CIS RUNNING CODE

Hey just a heads up, while sitting at 118 and us 19 in my POV Friday night around 2230 hrs a Critial Intervention Serv. car coming south bound activated his strobe bar and totally ran 118 and us 19. He kept his lights on almost all the way to 110th untill he saw the signal 15 officer. Keep an eye out for these idiots. I know it worries me and if they try that shit in Largo, i'm ganna giving the guy my bracelets.

I know running a red light is only a traffic infraction. I dont see where you can get an arrestable offense on that . it wouldnt even begin to fit impersonating a leo.

If someone is intentionally running red light, speeding and other factors wouldn't it fit reckless statute which is criminal?

you have to prove reckless disregard.

Yes.. that was very dangerous...and I know all your Post did was get some Legal Babble from some LEOS or Citizens...but .... seriously some of these guys drive around like they are real cops and if you see one in your rear view window..you would think they are since you cant see the color of the overheads. One of our midnight cops (That never pulls 10-50s) ... had one going e/b on Drew through Keene and ran a red light...and he stopped him. The CIS officer said he was enroute to an assault in progress! The officer should have let him go and ge into the assault and just waited around to pick up the pieces.. :) I guess they would be a nice Buffer between the Real Cops and the Bad Guys... :)

S-E-C-U-R-I-T-Y O-F-F-I-C-E-R

A trainned observor who when see or hears of a criminal offense calls Police and watches so they they can be a witness. They have the right to detain person for the Police, however they are trainned observers. Have you seen there lights bars now? The other day I saw one with a clear LED bar, and the others I have seen are now the real dark green strobes which look blue.

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S-E-C-U-R-I-T-Y O-F-F-I-C-E-R

A trained observer who when see or hears of a criminal offense calls Police and watches so they can be a witness. They have the right to detain person for the Police, however they are trained observers. Have you seen there lights bars now? The other day I saw one with a clear LED bar, and the others I have seen are now the real dark green strobes which look blue.

in response to the comment on green lights florida law has changed to allow Security officers to have a 50% green/50% amber light scheme.

also CPD dispatcher. YOu are aware striking that "buffer" ( a licensed security officer) is now a 3rd degree felony right? they are covered under 784.07 like other non sworn officers.

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S-E-C-U-R-I-T-Y O-F-F-I-C-E-R

A trained observer who when see or hears of a criminal offense calls Police and watches so they can be a witness. They have the right to detain person for the Police, however they are trained observers. Have you seen there lights bars now? The other day I saw one with a clear LED bar, and the others I have seen are now the real dark green strobes which look blue.

according to state statute a security officer is

493.6101

"Security officer" means any individual who, for consideration, advertises as providing or performs bodyguard services or otherwise guards persons or property; attempts to prevent theft or unlawful taking of goods, wares, and merchandise; or attempts to prevent the misappropriation or concealment of goods, wares or merchandise, money, bonds, stocks, choses in action, notes, or other documents, papers, and articles of value or procurement of the return thereof. The term also includes armored car personnel and those personnel engaged in the transportation of prisoners.

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I echo the comments of the last poster...

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thats a typical reply dont try and tell a cop something he may or may not know even if its a law they are paid to enforce.

If I ever see CIS run a light 10-18, I'll jerk his arse out of the car and place him in handcuffs. I'm also sick and tired of seeing the CIS SECURITY OFFICERS carrying their firearms everywhere. You are allowed to openly carry them on your assigned post, no where else! I've already warned 5 of these guys. Next time they will take a ride. I've seen them in IHOP eating dinner wearing their guns. I have respect for you all and the job you do, but I worked hard to get my blue lights. I pulled one over about a month ago on I-275 for 97 in a 55. Please heed the warning!!! Next time it will be impersonating and it will stick!!! If you activate your lightbar, go through a red light, speed, and in a CIS crown vic., trust me the state attorney will prosecute! We have enough idiots running around doing BS like this who actually pull people over. We don't need you guys doing it as well. Please just stick to your job and leave the law enforcement to the real cops. I'd be more than happy to back any of you up if you really needed assistance that bad.

-Trooper

If I ever see CIS run a light 10-18, I'll jerk his arse out of the car and place him in handcuffs. I'm also sick and tired of seeing the CIS SECURITY OFFICERS carrying their firearms everywhere. You are allowed to openly carry them on your assigned post, no where else! I've already warned 5 of these guys. Next time they will take a ride. I've seen them in IHOP eating dinner wearing their guns. I have respect for you all and the job you do, but I worked hard to get my blue lights. I pulled one over about a month ago on I-275 for 97 in a 55. Please heed the warning!!! Next time it will be impersonating and it will stick!!! If you activate your lightbar, go through a red light, speed, and in a CIS crown vic., trust me the state attorney will prosecute! We have enough idiots running around doing BS like this who actually pull people over. We don't need you guys doing it as well. Please just stick to your job and leave the law enforcement to the real cops. I'd be more than happy to back any of you up if you really needed assistance that bad.

-Trooper
You are misinformed in accordance with 493 statues in regard to security officers authority to carry firearms.
493.6115 Weapons and firearms.--

3) No employee shall carry or be furnished a weapon or firearm unless the carrying of a weapon or firearm is required by her or his duties, nor shall an employee carry a weapon or firearm except in connection with those duties. When carried pursuant to this subsection, the weapon or firearm shall be encased in view at all times except as provided in subsection (4).
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SO if the armed officer is a patrol officer under state law they can carry their firearm anywhere they are in performance of duties. SO you being sick of seeing it isnt a violation of law.

Also what reasonable person would think that a person with an amber light bar with CIS protection officer on the side of the car is a law enforcement officer. Smells like a false arrest to me. ALso what duty would the security officer be assuming for them to be impersonating?

If you are in an IHOP or shopping at the 7-eleven, you better be able to show me how that is in the lawful performance of your duty. If you are not at your post (designated assigned patrol area ie: apartment complex) than you should take your weapon off and leave it in the car. Slow down and stop trying to act like police. I respect what you do, but getting on a law enforcement board and being a smart a$$ about state stautes is foolish. Remember one day one of you from CIS may get certified and apply at an agency and the only thing people will rememebr is the wise comments you make on this board. Remember perception becomes reality

Florida Statue 316.2397 "Vehicles owned or leased by private security agencies may show or display green and amber lights, with either color being no greater than 50 percent of the lights displayed, while the security personnel are engaged in security duties on private or PUBLIC PROPERTY."

THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE RUNNING RED LIGHTS OR BREAKING THE SPEED LIMITS, BUT YOU CAN NOT ARREST OR ISSUE A CITATION TO THEM FOR RUNNING THEIR LIGHTS ON PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREETS.
FOCUS ON PEOPLE REALLY BREAKING THE LAW RATHER THEN TRYING TO SPEND ALL OF YOUR TIME MESSING WITH THESE GUYS.[/b]

Florida Statue 316.2397 "Vehicles owned or leased by private security agencies may show or display green and amber lights, with either color being no greater than 50 percent of the lights displayed, while the security personnel are engaged in security duties on private or PUBLIC PROPERTY."

I do not know if you are a police officer or a security professional but I find your interpretation of the law amusing. The funny part is how you drew attention to PUBLIC PROPERTY. The point you should have pointed out was "WHILE THE SECURITY PERSONNEL ARE ENGAGED IN SECURITY DUTIES". There is not legal protection for them while driving down the road or while responding to a property. Therefore, the activation of their lights anywhere other than on the property in which they provide services would be illegal, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.

I understand and agree that these guys should not be running code, but the fact is that we all know that a citation or 10-15 would not fly in court with a good defense attourney. This statue can be taken either way. ie running code to a call, which is in accordance to their duties. This is streching it, but with the right words in court it could fly. If one of these officers were running code to help one of their own in danger, I would look the other way as long as they are not running straight through lights. Law Enforcement or secuirty we both bleed the same.

YOU ALSO CAN'T TELL ME THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFF DUTY DOESN'T BREAK THE LAW LIKE SEEPING. COME ON WE ARE NOT PERFECT!

I never "seep" off duty.

(5) AUTHORIZED EMERGENCY VEHICLES.--

(a)1. The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle, when responding to an emergency call, when in the pursuit of an actual or suspected violator of the law, or when responding to a fire alarm, but not upon returning from a fire;

2. A medical staff physician or technician of a medical facility licensed by the state when responding to an emergency in the line of duty in his or her privately owned vehicle, using red lights as authorized in s. 316.2398; or

3. The driver of an authorized law enforcement vehicle, when conducting a nonemergency escort, to warn the public of an approaching motorcade;

may exercise the privileges set forth in this section, but subject to the conditions herein stated.

(b) The driver of a vehicle specified in paragraph (a), except when otherwise directed by a police officer, may:

1. Park or stand, irrespective of the provisions of this chapter;

2. Proceed past a red or stop signal or stop sign, but only after slowing down as may be necessary for safe operation;

3. Exceed the maximum speed limits so long as the driver does not endanger life or property;

4. Disregard regulations governing direction or movement or turning in specified directions, so long as the driver does not endanger life or property.

(c) The foregoing provisions shall not relieve the driver of a vehicle specified in paragraph (a) from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons, nor shall such provisions protect the driver from the consequences of his or her reckless disregard for the safety of others.

History.--s. 1, ch. 71-135; ss. 1, 7, ch. 76-31; s. 2, ch. 77-456; s. 1, ch. 80-176; s. 1, ch. 88-74; s. 301, ch. 95-148; s. 14, ch. 97-256; s. 15, ch. 97-300; s. 87, ch. 99-13; s. 93, ch. 99-248.

Note.--Former s. 316.051.

The information provided above is directly from Florida Law. Security Officers as defined by Ch. 493 are not Goverment agents or LEO and CANNOT run code to anything, ANYTHING. They can turn their lights on all day but again, CANNOT break any traffic law, for any reason

If you have a firearm in a public place, which isn't your assigned post, you're fair game for a 10-15! Trust me, I'll do it! I'm sick of you guys thinking you're real cops. And yes running code, on a public street, when others think you're an officer, is impersonating! We get calls all the time of idiots running lights with their emergency lights activated. They think it's law enforcement and we end up catching hell for the stupid shit you guys pull. KNOCK IT OFF!!!

-TROOPER

TROOPER you must be new to FHP. Why dont you relax and become a real cop.

How exactly does one mistake orange / green lightbars "running code" for all blue of FHP?

Next question, I think you are on a city board in the wrong county because nobody calls FHP to report things, they normally call a city or a county...

sniff sniff sniff.

Do I smell and imposter Trooper?

[taserm18]

If you have a firearm in a public place, which isn't your assigned post, you're fair game for a 10-15! Trust me, I'll do it! I'm sick of you guys thinking you're real cops. And yes running code, on a public street, when others think you're an officer, is impersonating! We get calls all the time of idiots running lights with their emergency lights activated. They think it's law enforcement and we end up catching hell for the stupid shizzat you guys pull. KNOCK IT OFF!!!

-TROOPER

Ok trooper what level offense is a violation of 493 since your so familiar with it?

In response to the last know it all; it would not be a violation of 493 it would be a violation of 790 and the traffic would be 316,322, etc. 493 is a guide like everything else.

chapter 493 is state law not a guide. a violation of 493 is a misdemeanor of the first degree.
493.6120 Violations; penalty.--

(1) Any person who violates any provision of this chapter except s. 493.6405 commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

chapter 493 is state law not a guide. a violation of 493 is a misdemeanor of the first degree.
493.6120 Violations; penalty.--

(1) Any person who violates any provision of this chapter except s. 493.6405 commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Security officers when on duty are governed by 493.

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This is not an FHP board or a Security Officers Board....

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If you have a firearm in a public place, which isn't your assigned post, you're fair game for a 10-15! Trust me, I'll do it! I'm sick of you guys thinking you're real cops.

-TROOPER

No offense, but I would suggest contacting your agency's legal counsel first. I contacted the SAO and the state department that license security (Agriculture or DBPR, I don't recall off hand now), and both gave opinions that carrying a firearm while moving between posts including meal/personal breaks is allowable. Granted a lot of these guys are over-the-top, but being "sick of these guys" is never a good reason to 10-15.