Pensacola Police Blunder in DUI Catch & release??
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Pensacola Police Blunder in DUI Catch & release??
by Guest » 12/19/07 14:52:38
Any word on whats happing with the DUI Catch & Release then crash 11/24/07 at Cabana's on 9th ave???
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by PPD Guy » 12/22/07 12:13:16
It's the first time that I know of that something like this happened. Cramer should be gone, he is known to be untruthful. He was once overheard saying he would spend 20 minutes trying to get out of 5 minutes of work. This is an example of what he is made of. Now as far as the Cabana goes, wasn't this kid only 20? Cramer obviously can't add either. The Cabana is well known for serving minors, what a dump. The new owners didn't clean the place up, the encourage crap like this and act as if they are not responsible for their patrons.
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the smart learn from their and others mistakes
by Guest » 12/23/07 19:50:53
He's not a bad cop, just made a bad call. Hopefully he and others have learned fom the experience and will become even better cops because of it.
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by gust » 12/26/07 09:59:12
Gee, I guess those of you who are so quick to pass judgement over other's must be perfect and have never made a mistake. Please let us know who you are so we can bow down to you and hope we become as good as you. Of course you won't do that, your kind alway's hide's and take's pot shot's at other's and usualy you are cowards in life. The man made a mistake and paid a pretty good price for it. Amd let me addddd thiss forr alll offf youuu spelingg houndss .
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Re: the smart learn from their and others mistakes
by Guest » 12/26/07 23:09:58
Anonymous wrote:He's not a bad cop, just made a bad call. Hopefully he and others have learned fom the experience and will become even better cops because of it.
True, true... thankfully no one was injiured or killed by the mistake... and maybe it will be a good enough lesson so that all his co workers will see the danger ( and the personal costs) of using too much discretion in letting drunks drive.
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by Guest » 12/26/07 23:29:44
I’m retired now and have been for some time. Many years ago when I was working the midnight shift I stopped a driver that I had noticed crossing he center line a couple of time and when I got him out of the car could smell the alcohol.
It was during the holidays and we were ( as usual) working short handed so I loaded up the guy who pled his case about having kids at home, how it was going to cost him his job, etc. You know the drill; you’ve heard it many times. Anyway, I felt benevolent since it was Christmas Eve, and like I said we were working short handed and in those days it was a several hour process to book a drunk diver, so I took the clown home and told him to stay there and to go back the next day to get his car.
About an hour later, guess who I see driving down the road. Yep. The same clown I had given the break to and who had swore on his dead mother’s memory that he would not drive again that night. No discretion the second time. Straight to jail and all his begging, crying and tears were for naught. That was the last drunk driver I took home or used discretion to rationalize that one was “maybe” not a .15 (it was .15 in those days). When it was apparent they were .15 or better…. it was straight to jail regardless to how short handed we were. The Sergeant would frown some because it meant that he actually had to work a call every now and then but he couldn’t say much.
So to those of you now in the business, it’s not worth your reputation, or the potential loss of your lively hood to use much discretion now in dealing with drink drivers. The times have changed and there is much less tolerance for drunk drivers partially because there is so much more traffic than there was years ago, aggressive and proactive MAD chapters and the public is tired of the slaughter that occurs from drink drivers. If you have any doubt if a driver is .10 or better, error on the side of safety and give him the breath test.
It was during the holidays and we were ( as usual) working short handed so I loaded up the guy who pled his case about having kids at home, how it was going to cost him his job, etc. You know the drill; you’ve heard it many times. Anyway, I felt benevolent since it was Christmas Eve, and like I said we were working short handed and in those days it was a several hour process to book a drunk diver, so I took the clown home and told him to stay there and to go back the next day to get his car.
About an hour later, guess who I see driving down the road. Yep. The same clown I had given the break to and who had swore on his dead mother’s memory that he would not drive again that night. No discretion the second time. Straight to jail and all his begging, crying and tears were for naught. That was the last drunk driver I took home or used discretion to rationalize that one was “maybe” not a .15 (it was .15 in those days). When it was apparent they were .15 or better…. it was straight to jail regardless to how short handed we were. The Sergeant would frown some because it meant that he actually had to work a call every now and then but he couldn’t say much.
So to those of you now in the business, it’s not worth your reputation, or the potential loss of your lively hood to use much discretion now in dealing with drink drivers. The times have changed and there is much less tolerance for drunk drivers partially because there is so much more traffic than there was years ago, aggressive and proactive MAD chapters and the public is tired of the slaughter that occurs from drink drivers. If you have any doubt if a driver is .10 or better, error on the side of safety and give him the breath test.
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Pensacola Police Blunder
by Guest » 01/11/08 22:46:43
and to think, I thought by the Cheif's reply they were going to take care of it......DOH
Jeff Smith
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WELLLL....after several days of phone tag and chasing
down the correct City's Insurance CO. I finally found
them, "Lexington INS Co. in Boston, MA 617-330-4062
Susan Bard. 1/11/07 1:40 central Time I spoke with her
and she is VERY fimiliar with the case/claim. She has
mailed a letter to me(certified) stating that there is
NO COVERAGE that the City has that can help me. I need
to go after Thomas Fletcher(the drunk), yada, yada, I
have heard it all before. The Officer has been
punished and it was a judgement call, yada, yada.
Thomas Fletcher has pleaded guilty and has to make
restution(sp), My home owners has fixed the fence($500
DED) 1 car has been fixed from INS($500 DED), My GMC
truck has been fixed $3450 out of my POCKET, The 72
Burb is still in my yard with no INS agreement on it
as of yet. She says that I am left to hold the
bag....on this one. She has gone through the policy
and there is no coverage since it was a judgement call
by Officer Cramer and The driver, Thomas Fletcher did
the damage. WOW!!!! But if I find anymore info that
may turn it in my favor, I can call her and let her
know......RIGHT! I guess I can let CNN, FOX and Inside
edition know its OK to go ahead with my story. "DUI
Friendly Cities across the US" especially when the
Cities and States tout ZERO Tolerance for DUI!
Pass it on, THIS SUCKS!!!
“ Welcome to Pensacola The DUI Friendly City on the
Gulf Coast!”
Here is the Chief of Police Reply that made me think
they were taking care of this.....RIGHT!
Dear Mr. Smith,
In reference to your email below, I wanted to advise
you I have talked
with
Tom Mulroy(850-435-1613) with the City of Pensacola's
Risk Management Office and he
said
your claim has been forwarded to the city's insurance
carrier.
As you are aware, I suspended Officer Cramer for three
weeks without
pay and
mandated he attend remedial training on DUI
recognition as a result of
this
incident.
You have been in contact with Lt. Randy Stull, who
supervises our
Professional Standards Unit, and he has supplied you
with a copy of the
in-car video since the defendant in this case plead
nolo contendre to
the DUI
charge.
If there is any additional information we can provide,
please feel free
to
contact Lt. Stull at 850-435-1865.
John W. Mathis
Chief of Police
Pensacola Police Department
850.435.1855
Jeff Smith
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WELLLL....after several days of phone tag and chasing
down the correct City's Insurance CO. I finally found
them, "Lexington INS Co. in Boston, MA 617-330-4062
Susan Bard. 1/11/07 1:40 central Time I spoke with her
and she is VERY fimiliar with the case/claim. She has
mailed a letter to me(certified) stating that there is
NO COVERAGE that the City has that can help me. I need
to go after Thomas Fletcher(the drunk), yada, yada, I
have heard it all before. The Officer has been
punished and it was a judgement call, yada, yada.
Thomas Fletcher has pleaded guilty and has to make
restution(sp), My home owners has fixed the fence($500
DED) 1 car has been fixed from INS($500 DED), My GMC
truck has been fixed $3450 out of my POCKET, The 72
Burb is still in my yard with no INS agreement on it
as of yet. She says that I am left to hold the
bag....on this one. She has gone through the policy
and there is no coverage since it was a judgement call
by Officer Cramer and The driver, Thomas Fletcher did
the damage. WOW!!!! But if I find anymore info that
may turn it in my favor, I can call her and let her
know......RIGHT! I guess I can let CNN, FOX and Inside
edition know its OK to go ahead with my story. "DUI
Friendly Cities across the US" especially when the
Cities and States tout ZERO Tolerance for DUI!
Pass it on, THIS SUCKS!!!
“ Welcome to Pensacola The DUI Friendly City on the
Gulf Coast!”
Here is the Chief of Police Reply that made me think
they were taking care of this.....RIGHT!
Dear Mr. Smith,
In reference to your email below, I wanted to advise
you I have talked
with
Tom Mulroy(850-435-1613) with the City of Pensacola's
Risk Management Office and he
said
your claim has been forwarded to the city's insurance
carrier.
As you are aware, I suspended Officer Cramer for three
weeks without
pay and
mandated he attend remedial training on DUI
recognition as a result of
this
incident.
You have been in contact with Lt. Randy Stull, who
supervises our
Professional Standards Unit, and he has supplied you
with a copy of the
in-car video since the defendant in this case plead
nolo contendre to
the DUI
charge.
If there is any additional information we can provide,
please feel free
to
contact Lt. Stull at 850-435-1865.
John W. Mathis
Chief of Police
Pensacola Police Department
850.435.1855
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