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    Just imagine if a deputy was down on the driveway of resident in any district, and that resident did not call 911 because they had no legal obligation to do so. And if it had been a fatality, the resident said " Well, it wouldn't have mattered if I called or not, the shot would have been fatal anyway." You can pick apart the MSDHS scene and scenario and the time line all you want. True that the kids were not savable, that's no longer in dispute and hasn't been for a year. The issue is the lack of acknowledgement of what the effort should have been,and wasn't. The fact that there was suiting up going on while you can hear shots being fired on the audio points to a failed response- and that was only one of the failures. The media and all affected are way past the timeline, they get it, but that timeline is your default, because you have no excuse for the fact that none of these deputies were running TOWARD danger in a timely manner. When kids are running out of and away from a building, that's a clue. You are INSULTING the voters with this same broken record and propping up Tony as the 2020 candidate. When his message is : "The buck stops here" and yours is " I agree with David Hogg, guns are bad." Who do you think voters will choose?

    Ah, another expert on police procedure.

    Let me explain how this works. The police arrive at a three story building. There shots heard. Then, before the LEOs can enter the building, they stop. The LEOs have no idea what is going on. So, the protocol changes from active shooter to barricaded suspect/hostage situation. This requires that a perimeter be established to contain the shooter and protect the surrounding community. Then an entry team has to enter the building, and because they do not know where the shooter is, they have to clear each floor ans secure stairwells and elevators, so the shooter can not ambush them. This takes a significant amount of time and manpower. This continues on the second floor and the third, until it is determined that the shooter is gone, of until he is found and engaged by LE.

    Now, this is why the timeline is important. Because it clearly shows that the a BSO handled the situation correctly when the last unit arrived and the shooting had stopped. The problem was that the shooter had already fled the scene.

    What you want to do is to place the blame for what happened at MSDHS on the BSO. However, it was inadequate security by the BCSB which allowed Cruz to enter the campus, unhindered with a rifle. It was the failure of the part-time "security personnel", employed by the BCSB, to notify the office and the SRO, by radio which they all carried, when they saw Cruz, who the all knew was no longer a student there, was a known troublemaker and was carrying an obvious rifle case. But, no one seems to care about that. They also do not care bout school security because today, 2 tears after the MSDHS shooting, the security at Broward County Schools is exactly the same as that in place at MSDHS on the day of the shooting. And on one cares.


    So can the BS. Your children are no safer today than they were two years ago. And, apparently you are alright with that. And, I do not wish to ban guns. In fact, I would like to see gun laws relaxed, as they are all unconstitutional anyway. However the only way to prevent a mass school shooting is to harden the schools. Make it impossible to enter the campus at other than one or two points. Have active screening measure in place there with one or more armed security agents to stop anyone who might try to force entry at the entry point. Whose responsibility is that? The BCSB, not the BSO. As you say, the buck stops here. And the BCSB, the media, special interests and the Florida Senate all passed the buck to the poor toad sheriff, Scott Israel. Everyone wanted a scapegoat so they would not have to accept responsibility or to spend money in the future to protect the students of Florida schools. And, Israel was the patsy.

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    The moron (Israel) promoted and placed those charged with protecting Parkland. After their’s and his miserable failure the incompetent fool spouted off about what an “Amazing Leader” he was . When the miserable failure came to light he cried how it wasn’t his fault and he was a victim! Never NEVER showing any empathy for the real victims. To defend this POS makes you Sir a Real SC@MBAG. But you and we know what you are!
    First of all, how did the BSO Fail to protect Parkland? The school, while situated in Parkland, is under the control of the BCSB, not the BSO. BCSB failed to secure the school against armed invasion and its personnel saw the shooter on campus and failed to notify anyone in authority, including the SRO. And, the SRO is NOT under the command of the Parkland district command staff.

    What is with this "empathy" for thee victims BS? People died because a lunatic with gun walked onto an unsecured school campus and shot people. Terribly sorry, but LE deals with dead people every single day? Is the Sheriff expected to go to every wake and funeral in the county to show his "empathy"? Get real. That lack of empathy for the Parkland snowflakes line is getting really old. And, what the Parkland parents, the media and other special interests wanted was not feel good "empathy", but a scapegoat that they could blame Cruz's actions on. and they chose Israel.

    If you want to blame someone for the fact that a lunatic with a gun waltzed onto a school campus and killed a bunch of people, then get rid of the school board and harden the schools so that this can not happen again. But, you do not care about that do you? The fact that the security in Broward County schools is exactly the same as it was at MSDHS on the day of the shooting two years ago is just fine with you. Who are you going to blame the next time it happens? So, just continue to blame Israel and you can sleep snug knowing that your children are safe. What a maroon.

  3. #13
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    Not even close

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    So, we ahould all applaud the members of the NYPD who ignored protocols and threw people off rooftops, beat them with garbage can lids and anally raped them with toilet plungers? Got it. Just do what you feel.

    Then you mention SWAT and ESU. In both cases, the PROTOCOLS in both departments was to contain the armed perpetrator and wait for the specialized units. That is what they are trained and equipped for. Do we want patrol officers defusing bombs? You notice that Prince did not say that the LA and NYPD taught the SEALs anything, did he.

    Here is why the protocols for active shooters changed, in 2000, following Columbine. At Columbine HS, the Sheriff's Office followed established protocols, contained the perpetrators and waited for SWAT. The media crucified the Sheriff, though given the fact that there were two shooters and that they had IEDs [which fortunately did not detonate] it is doubtful that racing into the school would have saved anyone. So, to head off future public outcries in situations like these, LLE changed the protocol to one of immediate entry, location and engagement. It didn't matter if the shooter was neutralized, or if the LEO who raced in without backup is KIA, either way, the agency has a success or a martyr. The agency does not really care if lives are saved or employees wasted, as long as they can garner positive PR from the affair. Now, interestingly, the protocol, re: active shooters, has changed since that enacted in 2000. Now, almost all agencies have a [policy which says that responding units may enter immediately, not shall enter.

    Was the performance of Peterson and the initial responding deputies effective? No. Were there problems with the response? Yes. Was here any evidence presented that the lack of an immediately enter the building allowed victims to be injured or killed? No. Was the protocol in place different from that of other agencies in Florida? No. See, what the media and special interests wanted, was to be able to blame the whole thing on some elected official. The BCSB, which was actually totally responsible for security at the school, failed to adequately protect the campus against intrusion by an armed person, the part-time "security" personnel failed to notify the office or the SRO, even after they saw him on campus with an obvious rifle case, knew he was no longer a student there and was known for causing trouble. But, the media did not want to go after the School Board in any serious fashion. They immediately targeted the Sheriff, who was not widely liked and was something of a toad. Then an interesting thing happened. The incoming Governor suspended Israel. During the "investigation" prior to the Senate trial, virtually all of th media outlets did a 180 and asserted that Israel was not responsible for the shootings at FLHIA and MSDHS. The Special Master, appointed by the Senate to investigate the claims made against Israel stated that neither the Sheriff nor anyone in his agency was responsible for the shootings. He further stated that, though the BSO had not performed perfectly in either situation, neither were they guilty of the charges presented by the Governor. The Senate ignored the findings of their own SM and voted to make the suspension permanent.

    So,, neither Israel nor most of the members of the BSO have nothing to be embarrassed about. They were set up to take the fall when they were innocent if any of the charges level against them, with the exception of the SRO and a couple of deputies responding to the MSDHS shooting incident. So you should go after the people directly responsible for security at the school, the BCSB. But, nothing was ever done to them, was it. And after all of the brouhaha about increasing school security, the security assets in place in Broward County schools is exactly the same as existed at MSDHS in the day of the shooting, 2 years ago.

    So, why should the BSO be ashamed of themselves? Because the mefia and politicians and special interests lied about the agency to fulfill a political agenda?
    Holy Sh*t. What agency in this country trains their cops to contain an active shoot and wait for the specialized unit. Don’t say NY, because we were never taught that, and it never went down that way either. You guys better get your act together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Ah, another expert on police procedure.

    Let me explain how this works. The police arrive at a three story building. There shots heard. Then, before the LEOs can enter the building, they stop. The LEOs have no idea what is going on. So, the protocol changes from active shooter to barricaded suspect/hostage situation. This requires that a perimeter be established to contain the shooter and protect the surrounding community. Then an entry team has to enter the building, and because they do not know where the shooter is, they have to clear each floor ans secure stairwells and elevators, so the shooter can not ambush them. This takes a significant amount of time and manpower. This continues on the second floor and the third, until it is determined that the shooter is gone, of until he is found and engaged by LE.

    Now, this is why the timeline is important. Because it clearly shows that the a BSO handled the situation correctly when the last unit arrived and the shooting had stopped. The problem was that the shooter had already fled the scene.

    What you want to do is to place the blame for what happened at MSDHS on the BSO. However, it was inadequate security by the BCSB which allowed Cruz to enter the campus, unhindered with a rifle. It was the failure of the part-time "security personnel", employed by the BCSB, to notify the office and the SRO, by radio which they all carried, when they saw Cruz, who the all knew was no longer a student there, was a known troublemaker and was carrying an obvious rifle case. But, no one seems to care about that. They also do not care bout school security because today, 2 tears after the MSDHS shooting, the security at Broward County Schools is exactly the same as that in place at MSDHS on the day of the shooting. And on one cares.


    So can the BS. Your children are no safer today than they were two years ago. And, apparently you are alright with that. And, I do not wish to ban guns. In fact, I would like to see gun laws relaxed, as they are all unconstitutional anyway. However the only way to prevent a mass school shooting is to harden the schools. Make it impossible to enter the campus at other than one or two points. Have active screening measure in place there with one or more armed security agents to stop anyone who might try to force entry at the entry point. Whose responsibility is that? The BCSB, not the BSO. As you say, the buck stops here. And the BCSB, the media, special interests and the Florida Senate all passed the buck to the poor toad sheriff, Scott Israel. Everyone wanted a scapegoat so they would not have to accept responsibility or to spend money in the future to protect the students of Florida schools. And, Israel was the patsy.
    And there's Runcie on the grassy knoll, laughing his butt off. Let's remember, Scott rallied with the March for Our Lives kids. He made his bed. Now he can sleep in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregisteredsorry View Post
    Holy Sh*t. What agency in this country trains their cops to contain an active shoot and wait for the specialized unit. Don’t say NY, because we were never taught that, and it never went down that way either. You guys better get your act together.
    You guys better get your act together. The people who ran the agency were from New York. As you can tell, Palm Beach, Polk County, Hillsboro County dont have issues

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    What the F

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    You guys better get your act together. The people who ran the agency were from New York. As you can tell, Palm Beach, Polk County, Hillsboro County dont have issues
    Are you restarted?
    Kinsey, Polan, Dale, Shultz, Israel and the rest worked in NY, LA, Detroit, Chicago. That’s right Di*k head. I’ve e trained with all of them. Funny how you idiots were never there. They may have lived in NY, but they sure didn’t learn how to respond to a critical incident the way we did.

    Spare me the SWAT bullsh*t. Your an embarrassment. Tell you what. Next school shooting in Broward(hopefully never) make sure you radio to the patrol guys on scene, “ be advised, standby, until us badass Swat guys get there. Don’t worry about how many kids get shot, we’ll handle when we’re on scene.”

    How many times do you put on your SWAT gear, and stare in the mirror with your beards and tattoos? You guys think this is all a show. Well, I guess you earned most embarrassing agency in America. And you can thank Scotty boy and his band of misfits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregisteredwhat View Post
    Are you restarted?
    Kinsey, Polan, Dale, Shultz, Israel and the rest worked in NY, LA, Detroit, Chicago. That’s right Di*k head. I’ve e trained with all of them. Funny how you idiots were never there. They may have lived in NY, but they sure didn’t learn how to respond to a critical incident the way we did.

    Spare me the SWAT bullsh*t. Your an embarrassment. Tell you what. Next school shooting in Broward(hopefully never) make sure you radio to the patrol guys on scene, “ be advised, standby, until us badass Swat guys get there. Don’t worry about how many kids get shot, we’ll handle when we’re on scene.”

    How many times do you put on your SWAT gear, and stare in the mirror with your beards and tattoos? You guys think this is all a show. Well, I guess you earned most embarrassing agency in America. And you can thank Scotty boy and his band of misfits.
    Yes hopefully never, but we have shootings all the time. I guess you are in Pompano showing the kids how NYPD DOES IT. I doubt it. Probably sucking someones ass telling the, hey I am from New York. GFY

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    First of all, how did the BSO Fail to protect Parkland? The school, while situated in Parkland, is under the control of the BCSB, not the BSO. BCSB failed to secure the school against armed invasion and its personnel saw the shooter on campus and failed to notify anyone in authority, including the SRO. And, the SRO is NOT under the command of the Parkland district command staff.

    What is with this "empathy" for thee victims BS? People died because a lunatic with gun walked onto an unsecured school campus and shot people. Terribly sorry, but LE deals with dead people every single day? Is the Sheriff expected to go to every wake and funeral in the county to show his "empathy"? Get real. That lack of empathy for the Parkland snowflakes line is getting really old. And, what the Parkland parents, the media and other special interests wanted was not feel good "empathy", but a scapegoat that they could blame Cruz's actions on. and they chose Israel.

    If you want to blame someone for the fact that a lunatic with a gun waltzed onto a school campus and killed a bunch of people, then get rid of the school board and harden the schools so that this can not happen again. But, you do not care about that do you? The fact that the security in Broward County schools is exactly the same as it was at MSDHS on the day of the shooting two years ago is just fine with you. Who are you going to blame the next time it happens? So, just continue to blame Israel and you can sleep snug knowing that your children are safe. What a maroon.
    I don’t read any of your posts because they’re too long. The last line gives you away as a licker of candied nuts. I sleep quite soundly knowing that the incompetent hairplug wearing weasel, will never work in law enforcement again! Please write another of your two page rebuttals covering the same points over and over kisser of the moron ‘s arse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregisteredsorry View Post
    Holy Sh*t. What agency in this country trains their cops to contain an active shoot and wait for the specialized unit. Don’t say NY, because we were never taught that, and it never went down that way either. You guys better get your act together.
    All of them do. During an active shooter response, no agency has their personnel enter alone. And, personnel move to the shots. But, whether you like it or not, once the shooting stops, the situation is no longer an active shooter situation, but a barricaded suspect/hostage situation. And, if you were actually on the job with NYPD, then you know how that works; contain, locate and subdue. Now, in some cases, street cops will do the sweep and apprehension, rather than SWAT or SRT. Other times they wait for the specialized units. Now, where you have injured victims to move and treat, the street cops usually will do the building clearance. But, they still secure the perimeter to contain a homicidal maniac. Inn fact that is exactly what they did in Virginia Beach last may and they were heralded as heroes.

    I worked with a lot of NYPD cops, when they came to Florida in the early 70's when they were being laid off because NVC was going broke. What I found was that most of them were really careful about sticking their necks out anymore than they had to to get the job done. That meant waiting for back-up and clearing a building as a unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I don’t read any of your posts because they’re too long. The last line gives you away as a licker of candied nuts. I sleep quite soundly knowing that the incompetent hairplug wearing weasel, will never work in law enforcement again! Please write another of your two page rebuttals covering the same points over and over kisser of the moron ‘s arse.
    So, all you are left with is vulgar personal attacks. Do you print with a crayon as well? Grow up. If you want to rebut the accuracy of my points, please do. If all you want to do is project your own bizarre sexual practices on me, then please do us all a favor and drain your beer can and smash it against your head. I hope this is short enough for you to get through before your attention span runs out.

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