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04-09-2008, 06:29 AM
Please someone answer a question. How many total sworn deputies do you have including the jail? David Morgan is on his latest TV ad claiming ya'll have like 45 more guys than we do! Seems like there should be the proverbial cop on every corner if that was the case. :)

04-09-2008, 08:14 AM
I saw that Morgan video and think he is incorrect. He said he was going to "double" the population, the number of deputies in Santa Rosa and the budget for comparison to Escambia.

Then he started talking about the budget in Santa Rosa, without being doubled, but kept the deputies numbers doubled and made the statement that Santa Rosa had more deputies on the road than Escambia but had 30 million less in the budget.

Hell, I think that is what happened but I got lost with all the fuzzy math.

Santa Rosa is not bigger than Escambia in population or deputies. I think we all would have heard about that milestone. One day, maybe since you are shrinking and we are growing. Not sure about deputies on the street but one would assume that you have more.

There is no doubt that the SRSO is doing a better job as we have a better Sheriff and would not wish yours on anyone unless Morgan was the only other choice.

04-09-2008, 02:57 PM
Do ANY of you guys know how many total troops you have?

04-09-2008, 03:19 PM
Without getting a roster out and actually counting, I can tell you it's around 160, and that includes single digit numbers. As far as how many actually in patrol cars, subject to answer a call, the number would be closer to 100, and that would include shift supervisors.

04-09-2008, 03:21 PM
The figures above are for LE only as I have no idea how many in the jail.

04-09-2008, 06:24 PM
Thanks....David Morgan is once again not telling the truth on his infomercials saying ya'll have like 40 more deputies than we do. If ya wanna good laugh, click on the link below. Do ya'll have any clowns that are this pathetic running against Wendall?

http://70.184.45.173:8080/ramgen/realit ... show_15.rm (http://70.184.45.173:8080/ramgen/reality/morgan_show_15.rm)

Warning Clicking on the above is NOT RECOMMENDED for the faint at heart, this guy is a complete wacko. Suggest wearing a Depends you may be laughing so hard you may have an accident.

04-09-2008, 08:46 PM
ECSO Dep; this is the breakdown as of 3/28:

Total LE sworn:
Admin: 5
Lt's: 11
Sgt's: 30
Dep's: 127

Ct Security: 12

Total Detention:
Admin: 2
Lt's: 5
Sgt's: 5
Cpl's: 8
Dep's: 68

04-09-2008, 08:53 PM
Morgan is confusing total employees with total sworn.

04-10-2008, 02:25 AM
The true figures as of 04-07-08
SRSO:

Sworn Law Enforcement...
01-01-2001.....140
04-07-2008.....191****


Sworn Correctional
01-01-2001......78
04-07-08..........86****

04-10-2008, 09:27 AM
The true figures as of 04-07-08
SRSO:

Sworn Law Enforcement...
01-01-2001.....140
04-07-2008.....191****


Sworn Correctional
01-01-2001......78
04-07-08..........86****

There is no doubt the SRSO has grown under Sheriff Hall. He has done a good job in that regard and there is nothing any new Sheriff can bring or change to make things better.

What is in question is the candidates in Escambia getting the SRSO numbers wrong.

DDG
04-10-2008, 12:52 PM
The true figures as of 04-07-08
SRSO:

Sworn Law Enforcement...
01-01-2001.....140
04-07-2008.....191****


Sworn Correctional
01-01-2001......78
04-07-08..........86****where did you get that info from? i would like to see that for myself. FDLE stats show a different figure. FDLE has the data base of every officer profile in the State of Florida and what agency they are certified with.

04-10-2008, 01:18 PM
[quote="ByStander"]The true figures as of 04-07-08
SRSO:

Sworn Law Enforcement...
01-01-2001.....140
04-07-2008.....191****


Not to start a big pissing contest, but where did your numbers come from ? Last roster I looked at had 190 as the last radio number, and several gaps up the line. Even adding the 12 court security does not equal your 191. Not a challenge, just a question.

DDG
04-10-2008, 01:27 PM
FDLE shows 190 as well. In 2001 FDLE shows 214. which would be 24 FEWER Deputies. Did FDLE change the way they counted the positions? not a challenge, just want to be better informed.

04-10-2008, 03:39 PM
FDLE shows 190 as well. In 2001 FDLE shows 214. which would be 24 FEWER Deputies. Did FDLE change the way they counted the positions? not a challenge, just want to be better informed.

FDLE did not come over and count. Given the accuracy of UCR that FDLE gathers, I would not put any stock in numbers from them but assume they are in the neighborhood of the actual number.

04-10-2008, 03:59 PM
FDLE registers the indivdual officer with each agency. (our certificate can only be held at one agency at a time. Therefore FDLE knows to the person, how many sworn LEO's are at each agency....

04-10-2008, 04:36 PM
Dual certifed officers are counted in another section and may cause the numbers to appear out of wack.

04-10-2008, 04:38 PM
FDLE registers the indivdual officer with each agency. (our certificate can only be held at one agency at a time. Therefore FDLE knows to the person, how many sworn LEO's are at each agency....

If a certificate is at an agency it does not mean they are drawing a paycheck. Could be reserve, etc.

04-10-2008, 05:03 PM
All those FDLE numbers are fine and good, but if you print a current roster, and count all the names of sworn LEO's who draw a pay check, you still get 173...and that includes the Sheriff and Majors. If you add court security to that, you get 185...reserves puts it at 194.

DDG
04-10-2008, 06:36 PM
Are there less reserve Deputies now than in 2001???

04-11-2008, 02:50 AM
DDG wrote:
FDLE shows 190 as well. In 2001 FDLE shows 214. which would be 24 FEWER Deputies. Did FDLE change the way they counted the positions? not a challenge, just want to be better informed.

Ok DDG here is the explanation that I have researched:
And anyone can do this, just by asking for a "PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST."

In 01-01-2001....Sworn LEO'S.......140
In 01-01-2001....Correctional......... 78

Now understand these figures were the the ones that Sheriff Hall took office with...... from the previous administration. So, in reality it is not certain if these were combined numbers, this is the only information that was recorded.

Now, since Sheriff Hall has been in office these are the most recent numbers as of 04-07-2008

04-07-2008......Sworn LEO'S.......191
04-07-2008......Sworn CO'S..........86

Now, do we know if FDLE is updated as of 04-07-08? :o

04-11-2008, 02:52 AM
Will research Reserve Deputies for you also.

DDG
04-11-2008, 08:54 PM
Thank you for clearing that up... it seems that they counted both corrections and LEO, and now it appears to be seperated... i stand corrected.

04-12-2008, 12:19 AM
Thank you for clearing that up... it seems that they counted both corrections and LEO, and now it appears to be seperated... i stand corrected.

DDG... thats what I like about you. You are stand up. We know each other but just don't know it is each other. - OTL