I think everyone is aware of the incident involving Sgt Crowley of the Cambridge, MA Police Dept and President Obama's remarks. I just wanted to let everyone know that the Cambridge Police Department does have a Board listed under Massachusetts.
Some of you already have, but I would invite those of you who haven't, to go to the Cambridge PD Message Board and leave a message for Sgt Crowley and Cambridge PD. Let them know that they have support from around the country.
Here is a link to there board. http://forums.leoaffairs.com/viewforum.php?f=330
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courthouse is this: You cannot post "Thou Shalt Not Steal," "Thou Shalt
Not Commit Adultery," and "Thou Shall Not Lie" in a building full of
lawyers, judges and politicians...It creates a hostile work environment.
Please, we all know that arrest was a "POP" arrest. How can you arrest a man for disorderly conduct in his home. The officer was pissed and decided to make an arrest. I'm not as an officer going to support all officer's action. If you make a mistake admit it.
I agree with you and YOU made a mistake. How do you make an assessment when you know what the rest of us know? How do you know what the officer was feeling? Was Gates calm? Was Gates agitated and uncooperative? Was Gates racially profiling? Was Gates race-baiting? How do you know what went into the decision making of the SERGEANT ? I am not all that certain you are a cop and if you are you need to brush up on your skills, you appear to jump to conclusions and make decisions without knowing all the facts, something i would expect from a rookie or from a disgruntled cop who most likely was terminated.
All I know is this, the police were called to the scene of a reported felony in progress, I must believe that Gates did nothing to quell the concern of Gates and others there. Gates was arrested for DOC, Gates states this happened because he is black, Sgt. Crowley stands by his arrest and his actions. The fact that Obama is Gates' friend is fine, the fact that Obama comments about it and disrespected all police officers in not. I believe Sgt. Crowley is being intimidated and bullied, and if you have an ounce of decency, you would stand behind the man for those reasons. I will be the first in line to ( and I have ) call out a bad cop, demand his firing and in one case testified against them in court, I will also be the first to support someone ( anyone ) that I believe is being wronged. I guess it is far fetched to believe a Harvard professor could be arrogant,cocky and feel a sense of entitlement. I am just cautious of Obama's friends, you know, Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers and now Gates, together they make the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse.
The fact that you ask " how can you arrest a man for disorderly conduct in his own home ?"
confirms that you are not in law enforcement or must be one of the most incompetent cops in the world. Yea, I know you, a supervisor's nightmare and a squad's Achilles heel. If you are in law enforcement, and I seriously doubt it, quit, this job is not for you. You will either get yourself or worse, someone else killed or injured because of your lack of skills, knowledge and intestinal fortitude.
And he stated that in his report. Further he could have used the resisting charge or whatever is similar in Ma, as he, Gates was impeding the investigation. I'm sorry, normally police are not in a position to prosecute the case and act as jury...I may be retired but does " probable cause" no longer exist? If Gates was illegally or unlawfully detained or arrested then he has grounds to sue, why isn't he? And on the flip side, Sgt. Crawly has the right to sue for slander and liable. Dumb ass, that is it, I disagree with the assessment on a rookie and that is your comeback? I still don't believe you are a cop , possibly a service aide or dispatcher who happens to have an AA degree in Criminal Justice from the local Community College. I am certain, if you are working for a police agency, I could ask for the biggest arse wipe and I am sure your name will be given. Now, go back to counting paperclips and leave the adults alone. You are dismissed. Any cop worth his salt can come up with the approbriate charge at anytime, POP charge,watch another episode of Law and Order and learn some more lingo, putz.
Massachusetts law and Florida are not the same, In massachusetts you just need to meet one of these definitions:
A "disorderly person" is defined as one who:
with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or
recklessly creates a risk thereof or
engages in fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, or
creates a hazard or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose.
I would say the Sgt had PC for the arrest based on reading his police report and following media reports.
Oh by the way in the report is states that Gates was not arrested until he was outside his home. It said that Gates followed the Sergeant outside of his home. Last I check and I am a newer Officer but, just because you are in your yard and you breach the peace of others (not a cop's he had witnesses) you can still be arrested for disorderly. I love how people can quarterback this guy without knowing all the facts. Read the report its in there. Its one of the longest disorderly reports I have ever seen. The Sergeant was thorough with explaining everything that led to his arrest. He also stated that Gates started to act unruly in his home. The sergeant then walked outside the home where gates followed continuing his ranting. When the Sergeant witnessed these actions outside his home he made the arrest. I agree there is a need to police the police but, i think its gotten to a point where we go in to a call with our hands tied behind our back. The funny thing is he did walk up to the guys home, they were called by a concerned neighbor. If I were Gates I would have thanked my neighbors for looking out for my home like that. But I only have a high school education with one year on my department.
It's no secret that Sgt. Crowley Arrested Gates because Gates pissed him off. Once Sgt. Crowley determined that Gates lived at the residence that should have been the end. Sgt. Crowley is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude. Stop Praising him like he's a damn hero.
I can see both sides but as a veteran officer, I would have walked away once it was determined this was the home owner. We all know not everyone likes us or thinks we are doing a great job. Gates is certainly setting a poor example for young people in particular. But unfortunately, since Obama took office I can't help but notice people of color sorta think they're in charge now. We only elected one Black man to run the country. For the rest of them, a little respect for our profession will do nicely.
Speak for yourself, I have never given someone a ticket who did not do something wrong! This gates guy is a racist who goes thgru his entire life playing the race card. Quit acting like he some type of victim.
I can see your point. However I can honestly say in my over 30 years on the job, I have never arrested or given a citation without having probably cause. It comes down to discretion, the greatest tool an officer can have. Cops write other cops tickets, others don't. I think you chose the wrong words, If you have arrested persons that did nothing wrong, then you have perjured yourself in the official police report, I hope you just used the wrong words and that you are not admitting to committing a crime? The reason why most are praising Crowley isn't because he is a hero, it is because we see an injustice and we are rallying our support. Think about it, on national television, check that , international television, the liberal media is lining up against the officer, not him but all of us. Next you have the President of the United States of America, say that aloud, stating that YOU and YOUR police department acted STUPIDLY. He also stated he was bias because he is friends with " Skip", ( a media ploy to make this arrogant sob more human and more working class). Look I wasn't there and yes, I can honestly say I would more then likely handled it DIFFERENTLY, that means my way would be correct, for me, Sgt. Crowley handled it as he saw fit. The one thing that saddens me is the fact that some of our own brothers and sisters will publicly air there personal feelings when they have only the information put out by the media and an attorney. Lets be frank, Gates came home after a long flight from China, then to NY. He drives home and can't get into his home, he is pizzed, and rightly so. The last thing he wanted to see is the cops, demanding to know who he is. I think he was on his last nerve and once he started in, there was no backing down, I am sure he was tired, pizzed and embarrassed and in an attempt to save face, started a tirade against Crowley. Maybe Crowley should have walked away, maybe not, it was his call. He appears to be man enough to stand up for himself. Let's watch and see this " photo op " with Obama play out.
It's no secret that Sgt. Crowley Arrested Gates because Gates pissed him off. Once Sgt. Crowley determined that Gates lived at the residence that should have been the end. Sgt. Crowley is no different then the rest of us who has 15 someone or given someone a citation not because they did something wrong but because of their attitude. Stop Praising him like he's a darn hero.
I agree with the above writer, but with one exception, that is, allowing the attitude from a citizen contact (IE., traffic stop), and not the reason for the stop, to determine the outcome of a stop. (providing there was no other laws broken, and notwithstanding discretion by the officer...).
And for the responders that say there is no such thing as a POP(Pissing off the Police) arrest charge (they are right, I've never seen it titled this way in statute) However,
they either have never worked a day as a street cop, or they are a damn liar (yes, I said it, LIAR!). Call it obstruction, resisting without, whatever you wish to. To say there is no historical basis for these sentiments, is horsepunky. So I'm calling BULL*@#@$ on this one.
My comments on the Gates issue. I'm glad the debate is out in the open for public consumption. Mr gates was tired, pissed, and wanted to get in his house. He (Gates), was wrong for calling the officer a racist. The officer was also doing his job based upon the limitations of his training. I for one, would have never walked into a house (bearing in mind that a hot call for burglary in progress) by myself, unless the facts on the ground were suitable for me to enter without appropriate backup. This officer did. After identifying Gates, he should have left). The mere fact that he didn't leave was may have allowed the homeowner to tweak him and piss him off, period! Hence, the tumult and arrest that followed is the essence of this debate.
President Obama responded to this issue, as I would expect any forthright president should have after being asked by a member of the press. The use of the word 'stupidly' according to the president, should have been calibrated differently. To this end I also agree. The debate is here folks, and its real. Lets be decent to one another, and not attempt to blow smoke up people's ... fill in the rest. These things happen.
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