where are they now

Does anyone remember where any of the the "old" guys from the East Region are.. what are they up to now??? I knew some from the 80s 90s

Wow, they must be gone AND forgotten.. Oneal, retired McGuirt, passed away. Blackford retired... must be more

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don't forget Junebug, he's still hanging around doing funeral escorts.

Good ole LT Bug, what can I say?????

What about Hamp Plowden and Mark Taylor...and Sgt. Joe Smith?

Mark Taylor is a lawyer in Bartow now .... has been for at least a couple of years. Hamp went to work for one of the mines and apparently is doing well.

There really is LIFE after the sheriff's office and PROCAP ... I envy those who have gone on to find that this is so. I hope to find it one day soon myself.

work used to be fun....then came procap. we didn't need data analysts to tell us who the criminals were or where the crime was happening at. we knew from working our zones. procap has been a big morale killer and has caused many good supervisors to retire. nothing but a big numbers game.

Can your sheriff only read numbers??

I am an analyst & have you to know that our stuff has come in handy on many occassions.. we've helped ya'll out w/ stuff that ya'll didn't figure out on your own. Especially since the suspects don't know boundaries & can go from nw to ne & etc. We find the crimes that appear to be the same & it has ended in arrests due to this. Where as ya'll as deputies don't keep communication up as well between you & the other regions like us analyst do between eachother!! I'm sure if you speak to some of the detectives that have found us to be of good help you'll find out we do help ya'll out!!! :x

Hey analyst.... it's not 1700 hrs yet. Aren't you supposed to be working instead of playing on the internet?

Exactly, I agree, you should be working, thats how our reports get lost to records.

Besides, we on law enforcement have meetings to prepare for meetings to prepare for the big meetings. Unfortunately each district has its 'im not talking to the other district' and therefore suspects go from one place to another.

as much as i agree that tracking crime, you analyst, that must be taking your 15 minute smoke break, but we are still reactive to the problem. it takes 1-15 days for the report to come out, earliest is 7 days. Still reactive. As some deputies turn in reports, others get lost somehow.

There needs to be more law enforcement on the road. as much as procap works, it also doesnt work. Cost and effect, trial and error. Costing us deputies for the effect of trying to reduce crime.

I dont think Dundee PD does Pro Cap. Why not go to work there and stop *****ing about what you have to do on your job... Or man up and tell Grady what you think about it...

"Unfortunately each district has its 'im not talking to the other district' and therefore suspects go from one place to another. " If that is true, then you must be part of the problem, who said you cant takl to other districs, dont they have phones, laptops... to make it easy, they even drive the same looking cars....

work used to be fun....then came procap. we didn't need data analysts to tell us who the criminals were or where the crime was happening at. we knew from working our zones. procap has been a big morale killer and has caused many good supervisors to retire. nothing but a big numbers game.
It this is all true, then go arrest the criminals (you know where they are). If you dont need to be told where the crime is, go stop it... Then you will have good stats to take to the meeting that you have to get ready for the meeting, then the BIG meeting... God, I love my job...

LMAO yeah.... PROCAP !! GO arrest everyone in sight for possession of a seed !! GO arrest everyone who's DWLSR !! So the whole other FOUR of us remaining have to pick up your slack... NOW THATS PROCAP!!

Yeah other agencies may not have procap , and they have manpower. So to the idiot above..... "WHY DONT YOU GO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE AND STOP BICHIN" is the most overused IRRITATING phrase ! cuz ummm ya cant just pack up and leave. and you have every right to say what is wrong with your agency when u see crap going downhill on a daily basis.

And I believe its the SSO's that are responsible for the lost reports not the analysts. And yeah MOST of those spend too much time flirting with the deputies and not enough time taking their measly over the phone calls and NOT LOOSING our reports .

To Guest99

Why dont you man up and tell Grady how stupid you think his Pro-Cap is.. you carry a gun, yet affraid of the boss...

I do my work.. There's nothing wrong w/ playing during my breaks.. you know we are allowed lunch & 2 15 min breaks.. I do my job & I do it to the best of my ability & happen to help out my detectives & etc. If you don't like procap or having analysts.. then like the other person said.. go elsewhere to work. If I weren't doing my job I wouldn't have helped solved crimes & seen trends that others have failed to see. And also like guest said.. u have laptops & phones.. use them & communicate w/ other districts or atleast w/ thier analyst.. then you have communication.. All of us analyst are willing to help out anyway we can to help you guys!! This posting is the FIRST thing I've ever seen negative about analysts... nobody else has complained.. they've thanks us!!

That has got to be the most stupid post yet... "you carry a gun but are afraid of the boss" . What does carrying a gun have to do with it and second, I dont know who you work for but if you value your job you cant go to the boss and complain. We've asked for manpower and get shot down... we ask for radios that will work OUT OF OUR CARS and no we get shot down.

And people like you with no clue as to what goes on want to throw out an idiotic comment like that ?? Dont bich when you gota burglary or need any other law enforcement service and have to wait over and hour because other deputies are PROCAPIN

That has got to be the most stupid post yet... "you carry a gun but are afraid of the boss" . What does carrying a gun have to do with it and second, I dont know who you work for but if you value your job you cant go to the boss and complain. We've asked for manpower and get shot down... we ask for radios that will work OUT OF OUR CARS and no we get shot down.

And people like you with no clue as to what goes on want to throw out an idiotic comment like that ?? Dont bich when you gota burglary or need any other law enforcement service and have to wait over and hour because other deputies are PROCAPIN

You are so wrong, i can and have gone to my sheriff and voiced my thoughts, good and bad, a professional sheriff welcomes that... give it a try 30 plus years of service

Thanks Guest 99!! The reports normally are lost either during seperation or while being in distribution.. there's not been one case yet where the analyst or data entry have lost the reports. And some have even been found to be lost in process of being signed off..

kind of funny to me... where in the hell did the topic of pro(crap) and analysts go into the "WHERE ARE THEY NOW" topic ??????

It's not the system; It's how the numbers are interpreted and taken as absolute indicators of success or failure. We all know that 25 smashed mail boxes can push a district over the edge and in to the realm of.... "look how bad you guys/gals screwed up". But are 25 smashed mail boxes an indicator of society going to hell in a hand basket?? Of course not!! Some are sharp enough to realize this but others are apparently not. The system works if we don't get so focused in on numbers that we lose our objectivity. Remember, if we won every day, 100% of the time... pretty soon we would all be out of a job... I hear Walmart is hiring... what you guys think? LOL, just kidding.[/img]

thats exactly right. If you have a backwoods sector like 22.... they may have 2-3 burglaries... then the next month they have 6 ... 100% increase in crime you lousey deputies!!!!!!! you need to do your jobs..... WHERE is the accountability on umm PROCAP UNITS and ECHO UNITS ?????

we are told to stop cars... run radar.... give tickets... (TRAFFIC UNITS)
we are told to get warrants !!! (WARRANTS UNITS)
we are told to handle the call in the COPS areas (COPS UNITS)
we are told to go herd cattle (TANGO UNITS)

i am in NO WAY knocking the afore mentioned units but PATROL gets screwed over !! we are expected to do ALL OF THOSE a day AND answer 20 calls for service and write reports all day. And when the higher ups hear we just CANT pull it off with the allotted manpower on the roads..... all they have to says is "i dont want to hear it"

well u know unless u $&*@ us some deputies.... we AINT gonna do all that

thats exactly right. If you have a backwoods sector like 22.... they may have 2-3 burglaries... then the next month they have 6 ... 100% increase in crime you lousey deputies!!!!!!! you need to do your jobs..... WHERE is the accountability on umm PROCAP UNITS and ECHO UNITS ?????

we are told to stop cars... run radar.... give tickets... (TRAFFIC UNITS)
we are told to get warrants !!! (WARRANTS UNITS)
we are told to handle the call in the COPS areas (COPS UNITS)
we are told to go herd cattle (TANGO UNITS)

i am in NO WAY knocking the afore mentioned units but PATROL gets screwed over !! we are expected to do ALL OF THOSE a day AND answer 20 calls for service and write reports all day. And when the higher ups hear we just CANT pull it off with the allotted manpower on the roads..... all they have to says is "i dont want to hear it"

well u know unless u $&*@ us some deputies.... we AINT gonna do all that


I guess if you cant change it, dont like it, then you might want to look for another job that will let you do as you want, not what the boss wants...

oh no it not that we dont WANT to do those things... believe me i personally would rather do that all day then deal with BS calls ! but when you have to hump calls all day... miss lunch.... maybe not even get a chance to pee.... then get biched at in briefings because you didnt pull warrants and stop cars and run radar THAT IS when it gets a bit old.

Well- to the person who said "You carry a gun and are scared to talk to your boss" ....Apparently you have never been to those meetings..(i.e. Breakfast with the Sheriff) or S.W.O.T where you tell them your concerns and shortfalls. You go there...tell them some of the issues of being understaffed (On the road and in the jails). They give you the line: Well just do the best that you can. I've been there and done that and was shot down for comments, they only want to hear positive comments. Oh and after you get back to work from those meetings...getting called in to the Administrative offices and asked about your comments??? Uh Yeah it's not all about manning up and saying where there are problems. Cause they don't want to hear it! There are alot of reasons the S.O is a great place to work. But, when you are in a job where your life is on the line day in and day out....(it's hard for us to take advise from an ANALYST about leaving our jobs and going somewhere else if we don't like it) BECAUSE WE NEED MORE DEPUTIES ON THE ROAD and IN THE JAILS to do our jobs effectively! No disrespect to you Mr or Mrs Analyst but there is no comparison on our job safety and yours.

I have to agree. We definately need extra man power in the jails and on the streets. Not only in one, but all substations I go in, I see some people joking and laughing, not one or two times, but ALL the time. I have NEVER seen them work. There are some hard working civilians and they are to be commended on the great job they do, however, when one of the slackers actually DOES their job, they get Civilian of the year, etc. All the hardworking civilians get is a PBA or a verbal, thanks. I see that with law enforcement and with detention staff as well. I go into the main S.O. and I see records section, laughing and joking, I have never seen some of them work. But I overhead some people last time I was at the main S.O. the records staff are alloted overtime because they are behind in filing reports. I hear that 4-6 pages of deputies reports are missing every 2-4 months. I once got a interoffice envelope with my original report that stated it was sent to lakeland courthouse and they were returning the report to me because they didnt know where to send it. WTH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??! THe DV battery report was 6 months old. This is also the same report that kept getting 'lost' Even when I hand delivered it. Some how its the deputies fault for not doing the report, not the filer. 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc, I can see how thats hard to file.

Interaction meetings are a waste of time. On the law enforcement side, we have asked about radios, radio towers, computer connections, etc. Stuff that is of our safety and we get the, well, we just installed a such and such priced tower, it should work, next question. Or if your computer connection goes down, how about you send us an email where its down at. Um, staff member, please rethink that statement before you say that again. I can understand that little things that are requested. more pay for training trainees.. we get, NOPE< next question. I can understand, thats extra money per trainee per week. I would rather have working officer safety equipment then extra 5-10 bucks on training trainees.

All I would like to see if SOME of those chiefs and Captains that dont do traffic stops or answer calls to do that just ONE day out of the month. YOu answering calls, taking reports. Not riding with a deputy to see what they do. For those Cheifs and Captains that do, Thank you. You have an understanding of what goes on with the road and as much as you are off the road, you are still helping out answering calls or doing traffic stops to understand what goes on. Your common sense of the road isnt all lost. A law enforcement upper staff should still keep in touch with its roots. we ALL start from patrol, the higher up you travel up the chain of command, the more you lose the road knowledge. What you think MIGHt be best for patrol, might not work anymore. Just because you are a patrol LT doesnt mean you work the road... exit out of the office, more then just for lunch or to go to the next substation for a meeting and answer calls.... oh and answering calls by the telephone doesnt count. thats just being an SSO.

....(it's hard for us to take advise from an ANALYST about leaving our jobs and going somewhere else if we don't like it)[quote:ay3g3exu]
When I made that comment i was just a lil ticked off that someone was turning this conversation into not needing analysts & such & how we don't help. When I know for a fact we've helped solve cases others couldn't solve. Thats all.. sorry for anyone I angered.. & I actually repeated it from what looked like one of ur fellow deputies saying it.. & ran w/ it. We are some of those civilians that bust out behinds just to have to pat ourselves on the backs most of the time. So it's aggrivating that we know we've helped solve cases or helped out dets or deputies or whomever & either 1) get slammed on or 2) get no recognition.. which i can handle the no recognition better than being slammed on. We are only doing our jobs to help ya'll guys out w/ catching criminals.. so for those that don't like us or don't think we help.. sorry we try & have given others help in solving cases before. [/quote:ay3g3exu]

BOUT THAT I USED THE QUOTE WRONG.. NEVER TRIED DOING THE QUOTE BEFORE.. I WROTE WHAT WAS IN THE WHITE BOX.. MY BAD

Everyone at the agency has a job to do whether its civilians of sworn members. Yes we have slackers both in the office and behind the wheels of the green n whites... Lets not loose focus here people... we arent fighting each other we fighting those higher ups that as the above guest stated have no idea whats good for the road.

We have a dam mess everyday when we come into work.. calls stacked up , pending for over an hour, which we get chewed out for...

heres a great one... lately staff have been calling out traffic stops.. askin for a unit for this or that... and ummm silence... wonder why theres NO ONE LEFT TO DO !#$ out here !!

think they would pay attention and think hmmm somethings wrong ? hell no.

Not only in one, but all substations I go in, I see some people joking and laughing, not one or two times, but ALL the time. I have NEVER seen them work. There are some hard working civilians and they are to be commended on the great job they do, however, when one of the slackers actually DOES their job, they get Civilian of the year, etc. All the hardworking civilians get is a PBA or a verbal, thanks. I see that with law enforcement and with detention staff as well. I go into the main S.O. and I see records section, laughing and joking, I have never seen some of them work. But I overhead some people last time I was at the main S.O. the records staff are alloted overtime because they are behind in filing reports. I hear that 4-6 pages of deputies reports are missing every 2-4 months. I once got a interoffice envelope with my original report that stated it was sent to lakeland courthouse and they were returning the report to me because they didnt know where to send it. WTH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??! THe DV battery report was 6 months old. This is also the same report that kept getting 'lost' Even when I hand delivered it. Some how its the deputies fault for not doing the report, not the filer. 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc, I can see how thats hard to file.

Oh no doubt!!! That is ALL the records section does is screw off!! Due to my job I have to go in just about daily. It is one of the most unproffessional departments at the SO. I just wonder when I go in there, where did the dress code go??? I see the girls in FLIP-FLOPS, tops that show their bellys etc. I thought there was somewhere in the GO's that describes dress code. I think they are behind in not filing, but scanning for the new system. But your right on one thing, they can loose some reports, as there is no real system in there and when you yack and screw off all day you are not paying attention to your job. It all comes down to poor management!!! It is a real joke and for the ones that DO work their tails off at the SO we sit and say WHY, when ones like that do nothing! I go in other depts. and their working, you don't hear they running their mouths non-stop and running around like a bunch of kids. If only the brass would go down there and make an unannounced walk thru!

lets see john thompson is in n.c bob kerr in n.c or tenn, roger phillips is in ga, charlie byrie in n fl,, ray faulk in tenn

retirees dont even feel safe to retire here LOL.. they know the lack of manpower.

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you guys are definatly right about records. they are the most unprofessional section in our agency. but if you guys only knew the half of it lol....now they have this thing where they only have ONE phone line, so if u try and call, more than likely it will be ringing busy..and then when you ever do get thru they will tell you it will take THREE days to get ur report to you... THREEEEEEEEEEEE DAYYYYYYYYYSSSSSSSS????? are you *&(*& kidding me? and then they just sent out some memo giving the standard bullcrap excuse "oh we are short staffed and there is just too much work" blah blah blah *&(*&*&( blah! here is an idea, uuuh do ur work during 8-5 instead of goofing off....hmm ever think of that one?????? i dont have 3 days to wait for a report. i have my own work to do and how am i supposed to explain that to my sgt when my sgt asks whats up with a case im working?????????????? and ps records, this whole agency is short staffed so just buck up and get the work done...you dont see the rest of us pulling that $*(&*

Damn, you guys ***** about records, pro cap, radios and who sends what to who.. is there anyone there at PCSO that likes the job.... you sound like pre school kids...

darn, you guys ***** about records, pro cap, radios and who sends what to who.. is there anyone there at PCSO that likes the job.... you sound like pre school kids...


Are you not happy with us? Gosh, you are venting like we do. There are plenty of good things about the S.O... i get decent pay, decent insurance, majority of the people i work with are great. But You never hear about good things.. not human nature.. it is to complain. So deal with it. Dont like it, dont read it. .... Thank you and have a nice day.

I can't imagine having a problem with ladies wearing flip flops and showing their bellies ...... unless, of course, they have gross feet and/or gross bellies ........

I can't imagine having a problem with ladies wearing flip flops and showing their bellies ...... unless, of course, they have gross feet and/or gross bellies ........

At the beach maybe, but not in a business! There is a dress code, somewhere here :( or lets say there USED to be one

darn, you guys ***** about records, pro cap, radios and who sends what to who.. is there anyone there at PCSO that likes the job.... you sound like pre school kids...


OMG !!!!!!!!!! WE BICH ABOUT RADIOS NOT WORKING AND MANPOWER... how the HELL DO WE DARE ! YOU MORON its called OFFICER SAFETY. That concept is NOT IMPORTANT HERE. Radio reception when we are chasing burglary suspects on foot is importance. And lets seee.... backup deputies are also needed. This aint Mayberrry here Opie... some things are necessary. IF YOU had any family in law enforcement perhaps you would see the necessity of such things. But if the apple dont fall far from the tree.... im sure GLAD you dont have family in Law enforcement.

darn, you guys ***** about records, pro cap, radios and who sends what to who.. is there anyone there at PCSO that likes the job.... you sound like pre school kids...


OMG !!!!!!!!!! WE BICH ABOUT RADIOS NOT WORKING AND MANPOWER... how the HELL DO WE DARE ! YOU MORON its called OFFICER SAFETY. That concept is NOT IMPORTANT HERE. Radio reception when we are chasing burglary suspects on foot is importance. And lets seee.... backup deputies are also needed. This aint Mayberrry here Opie... some things are necessary. IF YOU had any family in law enforcement perhaps you would see the necessity of such things. But if the apple dont fall far from the tree.... im sure GLAD you dont have family in Law enforcement.


I am in Law Enforcement.. guess that makes me a moron too.. I just do my job and dont cry about it... become a supervisor and make changes.. oh no better to cry about the hard life you have.. what do you have 2-3 years under your belt??? Talk to some that have 20-30 years, then you can see just how good you have it now,,,

darn, you guys ***** about records, pro cap, radios and who sends what to who.. is there anyone there at PCSO that likes the job.... you sound like pre school kids...


OMG !!!!!!!!!! WE BICH ABOUT RADIOS NOT WORKING AND MANPOWER... how the HELL DO WE DARE ! YOU MORON its called OFFICER SAFETY. That concept is NOT IMPORTANT HERE. Radio reception when we are chasing burglary suspects on foot is importance. And lets seee.... backup deputies are also needed. This aint Mayberrry here Opie... some things are necessary. IF YOU had any family in law enforcement perhaps you would see the necessity of such things. But if the apple dont fall far from the tree.... im sure GLAD you dont have family in Law enforcement.


Guest99 Officer safety is what YOU make of it, it is not back up.. well before back up can get to you.. I think officers are way to dependant on back up to the point that they cant work alone... I see and hear calls for back up way more than needed,, as for radios, well there was a time that we needed to find a phone to get what back up there was and it might be a hour away... MADE MEN out us. We learned officer safety pretty quickly. Of the officer shootings you have had in Polk, how many were in a area that back up was seconds away and how many where back up was a long distance away... I bet the shootings happened where back up was close...

I am in Law Enforcement.. guess that makes me a moron too.. I just do my job and dont cry about it... become a supervisor and make changes.. oh no better to cry about the hard life you have.. what do you have 2-3 years under your belt??? Talk to some that have 20-30 years, then you can see just how good you have it now,,,

to the above GUEST... you know I HAVE been a leo a tad longer then that.. .. and also... lets see its 2007 . We dont have to push our cars uphill in the snow anymore... we HAVE radios that WOULD work if they had enough towers , and since Sept. our shifts have decreased so getting back up in ANY situation is NOT that rapid... hmmm we also dont have the bubble light on top of our k cars. Times have changed.

Oh the "K" car, be still my heart, our first drive home car, some even made it home without Howard having to add bailing wire...

to the above GUEST... you know I HAVE been a leo a tad longer then that.. .. and also... lets see its 2007 . We dont have to push our cars uphill in the snow anymore... we HAVE radios that WOULD work if they had enough towers , and since Sept. our shifts have decreased so getting back up in ANY situation is NOT that rapid... hmmm we also dont have the bubble light on top of our k cars. Times have changed.

I take it that you are not a Corky fan??? Well he will have to run for election again and you can do your best to put up someone that will understand the shorthanded shifts, crappy radios, stupid pro cap, bad supervisors that let women dress in belly shirts and all the other bad things that are going on there... Perhaps the Ledger would like to know of the problems... Soon you will have Eagle Lake and their officers in the ranks...

darn, you guys ***** about records, pro cap, radios and who sends what to who.. is there anyone there at PCSO that likes the job.... you sound like pre school kids...

i love my job. we are all short handed,and that's tough to live with. probably best not to bash the people we depend on without offering a solution. more often than not,i just reprint my report from the laptop. i'm only interested in my narrative anyway.

pw

full off-duty use of your patrol car when gas prices are well over $3, free laptop computer with full internet access at (typically) broadband speed, insurance coverage (which when there is an increase, the county usually absorbs so we don't see it), a car radio which allows you to talk to Tokyo, a Sheriff and upper staff which fully supports their people (when the people are in the right), a car full of equipment (to include stop sticks, flashlight, extra radio battery on an in-car charger, shotgun, rifle if you want one, every report form known to man), any type of stationary you need to do your job more efficiently, the provision of everything you wear everyday (with the exception of socks, underwear, t-shirt, footwear, and sunglasses), a Glock .40 caliber handgun with attached light for low-light combat, GPS system to find your way around, a range that is open every day for you to practice your firearm skills, tuition reimbursement at state rate for college education... for ANY degree you WANT, salary incentive up to a master's degree (which is the exception, not the norm), dozens of specialty units to apply for, not a dime out of your pocket for state retirement.

I'm sure I'm forgetting something, but we have it pretty good at the Polk County Sheriff's Office. When you start feeling down, go to www.theledger.com (http://www.theledger.com) and look at the evaluation done at Bartow P.D. and see what they are having to go through right now, or talk to other people at other agencies and compare things with them. If you've never worked anywhere else, you probably are one crying, if you've worked elsewhere, you can really appreciate what we have at PCSO. Believe me, we could have it A LOT worse than the minor things we tend to complain about.

MINOR THINGS we cry about.. yeah your are sooo right.. working with less then HALF the manpower we should have per shift... no backup .... yeah those are petty details because WE HAVE FREE POST IT NOTES AND BLACK INK PENS...

and we can talk to TOKYO on our radios ??? YEAHHHHhh thats why when we get out of our cars our hand helds give us an OUT OF RANGE signal, busy signals, or plain out CANT be understood.

But hey, officer safety dont mean @#@! as long as we have free stationary . If you are trying to be a recruiter you REALLY need to wake up.

Andy and Barney never needed no stinkin radios... I guess if there are no radios there is no crime.. Aunt Bea's chicken always looked good...

Its not camera grady you work for.