TheBuzzKill wrote:Assumptions assumptions, you think I'm calling you a hippie because of your education, and I'm afraid of education like your afraid of vagina (a pretty accurate assumption if I must say so myself). I'm a college grad with a bachelors, and I'm not a hippie. I'm calling you one because of your backwards way of thinking and the fact that you (being an educated person) have been completely taken by this 'drugs are not bad' idea, you being an educated person, I figured you would have caught the grasp of my comments long ago (but if I have to explain everything then just let me know). And as far as being a 'college know-it-all hippie'...well...the sh!t your saying, you would have to go to college to say something as stupid as what you're saying. and you being an educated person, I'm surprised that you still have looked passed my first (and most important) point...facts (even the facts that you're waisting your time looking up)....CAN BE MADE UP AND BIAS. But you (pathetically) keep looking up such facts and feel the need to post them...ON A POLICE WEBSITE (again...truly retarded). I guess what I'm saying in this post (because aparently I have to explain them to you now) is opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one...yours just stinks a little bit more . And as far as you not assuming anything or getting defensive because you wanted to be better than that...well...it seems I've finally brought you down to my level.
P.S. mr. author, I hope you never go away...you're becoming alot of fun
I am glad your finally having fun and not quite so angry. You've been giving me a regular good laugh too. I'd like to recap the details you you've missed:
I discussed my daughter's father - so it's ms. author, not mr. (I can guarantee you I'm not afraid of what I have, and I don't need a video.)
I have never said "drugs are not bad". What I did say is: "As someone who suffers many health problems, which even my doctor says cannabis would be a physically safer choice than all the chemical phamaceuticals which cause much damage to the body and are far more addictive and leave me bed ridden if I took them all. I would like to see it (cannabis) permitted for medicinal use. However Florida does not have medicinal use. Due to my position I do not use cannabis! I will continue to fight for medicinal use in Florida." (Actually nationwide, though not previously stated.) "I am 54 years old and most likely will be dead within 6 years, (meaning I most likely won't see my 60th birthday) so what have I got to loose."
I also stated "It is my health stuggle which lead me to LEAP and further investigation, information, and insight. If the government controlled cannabis and drugs, there would be no more drug related violence, drug cartels, and no more drug dealers on the streets. Wouldn't that be a nicer way to live? 37% increase in deaths of officer this year, wouldn't a decrease be better? Lower crime, less use, especially by the youth. I'd like to see that before I die."
As an author whose health has turned me into an activist (something I never dreamt I would ever do). I don't need to waste my time looking up facts. I have them readily available from previous published articles I've written and from conversing with many politicians.
I was inspired by Neill Franklin of LEAP, a 33 year veteran of the Baltimore Police, when he stated, "We the people have to educate ourselves so we that can talk to those cops and those cops that you know and let them know - hey we know you don’t want to be doing this stuff and we’re going to help you shift that focus back to where it needs to be so you can get back to doing those things that you signed on for. They need your help. They need your voice. The bloggers that are out there, please talk about this, and let these cops know, that you support what you’re doing and that you want them to do real honest good police work."
Franklin later went on to say, ”You’ll hear the opposition talk about more drugged drivers on the streets. You’ll hear the opposition talking about marijuana being a gateway drug. But I want to focus on those drivers on the street. If people want to smoke marijuana and drive, they are doing it already. There is no doubt about it. For decades we in the law enforcement community have had the tools to recognize those who are driving while under the influence of drugs. There called drug recognition experts. I was one. I arrested hundreds for DUIs during my time in law enforcement. Not once had I arrested one person for using marijuana in and of itself. They were always on something else if marijuana was even in the game. It’s alcohol and it’s prescription drugs. Alcohol and prescription drugs, keep that in mind because those numbers are not going to increase as they would like you to believe.”
Neill Franklin displayed a photo from the end of prohibition era, depicting a vehicle painted with the words Protect Our Youth, Stamp Out Prohibition, Save Our Children, with moms and children and an officer around the vehicle. Franklin commented, “You’ve heard about women, back in the 1920-early 1930’s when we ended alcohol prohibition, it was because of women. It was because of moms. And moms are starting to make that shift today. When they get the information, when they get the facts, when they find out what’s really going on they make good decisions. Moms have always made good decisions. Let’s get the Moms movement with us on this."
I guess the women listened, 2 new groups - Moms for Marijuana and the Women's Marijuana Movement.
From LEOAFFAIRS.COM, LLC We encourage access and participation by Law Enforcement Personnel, the Media and the Public. In this way the LEOs (law enforcement officers) can post about the pros and cons within their industry, Media can pick up on the stories and publicize them and the General Public can respond by applying pressure to the agencies and powers that be for any changes they see fit." And, "Here’s an opportunity to voice your opinion, ask questions, become more informed, make a stand or engage in a healthy debate."
So what's retarded about responding to the invitation, especially considering I was inspired by LEAP? As someone who doesn't use drugs, not even the majority that are prescribed to me, what is the harm in the discussion?
Activism and opening dialog is not against the law.
The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this. - Albert Einstein
i still agree wrote:yeah mr author, this stuff is kinda gettin old. do you really think your going to change the police world with your stupid bullsh!t. and that the names your using are 'learn more' and 'the author', i mean really? do you think your some sort of professor or something? with the way you write, i think if i met you in person you would be really stuck up. go preach somewhere else!!
I learned long ago, leave the emotions out and stick to the point of discussion and the facts. I apologize if that made me come across as stuck up. Or do you feel left out because I hadn't responded to your comment. Is that why you think I might be stuck up?
No, I don't think I am going to change the thinking of the entire "police world". AsI said previously, "While I may not have opened your mind at all, perhaps I have opened 1 or 2, maybe more, maybe none. One mind at a time. Change is never easy, sometimes it is needed."
As stated previously, I did not start this post. I found it and I did read the riot act to the one who did start it and banned them from using my computer. I originally responded to a questioning of the statistics in an article I wrote, though only a portion of it was posted. Personally, if I had posted it, I would have posted the entire article. I have appreciated the opportunity to explain further with each response.
According to the Terms of Use "If at any time you are not happy with the Forums or object to any material within Forums, your sole remedy is to cease using them." Or quit giving me something to respond to. No one says you have to read anything I or anyone else writes. Why do you open the topic again? Ignor it, simple. Buzzkill said he hopes I never go away, he is enjoying the banter, guess that's why he keeps prodding me to respond.
Of coarse an other idea is lets go all out. Outlaw alcohol, after all, it is a drug too. It has no medicinal value and is far more damaging to the mind, body and society than cannabis. It has psychotropic effects. It certainly causes more domestic and other violence. Lets go further, drug test every person on the planet weekly! Do you honestly believe every cop, prosecutor, lawyer, judge and politician could pass a urinalysis? Lets outlaw every prescribed medicine that has any psychotropic effect. That will put an end to the pill poppers. Oh and even Benadryl and those cough meds. Lets eliminate caffeine and tobacco too! Oh yes we can't forget sugar! That should be eliminated too! It has no healthy benefits, it's addictive, it should go. No more kids on a sugar rush, nope, forbidden, it's a gateway.
No worries, the new state and federal congress is about to take office. My hiatus is coming to a close.
The world that we have made as a result of the level of thinking that we have done so far, has created problems we cannot solve at the level of thinking at which we created them.." - Albert Einstein
guest108 wrote:seriously, whoever this author is needs to just shut up, if your saying things like this and you work for this dept then its good that your staying anonymous. and if you dont work for this dept then f#*k off. no one likes you here
So don't read it! Don't open the topic. It is that simple. Freedom of speech does not force you to listen. Change the channel. This topic has had over 480 views somebody is reading something.
"For more than six hundred years -- that is, since the Magna Carta in 1215 -- there has been no clearer principle of English or American constitutional law than that, in criminal cases, it is not only the right and duty of juries to judge what are the facts, what is the law, and what was the moral intent of the accused; but that it is also their right, and their primary and paramount duty, to judge the justice of the law, and to hold all laws invalid, that are, in their opinion, unjust, oppressive, and all persons guiltless in violating or resisting the execution of such laws." - Lysander Spooner who also said - "Vices are not crimes."
“Prohibition…goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.” - Abraham Lincoln, December, 1840 -
Medicinal use huh? How many people do you think we arrest use marijuana for a medicinal purpose? (not to mention you dont need to legalize it for everyone if all your concerned about is medicinal usage...that usage is known as a 'right' not a 'privilege') I'm don't think I've heard yet from someone, "man, if it wasn't for this damn glaucoma then I wouldn't be going to jail." but I'll let you know if I ever do. And all your presenting this whole time is left-winged propaganda. I don't care how you say it or dress it up. It's nothing but bias, and your stupid enough to believe that's the only truth. What about in the revolutionary and civil war days? before they bit the bullet they took a fifth of liquor to ease the pain, was that not medicinal usage for it's day and time? But you believe we should outlaw that because some people abuse it (just like weed). With that train of thought then we should outlaw vehicles too because some people abuse those and drive so reckless they kill people. We should also outlaw scissors beause I read a story about someone who was stabbed to death with scissors last year and that's just unacceptable, I mean if there were no scissors in the world then that man would still be alive! How could we have let that happen?!?!?!? WE SHOULD HAVE KNOW THAT SCISSORS ARE EVIL!
You also proudly state that you're a female, sorry I must have missed that, since you tend to put me in a coma from your ten page replys that you always give back to prove that you're smarter than me (even though none of your responses contain any original thought, only regurgitated bias youtube videos). Okay 'Ms. Author', and now I'm sure that you're not afraid of vagina, in fact that might very well be all you embrace.
You also state that 'learn more' and 'author' are two different people, you said a friend used your computer and put that up? So what now, are you defending their honor or something? Are you using that as an excuse to be some sort of martyr to save your friend's statement?
And judging from everything that you're saying ('author' and 'learn more'), I can't imagine you're a cop. If you are then your the worst cop on the face of the earth. And if you work for Hallandale then god help us all and I hope I'm never on your shift and I will do my best to avoid you at all costs (and I would promote everyone else to do the same).
TheBuzzKill wrote:Medicinal use huh? How many people do you think we arrest use marijuana for a medicinal purpose? (not to mention you dont need to legalize it for everyone if all your concerned about is medicinal usage...that usage is known as a 'right' not a 'privilege') I'm don't think I've heard yet from someone, "man, if it wasn't for this darn glaucoma then I wouldn't be going to jail." but I'll let you know if I ever do. And all your presenting this whole time is left-winged propaganda. I don't care how you say it or dress it up. It's nothing but bias, and your stupid enough to believe that's the only truth. What about in the revolutionary and civil war days? before they bit the bullet they took a fifth of liquor to ease the pain, was that not medicinal usage for it's day and time? But you believe we should outlaw that because some people abuse it (just like weed). With that train of thought then we should outlaw vehicles too because some people abuse those and drive so reckless they kill people. We should also outlaw scissors beause I read a story about someone who was stabbed to death with scissors last year and that's just unacceptable, I mean if there were no scissors in the world then that man would still be alive! How could we have let that happen?!?!?!? WE SHOULD HAVE KNOW THAT SCISSORS ARE EVIL!
You also proudly state that you're a female, sorry I must have missed that, since you tend to put me in a coma from your ten page replys that you always give back to prove that you're smarter than me (even though none of your responses contain any original thought, only regurgitated bias youtube videos). Okay 'Ms. Author', and now I'm sure that you're not afraid of vagina, in fact that might very well be all you embrace.
You also state that 'learn more' and 'author' are two different people, you said a friend used your computer and put that up? So what now, are you defending their honor or something? Are you using that as an excuse to be some sort of martyr to save your friend's statement?
And judging from everything that you're saying ('author' and 'learn more'), I can't imagine you're a cop. If you are then your the worst cop on the face of the earth. And if you work for Hallandale then god help us all and I hope I'm never on your shift and I will do my best to avoid you at all costs (and I would promote everyone else to do the same).
Hahahaha...correction, it's a 'privilege', not a 'right'
this topic has over 400 views because everyone wants to read the replys made in response to you and prove that your an idiot. i dont know if you figured it out yet, but we are all laughing at you
guest108 wrote:this topic has over 400 views because everyone wants to read the replys made in response to you and prove that your an idiot. i dont know if you figured it out yet, but we are all laughing at you
Amazing - Not one of you have given a single reason to continue a failed policy! I am aware your job is to enforce existing laws. You must enjoy the self-pertuating dismal failure. Probably feels like job security. Ok you think I'm an idiot for presenting evidence for making a change.
You've given me much insight. You like the current situation, anyone who has a different opinion is retarded. While I'd rather see less availablity of drugs especially to the youth, you love the wild west aspect. yeeha! I'd rather get the drug dealers off the streets, end the black market, put some of that money towards treating addicts. But you must love having them around. It's easy pickens, not like solving real crime.
Citizens pay your salary but you think you are too good to have a real discussion. The only thing I've seen is name calling, absurd assumptions, closed minds, and the lack of ability to give one reason to continue what the whole world knows is a failed policy.
The following video "Substance Abuse and Victimization" is from The National Office for Victims of Crime and The National Victims Assistance Academy, two government departments. It discusses the relationship between victimization and substance abuse. Focusing on real crimes and making this a safer nation will cut down the use of drugs by means of fewer traumatized victims. This government video shows an awareness of it.
Prior to the misleading of congress in 1937 one third of all medications were cannabis based. The Controlled Substance Act of 1970 and subsequent scheduling was done before science was even aware the human body has an endocannabinoid system. The human endocannabinoid system was discovered in the mid 1980’s.
I watched the videos, didn't care for them...and really didn't believe everything I saw. Sorry but you didn't really open my eyes to anything. I do have one question though, it's nothing too person that I feel couldn't be given out. I have already told you I'm a cop in hallandale, but you still haven't revealed what it is that you do. Again I have to say that I cannot believe you're a cop anywhere with this train of thought that you carry. And calling what cops do a 'perpetual dismal failure', I honestly just laughed at that, but I hope nobody actually cares what you think, because they might have gotten a little offended. So what is it that you do? (and I hope you don't say you're a cop just to prove me wrong and for the sake of being right all the time, I wouldn't put that past you, but I hope that you're better than that)...I think alot of people will be waiting for this answer...
TheBuzzKill wrote:I watched the videos, didn't care for them...and really didn't believe everything I saw. Sorry but you didn't really open my eyes to anything. I do have one question though, it's nothing too person that I feel couldn't be given out. I have already told you I'm a cop in hallandale, but you still haven't revealed what it is that you do. Again I have to say that I cannot believe you're a cop anywhere with this train of thought that you carry. And calling what cops do a 'perpetual dismal failure', I honestly just laughed at that, but I hope nobody actually cares what you think, because they might have gotten a little offended. So what is it that you do? (and I hope you don't say you're a cop just to prove me wrong and for the sake of being right all the time, I wouldn't put that past you, but I hope that you're better than that)...I think alot of people will be waiting for this answer...
Please forgive me, I have been knocked down by a nasty virus for the last week, which is also why it has taken so long to respond.
First please understand I was referring to the current drug policy as a self-pertuating dismal failure not what cops do. I agree I should have finished the sentence more clearly. (probably virus related)
Now to answer some of your questions, "What posessed my friend to post my article here and why do I continue?" As I explained previously among other things, I am a writer - author. My current project is a study. (Not for some college class. but for publication and subsequent submission to legislatures and other political offices.) All states that have legalized the medicinal use of cannabis and those that have decriminalized recreational use of it each have different guidelines, laws, provisions. The same holds true for each nation that has decriminalized the use. Part of the Prague Declaration on the principles of effective local drug policies, is no size fits all and realism is key. The study examines existing programs, the changes that have occured from the different programs and taking into consideration Florida also has it's differences. For example, the pill mills certainly were not originally intended to create so many pill addicts, profiting the pharmacuetical companies and turning clinic owners into pill pushers. Why have I tried to "open minds". I would like to get the input of law enforcement that currently deals with the existing problem. So I guess my question is, "If cannabis were to become legal for medical use or decriminalized in Florida, what suggestions would you make for the guidelines, laws, provisions. Knowing the current situation, what do you think would be effective for Florida in particular? What do you think would not work in Florida that is done elsewhere and why? I am not cop and anytime the subject arises it has always brought the same responses, but no answers. The idea of "opening minds" to the idea first is an approach I have found successful with legislatures and other political offices by presenting evidence, to start an exchange of ideas and dialog. I realize your job and position is to enforce current law, as I have stated. I also realize you do not change laws. But if you had a say in how Florida would handle the medicinal use or decriminalization, what would your advise be to effectively manage it? To end the black market, the drug dealers, keep it out of the schools and away from the youth? I am looking for real answers and input for a solution, not simply the same old "don't do it attitude" but something for guidelines, laws, provisions from people with experience and hopefully insight to the current problem.
I have created a new email address - mauthor@ymail.com If anyone would feel more comfortable making suggestions regarding a control policy for medicinal use or decriminalization in a more private manner. Please feel free to use it.
Oh, okay...LOL...I knew there was a reason why I didn't value your opinion. You do know this is a POLICE FORUM right?? (yeah, yeah I get it...freedom of speech, but still...POLICE FORUM) You can thank your friend with an open handed slap in the face for starting this conversation (which I still don't believe), and if your friend works for Hallandale then I would tell you to never give their name because they would lose their respect in this place. As an educated person that you claim to be, I'm surprised that you dont really know how to pick your battles. I mean, I think Walmart is hurting America by killing the family owned businesses, but I'm not going to drive through a trailer-park or the ghetto with a bull horn shouting "Walmart sucks". I also think we should piss test for welfare, but do you think I'm stupid enough to tell that to everyone living in section 8 housing? I've been talking with some of the other cops that I work with and they all think that you're just a joke...so it's not just me. So I've decided not to even entertain this topic anymore and you can consider this my last post on here, you have given your email to anyone who wants it so I ask that you respect my fellow officers by doing the same. I know you will probably give one last post (with one more youtube video) just to have the last word (because that's what people like you do). But it will only be ignored by me and I ask my co-workers to follow suit. Good-bye.
Invitation - This Wednesday, April 13, noted author, retired police officer and LEAP speaker Marshall Frank will give a presentation titled "Legislating Morality and Regulating Human Behavior" at the Libertarian Party of Broward County's monthly networking event. Please continue reading for more details...
MARSHALL FRANK, is a retired captain from the Metro-Dade Police Department in Miami, Florida, and a featured speaker for Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.
Thanks to the advice of a notorious Miami Beach bookie, and thoughtful stepfather, Marshall found his niche in law enforcement by joining the Dade County Sheriff¹s Office in 1960, rising through the ranks to captain.
He has traveled extensively across the U.S. and abroad in various police and security management capacities and authored numerous editorials and magazine articles pertaining to issues of crime, violence, law, and other social ills.
Marshall¹s last arrest was that of five police officers charged with the beating death of an unarmed motorcyclist, the infamous "McDuffie" case. Their subsequent acquittal led to the Miami riots in May of 1980 and another eighteen brutal killings of innocent people. That same month, Marshall was invited to testify before the United States Congress about violent crime in America.
Now a respected author, novelist, and speaker, Marshall lives in Melbourne, Florida, and is a regular editorial columnist for The Smoky Mountain News and The Asheville Citizen-Times.
Marshall thanks all those fellow officers and other members of the criminal justice community for their friendship over the last forty-four years...thanks the wonderful folks of the United States who continue to ensure social laws exist that are intended to legislate morality and regulate human behavior. For without them, there would be much lower crime rates, less criminals, a weaker organized crime cartel, and in turn, less material for writing books.
Where : Denny's - 4001 Powerline Rd, Ft. Lauderdale ( I95 & Oakland Prk Blvd) When : Wednesday 4-13-11 6 pm networking & food 7 pm presentation Cost: Free to attend (food extra)
. And as far as you not assuming anything or getting defensive because you wanted to be better than that...well...it seems I've finally brought you down to my level.
regarding a control policy