New Union???

Who is pushing this new union noise? Who is complaining about how they were treated? Who was let down by the PBA? Post a name, an issue, a problem, and let the rest of us in the light. Otherwise bark at the moon.

This site discourages the use of names. Not a good option either to bring any complaints to the board when it is so tight with the admin. How many police unions have so many internal affairs officers on the board anyway? It is not so much to ask though how many officers have been represented by the union in the last two years.

The better question is, Why should a board decide whether a dues paying member will be represented? (like it currently is) With the Teamsters you are represented no matter what the issues are and if you are charged criminally you can choose the most high priced criminal defense attorney you want and they will pay the bill. Will the PBA do that?

Really, so if I find a runaway juvenile, rape her, then drop her off at her parents house, the Teamsters will hire me an attorney? Don't believe everything you read on her.

Aren't these just allegations until the officer is found guilty in a court of law? This is exactly what we have been preaching, the PBA needs to represent it's officers and not cast judgement beforehand. Why should an officer even bother paying dues each month if the chances of PBA supporting him is next to nothing?

Who is pushing this new union noise? Who is complaining about how they were treated? Who was let down by the PBA? Post a name, an issue, a problem, and let the rest of us in the light. Otherwise bark at the moon.

This site discourages the use of names. Not a good option either to bring any complaints to the board when it is so tight with the admin. How many police unions have so many internal affairs officers on the board anyway? It is not so much to ask though how many officers have been represented by the union in the last two years.

The better question is, Why should a board decide whether a dues paying member will be represented? (like it currently is) With the Teamsters you are represented no matter what the issues are and if you are charged criminally you can choose the most high priced criminal defense attorney you want and they will pay the bill. Will the PBA do that?

Really, so if I find a runaway juvenile, rape her, then drop her off at her parents house, the Teamsters will hire me an attorney? Don't believe everything you read on her.

Aren't these just allegations until the officer is found guilty in a court of law? This is exactly what we have been preaching, the PBA needs to represent it's officers and not cast judgement beforehand. Why should an officer even bother paying dues each month if the chances of PBA supporting him is next to nothing?

Which one of the Officers are you referring to? If an Officer is arrested, yes they are just allegations until the Officer is found guilty in a court of law. But, the PBA is only obligated to provide an attorney if the allegations are JOB RELATED. Take a minute and look at the case of an Officer who was recently arrested for a use of force incident. The PBA provided him an attorney. This was clearly within his job duties!

Now lets take a look at another situation where an Officer might think they were entitled to an attorney. This employee has been written up and suspended several time. Agree with the write ups and suspensions or not, they happened and are a part of the record. This employee has been given numerous opportunities to change their ways, but did not. The employee gets fired and comes to the PBA wanting an attorney. It is now the job of the PBA to weigh the fact against the likely hood of getting the employee their job back. If the board sees there is no hope for this employee, should the board vote to provide the employee with a attorney that will cost the PBA members thousands of dollars? You tell me!

[Deputy Dooley]

I agree with the above poster... the PBA is not a pre-paid legal service. PBA's job is to see that you are treated fairly for job-related issues. I know of several officers that have recently had IAs or accident review boards, and they were represented by PBA reps, as well as more than one that received an attorney because PBA could justify the cost of that attorney based on the allegations. I don't think it is fair to list their names as a previous posted suggested, but that is the truth.

If you do something off duty or outside the scope of your duties, or if you are punished for something and that punishment was fair and just, the PBA is not going to pay the $15,000 arbitration fee just so you can fight an outcome that you didn't like. That money belongs to THE MEMBERS, and using it frivolously means it isnt available for those who really need AND DESERVE IT.

And while we are on the topic of PBA, compare our contract to those of other agencies. We have a LOT of benefits that others dont have. Union comp? Forget about it anywhere else. If it doesnt meet FLSA comp (physically working over 40 hours per week) you dont get it at other agencies. Holidays? We have more than most. Live in Santa Rosa County and want to take your cruiser home? No problem here... not in some counties. Assignment pay - protected. Admin wants to end the take-home car program? Not happening unless negotiated and agreed to. These are benefits PBA has either obtained or protected.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side (the other side in this case being some other union.) Remember that the real teeth of a union is the ability to strike, which we don't have. So taking into consideration that everything we wanted in the past and will want in the future has to be agreed to by the admin, I think PBA does a pretty good job.

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Who is pushing this new union noise? Who is complaining about how they were treated? Who was let down by the PBA? Post a name, an issue, a problem, and let the rest of us in the light. Otherwise bark at the moon.

This site discourages the use of names. Not a good option either to bring any complaints to the board when it is so tight with the admin. How many police unions have so many internal affairs officers on the board anyway? It is not so much to ask though how many officers have been represented by the union in the last two years.

The better question is, Why should a board decide whether a dues paying member will be represented? (like it currently is) With the Teamsters you are represented no matter what the issues are and if you are charged criminally you can choose the most high priced criminal defense attorney you want and they will pay the bill. Will the PBA do that?

Really, so if I find a runaway juvenile, rape her, then drop her off at her parents house, the Teamsters will hire me an attorney? Don't believe everything you read on her.

Aren't these just allegations until the officer is found guilty in a court of law? This is exactly what we have been preaching, the PBA needs to represent it's officers and not cast judgement beforehand. Why should an officer even bother paying dues each month if the chances of PBA supporting him is next to nothing?

Which one of the Officers are you referring to? If an Officer is arrested, yes they are just allegations until the Officer is found guilty in a court of law. But, the PBA is only obligated to provide an attorney if the allegations are JOB RELATED. Take a minute and look at the case of an Officer who was recently arrested for a use of force incident. The PBA provided him an attorney. This was clearly within his job duties!

Now lets take a look at another situation where an Officer might think they were entitled to an attorney. This employee has been written up and suspended several time. Agree with the write ups and suspensions or not, they happened and are a part of the record. This employee has been given numerous opportunities to change their ways, but did not. The employee gets fired and comes to the PBA wanting an attorney. It is now the job of the PBA to weigh the fact against the likely hood of getting the employee their job back. If the board sees there is no hope for this employee, should the board vote to provide the employee with a attorney that will cost the PBA members thousands of dollars? You tell me![/quote:2cbqqvtc]

So, you are saying a group of deputies should decide based upon their expert opinion of the case rather than the dues paying member getting an attorney to represent the member based upon his or her expert legal opinion. I forgot the board knows best :lol: No wonder you guys are looking for a much better union!

[Deputy Dooley]

The board does not "know best" any more than congress "knows best" how the country should be run. But much like congress, the board is made of those people who represent the members. They have to make decisions based on their experience and knowledge. Any member can become a board member if they invest the time, and then they can vote their mind in these matters. It is not practical to have every member vote on every issue, so it is left to the board to vote. If you don't like the direction PBA is taking, come to the meetings and speak up, or better yet, become a board member and influence YOUR union.

If you sit back and do nothing to influence the direction of the union (other than complain) then you have nobody to blame but yourself.

How can you trust the PBA when you have board members such as P.N. who should of been fired years ago and on several occasions. You pay in and they decide not to help you. And even if it is with in the scope of your duties, you better hope that the board members aren't good friends with the person who brought about a complaint .... Because they won't represent you...all you guys are doing is throwing your money away. They fart in the wind and call it a kiss . PBA just does what there told no more no less.. You as paying members have less rights and entitlement than a POS off the street. At least a POS can get representation ... Down with the worthless PBA

why is the PBA selling their building?

why is the PBA selling their building?

Because they are broke!!!

why is the PBA selling their building?

Because they are broke!!!

They are not selling the building. They never owned the building. They were only leasing the building.