Stand up and be counted

Does it bother anyone else that even after all of this *****ing that nothing really has been done? From what I understand, the entire 4th floor thinks that this forum is only a few disgruntled employees. Heaven forbid that there might actually be a problem on the road. Just toss it up to three or four officers who have nothing better to do than complain.

Now, this might rub some of you the wrong way, but I think it is past time for the PBA to stand up and tell the Chief that he has a problem on his hands. All that needs to be done is for the reps to speak to the officers on Charlie and Alpha shift to get the truth. Talk to them one on one. And what is the truth? The truth is that there is a serious morale problem and all roads seem to lead back to one particular Captain. Can you blame anyone for not voicing thier opinions out loud? They would never be selected for his next hand picked secret-squirrel task force. I can speak from a road perspective and the vast majority of the officers, and probably the majority of the sergeants, are completely de-moralized.

So I challenge the PBA to look into this problem and bring it to the Chief as a real problem and not just a few disgruntled employees. And I challenge the rest of the officers; if you want things to improve, grab the next PBA rep you see and tell him that it is time for the PBA to tell the CHief the truth!

I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEANCE WITH YOUR STATEMENT. THE PROBLEM THAT SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATORS HAVE IS THAT THEY MAY BE TOO FAR REMOVED FROM ROAD PATROL. THEY'VE BEEN OFF THE ROAD SO LONG THEY MAY NOT CARE, OR THEY JUST REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM. MY VALID COMPLAINT WOULD NOT ONLY GET HIM IN HOT WATER, BUT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A FEW OTHER OFFICERS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT. I HAVE SEVERAL REASONS WHY I HAVE NOT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT YET. ONE BEING FURTHER RETALIATION BY THIS CAPTAIN. THE OTHER REASONS I CAN'T DISCUSS AT THIS TIME. I WILL SOON THOUGH, AND PUBLICLY IF NEED BE.
IF THEY REALLY BELIEVED THAT THERE WERE ONLY A FEW PEOPLE COMPLAINING, THEY SHOULD HAND OUT OR HAVE A STACK OF COMPLAINT FORMS THAT OFFICERS CAN FILL OUT AND STILL REMAIN ANONYMOUS. THE DEPOSIT OF THESE FORMS NEED TO BE EITHER WITH A PBA REP, OR A BOX THAT IS NOT MONITORED BY ANY CAMERA. EACH PBA MEMBER SHOULD BE GIVEN A CODE NUMBER WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE OF ANY SIGNATURE.

Hallaluya!! You are so on the money "enough"! It is a pity that we don't all just go straight to the chief's office and demand that the Captain in question be put back on the probation that he avoided. Just to set the record straight, his probation was extended not only as a Sergant, but also as a Lt. But before he could start the extended probation, all the Lt's got swept in under the new rank structure. I guess we should openly embrase his leadership -ya right!

since the atmosphere is so oppresive that no one is able to speak there mind, then I agree 100% that the PBA should tell the Chief just how bad things are. Do you really think his command staff is going to admit to him that there is a problem??? Nope, everything is just fine, sir. The PBA does need to get involved.

Hey G Parker, A Feiner, M Paz - can we do something about this mess? Is there something the PBA can do?

I think at least a suggestion box maybe in the line-up room is a great idea, but only if we are assured the Chief will see what is written. I think the PBA reps should be the only ones with access and they will bring all complaints directly to the Chief.

How about if all of you whining, crying baby's act like adults???

If you have a problem with someone, let your b**ls drop and tell him like a man (or woman). It is absolutley true that most of officers can't stand the guy, but hiding is a shame.

Quit crying and do something yourself, like be professional.

Isn't that what Union dues are paid for, to let them do the *****ing? It's not a matter of balls, it's a matter of retribution.

I think that most of us are concerned with retribution from that particular Captain. Isn't that enough for the PBA to get involved?

All they have to do is speak with the officers one-on-one, or in small groups and get a feel for themselves. I agree that it has nothing to do with having balls or not, it has to do with our future careers.

Amen, let the inquiry begin. Brickman and Vaughan should be at the spearhead of this particular investigation...it's that bad.

The best part of all of this is that the Captain LOVES this stuff. He knows exzactly how to do his job and make people feel good about working without anyone being able to make a complaint that anyone can do anything about. THere is a reason that U think he uses big words= He is smart and YOU are stupid!!!!

AND he definitely does not care that a few disgruntled losers don't like him. I don't think he would have it any other way.

Figure out who this is yet??!?!?

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RIGHT!!!!

yeah a few "disgruntled losers". Take a poll, jackoff. I'm sure he is the peoples choice as you say.

The best part of all of this is that the Captain LOVES this stuff. He knows exzactly how to do his job and make people feel good about working without anyone being able to make a complaint that anyone can do anything about. THere is a reason that U think he uses big words= He is smart and YOU are stupid!!!!

AND he definitely does not care that a few disgruntled losers don't like him. I don't think he would have it any other way.

Figure out who this is yet??!?!?

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YOU'RE EITHER A COMMANDER, SGT, OR AN EX-BUTCHER.

i'd like to be able to answer that......................but i can't right now.

First of all, ur an idiot. It doesn't really matter who you are, your still an idiot. This guy is not good for morale and he has most everyone hating to work here.

Well, that is unless you are secretly picked by him to do the special details. Way to go there, big guy! Nothing like not getting the hint after how many posts about you??? You really need to go to a division where you only impact a few people, like computers. You are a "paper captain", not a leader. Just a little bit of leadership would go a long way on the road.

DID YOU KNOW THAT WHEN PEOPLE STARTED COMPLAINING HE STATED THAT THE COMMANDERS ARE AWARE OF IT? WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION (WHICH THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF), THE "LETTERS OF INTEREST" EMAIL WENT OUT SHORTLY AFTER.

So what is going to be done about this?

I know the PBA reps read this, can one of you, even anonymously, advise what we can do to get you involved???

Does it only take one person to step forward and initiate a process? I think that we are all ready to "stand up and be counted". (That is a gay topic name, by the way) This guy needs to be reigned in!

DOES 794.05(1) SOUND FAMILIAR TO ANYONE?

Looks like deliverance is at hand. Union Meeting May 22. How will the moles be identified...you know they'll be there, probably taping for the capt. to hear later...

How about if the PBA restricts this meeting to officers and sergants only. If Chaos is there, nobody will speak up - including me. There are many of us who would eventually like to go to the DB or other specialized unit and don't want our disgust with him to prevent it. Like EVERYONE is saying, there is a fear of retribution. Nothing you can do about the moles, though. People like that are never able to hide for long.

So can the PBA restrict this meeting????

If you're not a voting union member, then you're not allowed in, emphasis on voting. Some of the command staff are in the union strictly for the legal benefit, but are not voting members. That should be the emphasis. Mole meter will be present at the door...beware.

I KNOW OF THREE SERGEANTS, AND FOUR OFFICERS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS "MOLES". TWO OF THE SERGEANTS R OBVIOUS. THE OTHERS NOT SO. THERE IS QUITE POSSIBLY ANOTHER SGT WHO RECENTLY POSTED A MESSAGE THAT SLAMMED A FEW OF THE TOP POSTERS. HE'S USUALLY BLIND TO THE ACTUAL TRUTH THOUGH, AND LIVES TO STICK UP FOR THOSE FROM HIS OWN ETHNICITY. IF IT'S TRUE, HE'LL BE THE BIGGEST SURPRISE.

Don't worry, no admin allowed at meeting!!! No One above sergeant. But hey you know there will be note takers and spies, just watch you know who they are... ephuratrcurrie and ephuratcrenoshining, but don't be scared we will say what we want no matter whose there! Oh and I hear that during the meeting you can get your shoes shined and that Jenny Craig will be represented![/b]

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There are no moles in the dept. We are becoming too far apart from eachother. Our sergeants are our first line of defense from the outside world who have very little knowledge of how we function. How many seargeants would you not go through a door with? I tried, but I cant think of any of them that I wouldn"t trust. Some more than others but none that I wouldnt go through with. If we can not voice our opinions without fear of retribution, then we are in a sorry state. But I have the same reservations. Bottom line is, capt D with or without malice, has caused alot of division among the troops. We have officers that want to go out change the world, like we all did at one time and we stand behind them. All of our senior officers

handle there zones, backup there fellow officers and when a call comes out thats hot, they are on it like white on rice. But they may not find that arrests for minor offenses just dont float there boats anymore if not necessary. All of us should be valued because we are all a very important part of this dept. Numbers dont define an officer alone. I think that the seargeants who are in charge of a shift should sit down and make it clear what they expect of their troops. I know I wouldnt give any less than was asked for by my sgt. out of respect. LOL if it was reasonable. Capt. D.,Canine 2 did an awsome job as you aknowledged, but your aknowledgement was so thick with the c.c. to the chief, that pepto b. was needed to avoid up chuck-chucking. You advised that night that you were in route to the scene and it would have made a great deal of differance if you approached him one on one and praised his efforts. Instead you Emailed him and with the C.C to the chief the next day. Theres always a reason why u couldnt but it you had, you would have shown that even though u dont agree with his personality, it was a job well done. I guess u could chaulk it up to your sound leadership of men.

I DON'T THINK HE EVER SHOWED UP. HE WAS ON THE RADIO, AND HE DID ADVISE HE WAS ENROUTE, BUT I NEVER SAW HIM.

Dude, I was on that scene that night. Our fearless leader NEVER showed up. I doubt he even called the sgt. Leadership from the front, isn't that what he says? Its one thing to say it, a whole 'nother thing to live it.

I have seen him roll his eyes whenever someone talks good about K9-2, and from what I understand, he did NOTHING to back one of the other K9 guys under his command who got in a little situation. Had he done the right thing, it would have been a dead issue(handled fairly - but by now in the past), but he proved once again that all he cares about is hisself.

I agree with a prior post - there is not one sgt that is off of probation that I wouldn't trust to take care of us if it came down to it (some better than others). And by that I mean treat us fairly. But no way do I trust the captain to be there. I think he forgot where he came from, but Im sure it is from only haveing actually worked the road for a total of 12 months.

Just wanted to thank the PBA for doing the right thing and calling a meeting to discuss these issues. Personally, I think a lot on these blogs hit "below the belt" and are unnecessary, but I think that we all agree that there is an obvious problem.

It is nice to see that the PBA is, as always, living up to thier side of the bargain to stand up for the rank and file.

Keep up the great work!