Personnel drain

Ron is taking good folks with his pay raises next door. When will SRSO begin to stop the talent drain?

SRSO is not the only agency with that problem... we have gained officers from Gulf Breeze, PPD and Milton in the past month.

Come on over... the waters nice.

The money may be a step up, but the grass isn't always greener.

I agree that the grass is not ALWAYS greener, but the job is what you make of it, and you have to look at which place has the most potential for you to make it what you want.

Here at ECSO we have a good opportunity to move into specialzed jobs quickly. We have numerous deputies that have less than 3 years working in narcotics, outlying precincts such as pens. beach and perdido key, one guy with 2 years here is on the DUI squad, another with 2 1/2 years is a firearms instructor, Josh hendershot has 3 years and just made it to K9, etc.

Everyplace is what you make of it. Go where you have the best chance to do the things you want to do.

I agree that the grass is not ALWAYS greener, but the job is what you make of it, and you have to look at which place has the most potential for you to make it what you want.

Here at ECSO we have a good opportunity to move into specialzed jobs quickly. We have numerous deputies that have less than 3 years working in narcotics, outlying precincts such as pens. beach and perdido key, one guy with 2 years here is on the DUI squad, another with 2 1/2 years is a firearms instructor, Josh hendershot has 3 years and just made it to K9, etc.

Everyplace is what you make of it. Go where you have the best chance to do the things you want to do.

Before you move by thinking the grass is greener because you might be able to quickly move to different specialized units consider first why those vacancies occur so often at the Sheriff’s department. Most progressive agencies try to keep continuity in specialize units by keeping experienced personnel in place as long as possible and don’t encourage rapid turnover. It’s a supervisor’s nightmare to have constant turnover of his experienced personnel. About the time the unit starts to click and everyone one is working together as a team he has to start all over training the new members. There is a management concept that does encourage moving personnel helter skelter but the reason is not for positive reasons it’s to keep personnel from forming tight cliques that would question the policies of management. The concept comes from a Management theory known as The Mushroom Theory of Management” The short definition of the theory is to “Keep all employees in the dark and feed them sh*t!” If you want to read more about the theory Google “Mushroom Theory” and you may find the reason for the rapid turn over at the Escambia Sheriff’s Dept.. One good read on the subject can be found at:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... management (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.phpterm=mushroom+management)

Quite teh contrary oh-unlearned one...

It is recommended that officers only stay in a specialized position for 2-3 years to prevent burnout. Otherwise you get narcotics officers gone bad, sex crimes investigators blowing their brains out over stress and traffic officers forgetting how to do anything except write tickets.

The key is to look not how long the have been in the unit, BUT WHERE THEY WENT to determine the motives for the move. Deputies who move laterally or up are expanding their expereience and taking on more responsibility. (hint, hint... that is a GOOD thing)

I read where the Federal Govt. gave Santa Rosa additional FEMA money.
The article said part of the money is going to the S.O. I hope we can use it for well deserved raises. I just want what the County Comm get for their part time salary. Sounds reasonable to me!

:lol:

Well, with all the elementry school SRO's being pulled from the schools that should give you more bodies on the road.

fo shizzle SRO's R fo-rizzle :shock:

Quite teh contrary oh-unlearned one...

It is recommended that officers only stay in a specialized position for 2-3 years to prevent burnout. Otherwise you get narcotics officers gone bad, sex crimes investigators blowing their brains out over stress and traffic officers forgetting how to do anything except write tickets.

The key is to look not how long the have been in the unit, BUT WHERE THEY WENT to determine the motives for the move. Deputies who move laterally or up are expanding their expereience and taking on more responsibility. (hint, hint... that is a GOOD thing)

On “learned one” then pray tell how that D.E.A. Agents and Customs Agents, Border Patrol Officers, F.BI. Agents and Air Marshals do the same type of work for 20 to 25 years before retiring and don’t “burn out?” Tell me how career Highway Patrol Officers, Fish and Game Officers, and Marine Patrol Officers stay at what their specialty is for a lifetime career and don’t “burn out”. Tell me how it is that we hear it taught and preached and many believe that the average “Patrol Officer” is the back bone of a local law enforcement agency. There are hundreds of thousands of us across the United States who make a life long career being “Patrol Officers” and don’t see that joining a specialist assignment has any more job satisfaction than how we serve. We are proud to wear the uniform and to serve in the uniform. The real truth old “learned one” is that if it wasn’t for the extra pay that is offered for the specialty jobs most real cops wouldn’t want anything to do with them. That’s why they have to be bribed with assignment pay into accepting them. If you think that by moving from being a patrol officer to a so called “undercover” job (which most never do), or by being a dog groomer and handler, bicycle patrol, crime scene dust spreading officer, DUI and traffic cop assignments or any of the other so called elite assignments, that move will make you a more rounded cop, then you haven’t ever really been a street cop at heart. The extra pay should be paid to the long term street cop who spends his career unselfishly serving at all hours thru thick and thin instead of those who want the 9-5, Mon-Fri or the specialty jobs that offer unlimited overtime, off duty job opportunities and the assignment pay.

Well, with all the elementry school SRO's being pulled from the schools that should give you more bodies on the road.

fo shizzle SRO's R fo-rizzle :shock:

You're kidding right?

With only a few exceptions I wouldn't take much stock in having "bodies on the road" that came from a school. It would be difficult to motivate some with a box of Turbo Lax. Keep in mind that in times past the original road dawgs have to either follow up on cases they neglected to finish or just plain screwed up.

So we're short on the road and now should be elated that we have help coming? Joy.

If the elementary SRO's are pulled out of the schools, it will net a total of six whole officers to place in five districts. This will not mean much to the overall manpower shortage, but I welcome any additional manpower and would rather get a former SRO that has past road experience, than a complete FNG. In this business, if you are offered something additional, you take and work with it. Why put down an entire division of the department ? I'm not an SRO because I choose not to be, but I respect their position and will be happy to assist any that come out to the road with getting back up to speed.

To Guest Who Loves Patrol Work...

It is obvious by your tone that you are one of those officers who have long-awaited a transfer to a more specialized job, but been turned down so many times, you have now convinced yourself that you DONT want it so that you can save some self-esteem.

Those jobs you mentioned, such as DEA, Game and Fish, etc....those officers stay interested by moving to different foles within the department. Game and Fish may focus on many things in their career, FBI will work bank robbery, then move to something else, then something else.

And your idea about working in various units not making you a more well-rounded officer is the biggest load of crap I ever heard. You talk to the 10 most respected officers in your department, and I promise you, 8 of them have been in spcial units and will tell you they learned a lot from those jobs...stuff that applies every day to your coveted "patrol" position.

No doubt...patrol is the backbone of an agency. But in order to become a better officer and move up in the carrer ladder, you must get experience in ALL facets of a police agency. At ECSO you can do that... how about where you are? If not, it may be time to either consider a move, or accept that you may never advance where you are.

Good morning class. ESCO Deputy is correct. Specialized units do make deputies more effective. I agree with notion with regards to the SRO's. Some don't want to work the road because they are what? Lazy. say it with me, LAZY. But all the same there are road deputies who are "LAZY" and cannot understand why they are not selected for specialized units, say it with me "Specialized Units." Those officers do enough say they are "at work" but in reality they sit on their what? Butts, thats right butts and do nothing. Some call in sick every other day. Others get 10-86 precisley when their shift begins and is sitting in their driveway 30 minutes to an hour prior to the end of the shift. (See District 3 mids for further details). The fact is, those who do all the complaining never catch a break,, say it with me, "break." What did we learn today class? Lazy=no specialized units. No specialized units=complaining. Complaining=disgruntled employee. Disgruntled employee=lazy and so on. Class dismissed.

This Occured in Santa Rosa County Fl.

You aren't an English teacher, are you?

No raise, no new officers, no new equipment, no nothing. Rollback taxes for the rich, they can celebrate with caviar and wine. This new found wealth in our property tax savings means we can treat ourselves to a one of those awful hot dogs from Tom Thumb.

Teacher,


what would you know about deputies? I don't think you teach anything asshat.

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Wow! That stinks!!