's none of the others not mentioned. If sucking up and soaking the PD were the criteria, the others would get my vote. I'm glad I haven't heard the old " Cpl so-in-so, can you send a zone unit over here, this S16 is a S4. " for a couple of weeks, but I still hear three or four supervisors out to x58 together while we are going x99 to calls, which still happens. I like hearing others on the radio helping each other out when they are down on reports or if "the unit" arrives first on scene and takes the call. If the Lts and Sgts needed company to read reports or to eat dinner couldn't we just hire someone from day labor to hang out with them or call an escort service, because it would probably be cheaper than the 7% we been paying these Cpls. This program has lost it's luster and purpose. It is becoming a staffing issue and a moral issue.

Hey lets change the subject and talk about this again next week. Cause I bet someone dredges this up again.

Yawn......

any SWAT openings?

Why don’t we put MB and TK in the octagon for three five minute rounds. Here are the rules:

Each contestant must provide an example of why they are better than everyone else.

Each contestant must alternate superiority examples.

One example per attempt.

No repeat superiority examples.

Each example must be confirmed by a witness in the crowd.

This process will continue through each of the five minute rounds until one contestant can no longer continue. In the event there is a tie, the judges will go to the scorecards. In the event there are no judges, a coin toss will determine the winner.

What a crock of a post. Why don't you go find the answer out while you are at work before you post a b.s. post like this that makes you look like an as_. If we only know who you are...Oh wait.....
PL WHEN YOU GET THAT GRUMPY ,WHY DON'T YOU GO AND TAKE A NAP LIKE 2 YEAR OLDS DO.ITS A SHAME THAT IDIOTS LIKE YOU BREATHE AIR.

Wow, that was so full of knowledge and wisdom. Thanks for sharing your opinion.

It is valued. No really it is.

:cop: So, is BM going to be replaced by SG. The amazing this is, SG does no traffic in patrol. So why does he want to go back to traffic? I know, heaven forbid if he gave up those coveted stripes and actually took calls :cop:

SG is your next traffic unit. It’s been done. If you submitted a memorandum, and your name doesn’t rhyme with “hot alley”, sorry about your luck. Anyone who doubts what I say is obviously not off of probation yet. They have to put a corporal in traffic in order to make a corporal opening for MB. Remember the rules…….only 10 corporals allowed………see………still with me? Corporal is not a rank, it’s a billet that stays with the unit or shift, so since MB can’t take it with him the only other option is to make a hole. It’s just a basic 1 for 1 swap. Sounds harmless unless you’re the ex-traffic guy who was the top producer out of the two that will be getting passed over.

Why even post it, if you’re just going to pick one of the "boys" anyway. It would absolutely astonish me if the next person back there was just a cop and not a suck up.

Pretty amazing that certain people get a pay check and avoid work. SG thinks he is the next best thing since Wal-Mart came to Pinellas Park. Yet as the saying goes "People in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks!”

His micro managing techniques suck! He thinks he's a supervisor and the truth is he is not, he is just a corporal. Like many others his head is way too big.

Are you kidding me.

S.G. doesn't have a mean bone in his body. He is one of the most laid back officers on our dept. If he wasn't a Corporal, over you apparently, we wouldn't be having this debate.

Who else are you going to complain about. Let me guess did the Corporal reject a report of yours. That couldn't be, you couldn't have made a mistake, you are perfect.

As far as the traffic position goes, next to R.M. and M.N., he has more traffic experience than anyone else. Why shouldn't he get major consideration.

If you are going to complain, you better come with morethan he rejected your reports. If you are going to knock his character, you better try again, no one is going to buy it.

Get a grip man, no one is perfect....Except apparently you.

Very true, I work under SG and have no issue with the way he checks reports.

In regards to the remark pertaining to experience, very true he does have experience. However doesn’t that undermine the rotation process? The rotation process is in effect in order to allow new people to obtain the experience in these selected positions, if we continue to reselect people with the training and experience how are new people going to gain the these valuable tools.

You make a point, however, I don't think it is fair that once you hold a position you can never go back either.

The way it works now is if you rotate out, and a nother position comes open, they consider you for it and I think the best person for the position should get it. Experience should count. However, longevity does not = experience. I think the position should go to the most active traffic officer with skills, not just the one with skills or who is the most active.

You can have skills and not use them. You can also be active and not have skills.

That is why RM is the best choice. :wink:

Are you kidding me.

S.G. doesn't have a mean bone in his body. He is one of the most laid back officers on our dept. If he wasn't a Corporal, over you apparently, we wouldn't be having this debate.

Who else are you going to complain about. Let me guess did the Corporal reject a report of yours. That couldn't be, you couldn't have made a mistake, you are perfect.

As far as the traffic position goes, next to R.M. and M.N., he has more traffic experience than anyone else. Why shouldn't he get major consideration.

If you are going to complain, you better come with morethan he rejected your reports. If you are going to knock his character, you better try again, no one is going to buy it.

Get a grip man, no one is perfect....Except apparently you.Why should S.G get the position he didn'teven do his time he bailed (if people remember)to take the Corporal position .Why do these people think that when they get tired of one position they can roll in to other.Paleez there"s no-one more experienced than R.M who knows every statue in the book and is best producer in traffic fatalites,tickets ,etc.etc,etc.

I Totally agree with your post ,if people want to get experience they should shag calls to go to crashes instead of porning them of to other people and sitting pretty ,and milking calls like like a lot of people do. :cop:

I like SG and RM, but if this PD puts the guy back in that left early for another position, this will change the unofficial rulebooks. The guy does not know what he wants, except to move up the ladder and take any position that makes his resume look larger. RM fought to stay in his traffic spot and was great at what he did. As a patrol officer, I know when he was working if a crash came out, he would step up without asking. That is what a traffic guy should be doing, stepping up to free patrol to take the calls that special ops does not handle. I know SG is known for being a DUI guy, but how much moving and shaking between positions are we going to take? I know this is falling on deaf ears cause I think SG was put on day shift for the upcoming bid, just in time for MB (who I like too) to roll out of traffic to grab the Cpl spot. Wasn't SG supposed to be on Mids? this smells fishy, eh? People can see the writing on the wall, but please try not to make it so obvious next time.

I think all the candidates current traffic activity needs to be taken into consideration.

I think we will see that those that have left traffic to come back to patrol do less traffic than younger officers who are trying to get into the spot for the first time.

Quantity while in patrol should be taken into account as well.

Ithink your posts are absolutely spot on ,but answer one question why does such a small unit need another cpl, when they already have one on the evening shift . That means one SGTand two cpl .I think T.S does a good job on days they don't another tag along especially when SGT is a day guy.

I like SG and RM, but if this PD puts the guy back in that left early for another position, this will change the unofficial rulebooks. The guy does not know what he wants, except to move up the ladder and take any position that makes his resume look larger. RM fought to stay in his traffic spot and was great at what he did. As a patrol officer, I know when he was working if a crash came out, he would step up without asking. That is what a traffic guy should be doing, stepping up to free patrol to take the calls that special ops does not handle. I know SG is known for being a DUI guy, but how much moving and shaking between positions are we going to take? I know this is falling on deaf ears cause I think SG was put on day shift for the upcoming bid, just in time for MB (who I like too) to roll out of traffic to grab the Cpl spot. Wasn't SG supposed to be on Mids? this smells fishy, eh? People can see the writing on the wall, but please try not to make it so obvious next time.

Very true the writing is on the wall so to speak, why people should be considered if they have left that same unit in the past early. From the writing on the wall SG is padding his resume.

Why would a person go back to a unit he left for stripes?
:roll:

I think all the candidates current traffic activity needs to be taken into consideration.

I think we will see that those that have left traffic to come back to patrol do less traffic than younger officers who are trying to get into the spot for the first time.

Quantity while in patrol should be taken into account as well.


Wow, you mean to tell me people who have left the traffic unit do less traffic. Could that be why they left the traffic unit early?

Well at the end of the day it's in stone on the wall,i just feel sorry for R.M cause we no he is not got a fair chance when there's un-official B.S going on .I wonder if the city manager knows what goes on in there ,well if your face don't fit your sc**wed .Experience ,Honesty,and long service they don;t like .

Well at the end of the day it's in stone on the wall,i just feel sorry for R.M cause we no he is not got a fair chance when there's un-official B.S going on .I wonder if the city manager knows what goes on in there ,well if your face don't fit your sc**wed .Experience ,Honesty,and long service they don;t like .

Well at the end of the day it's in stone on the wall,i just feel sorry for R.M cause we no he is not got a fair chance when there's un-official B.S going on .I wonder if the city manager knows what goes on in there ,well if your face don't fit your sc**wed .Experience ,Honesty,and long service they don;t like .

You all bit** when the CM gets too involved now you want him involved. How contradictory is that. Think before you click submit.

It's very simple, the choosen few are the only one's in the master plan. :devil:

The suspense is killing me, who is the chosen one?

And the winner, selected, chosen, what ever you want to call it is....................................? can someone just make a decision and tell us.....the suspense is toooooo much :roll: .

Please, why bother. It's just another member of the "chosen few" No change at all, why post a position if your just keep selecting the same people. :lol:

I am so glad to be part of the chosen few. Otherwise, I would be miserable, like you.

I am so glad to be part of the chosen few. Otherwise, I would be miserable, like you.

Miserable, not! I'm just not a suck a** :evil:

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.....

With that attitude....enjoy patrol......

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.....

With that attitude....enjoy patrol......

:cop: Patrol is our job, like it or not :cop:

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.....

With that attitude....enjoy patrol......

:cop: Patrol is our job, like it or not :cop:

Sad, if you didn't get the meaning....

By the way... Patrol is your job..... Mine is elsewhere.... However, it will be mine again someday....

KARMA, It's a wonderful thing.

patrol is the backbone of any agency and I am proud to be a part of it. Being in a specialized position is nice and you get exposed to other aspects of law enforcement, but remember at his agency you always go back, or do you? The idiots who come on this board spouting about being in a special postion and telling you to enjoy patrol are most likely the ones who put in for anything special to avoid shagging calls. We have many persons in special postions who either don't belong, don't have any time as a patrol officer, or well, have connections and it is obvious who they are because they stick out like a sore thumb compared to others in their situation. This agency needs to stop giving out special spots due to senior badge numbers, being buddy-buddy with the brass, and being in certain extra curricular activies. Look back several years ago and this practice has blown up in the PDs face. Who is leaving out early, putting in for something more exciting, or can't get along with others in their section. Call me what you want, but everything i've posted is true. Let's just recycle the chosen few into new and lucrative postions, which is bringing moral to an all time low. Although it happens under the guise of fair play, most officers with open eyes can see right through it. They might not complain openly, but understand it is an issue. DISCLAIMER according to the Haters: I know I need to find a job elsewhere, I suck, I hate the agency, I breed hate, I need to shut up and do my job, I need to woory about myself, and I 'm sure I'm a troublemaker. I'm lazy and stupid and a whiner, SHUT UP..Did I forget anything else for stating an opinion? Thanks I am prepared for the usual responses and I will take them in account.

patrol is the backbone of any agency and I am proud to be a part of it. Being in a specialized position is nice and you get exposed to other aspects of law enforcement, but remember at his agency you always go back, or do you? The idiots who come on this board spouting about being in a special postion and telling you to enjoy patrol are most likely the ones who put in for anything special to avoid shagging calls. We have many persons in special postions who either don't belong, don't have any time as a patrol officer, or well, have connections and it is obvious who they are because they stick out like a sore thumb compared to others in their situation. This agency needs to stop giving out special spots due to senior badge numbers, being buddy-buddy with the brass, and being in certain extra curricular activies. Look back several years ago and this practice has blown up in the PDs face. Who is leaving out early, putting in for something more exciting, or can't get along with others in their section. Call me what you want, but everything i've posted is true. Let's just recycle the chosen few into new and lucrative postions, which is bringing moral to an all time low. Although it happens under the guise of fair play, most officers with open eyes can see right through it. They might not complain openly, but understand it is an issue. DISCLAIMER according to the Haters: I know I need to find a job elsewhere, I suck, I hate the agency, I breed hate, I need to shut up and do my job, I need to woory about myself, and I 'm sure I'm a troublemaker. I'm lazy and stupid and a whiner, SHUT UP..Did I forget anything else for stating an opinion? Thanks I am prepared for the usual responses and I will take them in account.

Nope...that about covers it...

very true, there are many others with the same opinions as bones. It is just hard to understand why the same people just keep getting shifted around. It makes no sense.

Motor spot, I wonder what select person will get this. MB your a shoe in, you got my vote!

Motor spot, I wonder what select person will get this. MB your a shoe in, you got my vote!
He is not putting in for it.

You must pick another to complete your conspiracy fantasy.

wow, is he gonna come back to the road and actually take calls? Quick Robin, to the batcave :devil:

Well, he may still be a corporal, you can still bash that. :roll:

So, is he gonna take calls?

I think I should get the traffic spot...my traffic stats last month were astonishing..

Are you kidding Cpls taking calls? X94s maybe, possibly a false alarm if no patrol unit is available, but don't think for a minute, even though they count towards the patrol officer manpower, that they are going to take a call for an officer. How many times must this be said, the Cpl experiment has failed, shut it down, and go back to the Sgt only system. The Lts can be cut and the Cpls have to be scrapped. This Cpl deal has been a huge black eye for this PD and it needs to go. Can anyone, including supervisors justify why we need Cpls? Please keep it respectful and informative with facts. Tell the viewers what the Cpls do and why they are needed. Help us patrol people to understand why this postion is important and useful.

I will give you one reason the program should remain. ADVANCEMENT. With few positions available to rotate in and out of the corporal program is another opportunity for someone to move around. I do think however that the program should be re-evaluated and maybe even a few need to be re-tested. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water maybe just humble a few and take the stripes.

The Explorers have Cpls so we have to have them too..... I mean what if Mb and an older looking Explorer Cpl were standing there, and the dumb citizen saw MB was a slick sleeve and saw the Cpl stripes on the Explorer and MB feelings got hurt? Come on people get with the program. I miss the good old days when if the Sgt was not in that day a senior guy who was a MPO like Cook or 207 or even Billy Holmes would be in charge. Things seemed to work just fine then. What did we have then senior officer were either 10-65 calls or they were an FTO unit training and still 10-65 calls. Actually taking calls from officers so the PO could learn. Now we have Cpls who are pre Madonna. who think they have three stripes and are important. They want to all 56 for a 58 and leave young officers on the road without the help of the senior officers. Which in some cases may be better for the junior officers. The reference to MB was total fiction and he was just used because that was the cpl name that came to my head.

The CPL program is useless. It serves no purpose. It provides no opportunity for advancement because it is not a promotion. It is considered an assignment like any detective spot or other specialized position. Which is why MB is "allegedly" going back to the road to x65. I doubt that's where he'll wind up but we'll see. Let's take a look at this next CPLs test coming up. As it stands with everyone being where they are there are no open spots. There are no CPL positions in any of the specialized units including special ops. The powers that be have said that they would like a CPL back there but it is not set aside for a CPL. If it was, they would have to make that one of the requirements. But they can't, because no one is designated as a CPL permanently. So the only place where there are designated CPL spots are on the road. So unless one of them moves somewhere or just decides to give up his stripes. They can have 7 tests a year and nothing has to change. Furthermore, when there is an opening in the SGT ranks it is available to anyone, and a CPL is "allegedly" given no special preference.

Now let's say that K3 leaves spec ops too, that would mean there are no CPLs left back there but they can't post to replace him for a CPL. TS can ask one of his boys back there to take the test and if they make it then make them a CPL and work it that way. But once again, there are no designated CPL spots.

Does this all make sense? To me, it doesn't. I think that the CPLs serve no purpose other than to give folks some sort of supervisory experience and some accountability other than the SGT. But if no one moves from the road, there is no gaurantee there will ever be anymore CPLs...Kinda silly if you ask me. But I'm just a soldier.

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Pointless...your post was just that. You made nor contributed any valid argument to this discussion. You just state the obvious. The obvious, that anyone who has worked here for one month would know. There are 10 corporal spots and they stay in certain sections/units. So, I ask you...........what is your point? You must be one of those TS/MB haters that just like to try to get a rise out of people. Too bad you lack the ability to do it with any style. Keep "soldiering" on and get back with us when you come up with something compelling to add to this already boring discussion.

I think I should get the traffic spot...my traffic stats last month were astonishing..

That means nothing :mrgreen:

Are you kidding Cpls taking calls? X94s maybe, possibly a false alarm if no patrol unit is available, but don't think for a minute, even though they count towards the patrol officer manpower, that they are going to take a call for an officer. How many times must this be said, the Cpl experiment has failed, shut it down, and go back to the Sgt only system. The Lts can be cut and the Cpls have to be scrapped. This Cpl deal has been a huge black eye for this PD and it needs to go. Can anyone, including supervisors justify why we need Cpls? Please keep it respectful and informative with facts. Tell the viewers what the Cpls do and why they are needed. Help us patrol people to understand why this postion is important and useful.

There is no justification, only excuses. If a Cpl is a person who should set an example. Step up take calls and be a nonstop flutter of activity. After all they do not have a zone and when a Sgt is there their just a pit stop in the chain of command. However one thing makes no sense to me.... there not supervisors, correct? So why do we have some Cpl's that think they are above everyone else? I think they should revamp the whole program and call it the Gestapo Squad. This term is fitting for some. :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

I don;t think at all the comment was pointless it was exactly right they don't have any positions available for a cpl ,it;s just going to be swap for swap ,so why the hell advertise it ,it all boils down to them because they haven't got the balls to pull stripes , they don't care about experience or looking after the workers .So after all you know S.G is going to get it even though R.M fought tooth and nail to stay in ,S.G rolled out early chasing stripes but that doesn't matter R.M isn't liked by the brass so he's out of the run by a long shot.Shame on the P.D

I don;t think at all the comment was pointless it was exactly right they don't have any positions available for a cpl ,it;s just going to be swap for swap ,so why the hell advertise it ,it all boils down to them because they haven't got the balls to pull stripes , they don't care about experience or looking after the workers .So after all you know S.G is going to get it even though R.M fought tooth and nail to stay in ,S.G rolled out early chasing stripes but that doesn't matter R.M isn't liked by the brass so he's out of the run by a long shot.Shame on the P.D

Hold on there...A little premature rant don't you think? Why don't you wait and see how the selection process comes out before you post your venom.

No matter who gets it, you may want to ask the three officers and maybe the one Sgt. who sat on the selection process why it played out however it plays out. There is likely a good reason why one was selected and why one wasn't. However, I suspect you won't because it might not play into your conspiracy theory.

What will you say if R.M. gets the selection? Will you come on here and apologize and admit you were wrong? I doubt it but we will see.

"No matter who gets it, you may want to ask the three officers and maybe the one Sgt. who sat on the selection process why it played out however it plays out. There is likely a good reason why one was selected and why one wasn't. However, I suspect you won't because it might not play into your conspiracy theory."


This is what we call the:

:devil: "Good Ole Boy System" :devil:

This is called......pathetic...

You won't be satisfied on any decision that is made. Just get out your "How to be a conspiracy theorist" manual out and "I wish I had friends who really liked me" book to console you.

They will help you through this bleak period in your life.

Just look in the mirror and repeat...."I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and dog gone, people like me."

If you say it enough, maybe it will come true.

Until then, enjoy mediocrity.

thanks LB for the pep talk, sounds just like a training module with you, without the yelling, screaming and, downtalking you usually bring. But I have the nasty, condisending, verbally agressive memomeries from the past to hold me through til the next class...

Another LB&MB scam on the OT board. look and learn the dirty deal,it's plain for all to see this time, not a late night movie detail with S2 as normal. oops, I signed up for it, but I got plans,your the first on my phone list again. Can you cover this? What a sham!!!!

You gonna explain it, or you just gonna make another accusation without substance that you want us to take you on your word for?

Anonymous take me on my words don't really hold much weight on here...

They are above the law everyone involved in the whole OT scam.

I don;t think at all the comment was pointless it was exactly right they don't have any positions available for a cpl ,it;s just going to be swap for swap ,so why the hell advertise it ,it all boils down to them because they haven't got the balls to pull stripes , they don't care about experience or looking after the workers .So after all you know S.G is going to get it even though R.M fought tooth and nail to stay in ,S.G rolled out early chasing stripes but that doesn't matter R.M isn't liked by the brass so he's out of the run by a long shot.Shame on the P.D

Hold on there...A little premature rant don't you think? Why don't you wait and see how the selection process comes out before you post your venom.

No matter who gets it, you may want to ask the three officers and maybe the one Sgt. who sat on the selection process why it played out however it plays out. There is likely a good reason why one was selected and why one wasn't. However, I suspect you won't because it might not play into your conspiracy theory.

What will you say if R.M. gets the selection? Will you come on here and apologize and admit you were wrong? I doubt it but we will see.
Absolutely Not M.H

You are correct. It wasn't, it was me.

Amazing,, So where the conspiracy theorists right? Yes they where. :shock: :shock: :shock:

yep no need for the poster to appologize for anything they said

it went stripes for stripes and not the most qualified as it was stated it would

go figure

chief where are you?

yep no need for the poster to appologize for anything they said

it went stripes for stripes and not the most qualified as it was stated it would

go figure

chief where are you?

The Chief made the decision. Before you go spouting off, you may want to ask the officers on the oral board what the circumstances were. From what I have been told, apparently some seasoned vets didn't study the directives like some of the their younger "less experienced" counter parts. Its hard to score well on certain areas of oral boards when you don't review the directives and you get oral board questions incorrect. Buth then we should just pick right the most qualified...I wonder who should make the decision. I suppose the Chief...i.e "Chief where are you?"

Wait, didn't we have a lawsuit a few years ago that led to us changing from picking the Chief's opinion of most qualified to an oral board process? Oh now I remember, yes we did.

I guess we should just forget that little ole thing...

What a lie about directives ,i heard that it had nothing to about directives,it's about favourtism,i really don't know who their trying to kid. What people need to realize is that while M.H is in charge rules are always going to be bent,cause he dislikes a lot of people and goes with his ar** bandits .Anybody who stands up for themselves and gives as good as they get sadly there disliked,and guarantee there will be nothing done about the corruption that goes on in Pinellas Parks Finest.Wait for the surprise its coming promise you that.???????

alot of i heard going around.... I didn't hear any of the insider information from the process but i guess the second to last poster most have insider information, unknown how??? a Cpl for a Cpl sounds right, don't sweat the small stuff, it is what it is. watch and learn gather info. This has gone on for years and will continue, do your time and move on. we are wasting lots of wasted energy on things that are already on the cards. the crew will be running this place in 5-10 yrs, then it will be real bad

What a lie about directives ,i heard that it had nothing to about directives,it's about favourtism,i really don't know who their trying to kid. What people need to realize is that while M.H is in charge rules are always going to be bent,cause he dislikes a lot of people and goes with his ar** bandits .Anybody who stands up for themselves and gives as good as they get sadly there disliked,and guarantee there will be nothing done about the corruption that goes on in Pinellas Parks Finest.Wait for the surprise its coming promise you that.???????

Do we really care what you heard. If you heard it was about favortism, then you have been lied to. Anyone can ask to see the score sheets from the oral board and find out for themselves exactly what the issue was. The score sheets are public record.

I challenge you to do it, mister "it's about favourtism." Officers like you are the problem with this agency. You spout off about things you haven't had the courage nor balls to check out first. Instead, you come on here spreading rumors.

Investigate before you post.

if you think for one second that one person on those boards cannot sway a score one way or the other to get who they want to get the high scores, especially on scores that are close youre so mistaken. there are way2FTIIs to make the score accommodate those that want certain people. do not fool yourself.

[431]

Well, for what it is worth, I put in for both positions. I can affirm that the oral board questions were indeed drawn from directives and SOP's. I don't know what my score was on either board, but I can tell you that I bombed the first oral board for the day shift position. I was not as prepared as I thought I was and I know I did not answer well to the questions asked. Also, I knew I was running against some very knowledgeable and serious contenders for both slots. I don't feel cheated or jaded by the board's selection for the two officers that were chosen for these positions. I do know that I intend to be better prepared for when another spot opens up. Anyway, just my opinion of course, not that it means anything in the grand scheme of things. I truly enjoy working with all of you and will continue to strive for improvement. Stay safe! 431 :wink:

if you think for one second that one person on those boards cannot sway a score one way or the other to get who they want to get the high scores, especially on scores that are close youre so mistaken. there are way2FTIIs to make the score accommodate those that want certain people. do not fool yourself.
You are so correct ? Good reply to the post above and they certainly accomadated scores and fiddle the process.We know you know

yep no need for the poster to appologize for anything they said

it went stripes for stripes and not the most qualified as it was stated it would

go figure

chief where are you?

The Chief made the decision. Before you go spouting off, you may want to ask the officers on the oral board what the circumstances were. From what I have been told, apparently some seasoned vets didn't study the directives like some of the their younger "less experienced" counter parts. Its hard to score well on certain areas of oral boards when you don't review the directives and you get oral board questions incorrect. Buth then we should just pick right the most qualified...I wonder who should make the decision. I suppose the Chief...i.e "Chief where are you?"

Wait, didn't we have a lawsuit a few years ago that led to us changing from picking the Chief's opinion of most qualified to an oral board process? Oh now I remember, yes we did.

I guess we should just forget that little ole thing...

The seasoned guy was to busy taking calls while the new super cpl was tsudying the directives.........................

yep no need for the poster to appologize for anything they said

it went stripes for stripes and not the most qualified as it was stated it would

go figure

chief where are you?

The Chief made the decision. Before you go spouting off, you may want to ask the officers on the oral board what the circumstances were. From what I have been told, apparently some seasoned vets didn't study the directives like some of the their younger "less experienced" counter parts. Its hard to score well on certain areas of oral boards when you don't review the directives and you get oral board questions incorrect. Buth then we should just pick right the most qualified...I wonder who should make the decision. I suppose the Chief...i.e "Chief where are you?"

Wait, didn't we have a lawsuit a few years ago that led to us changing from picking the Chief's opinion of most qualified to an oral board process? Oh now I remember, yes we did.

I guess we should just forget that little ole thing...

The seasoned guy was to busy taking calls while the new super cpl was tsudying the directives.........................

Which one is it.....Pick an excuse, you can't have them all. Was it, the senior guy was jaded by an unfair score, or was he disadvantaged because he was too overworked to properly prepare himself? R.M. is no doubt qualified. However, after the suit, we became a different agency on how selections are made. Study is not part of the preparation process as 431 attested to up top. If you get outstudied, that is no ones fault but your own. You can study on your own time you know.

As for 431, I applaud your post and effort to set the record straight. You sir are a true professional. Those involved in the sport of conspiracy theory should take note on how non-selection should be handled. That is exactly why I am confident that soon you will get the position you seek. Congrats on graceful denial. Others should take notice.

Thanks T.S. for the pep talk!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wrong again, but keep trying. Believe it or not, there are many more that disagree with you than agree with you. The funny part is, many that will agree with you to your face, roll their eyes and laugh at you when you are walking away. Their thoughts; man it must suck to be so miserable.

Wrong again, but keep trying. Believe it or not, there are many more that disagree with you than agree with you. The funny part is, many that will agree with you to your face, roll their eyes and laugh at you when you are walking away. Their thoughts; man it must suck to be so miserable.

Just got on here and got some good cheap entertainment. Especially this guy or gal....Obvious to see that this person, who claims to be the majority, is the only one posting all of this defensive BS. No, most don't think like you. The normal people have a life and family outside of this place. You might want to try it 8)

Wrong again, but keep trying. Believe it or not, there are many more that disagree with you than agree with you. The funny part is, many that will agree with you to your face, roll their eyes and laugh at you when you are walking away. Their thoughts; man it must suck to be so miserable.

Just got on here and got some good cheap entertainment. Especially this guy or gal....Obvious to see that this person, who claims to be the majority, is the only one posting all of this defensive BS. No, most don't think like you. The normal people have a life and family outside of this place. You might want to try it 8)

Weak spin attempt.... Two, nearly three days of no comments and that is the best you can muster...