Another question for Candidate David Morgan

Are you still for an independent citizen review board to review complaints against deputies? Why has this mysteriously dissappeared from this campaign when it was one your key platform points last time. A change of heart, or not wanting deputies to know your intentions?

From his website:

Yes, I am. Exactly what final form it will take I am still open to suggestion(s). However, I do not believe in "re-inventing the wheel." I will replicate and assimilate the review boards that are working in other metropolitan areas. (The PPD has taken such a step within the last year.)

I do not fear, but welcome, outside independent review. I have always held the belief that if you are not engaging in conduct which is either illegal or unethical, then why would you care if someone or agency is "watching?" Answer: You would not.

Oddly, it is law enforcement officers (rank and file) that tend to be the most adamantly opposed to any type of review or oversight. I say that it is odd because those of us that have worked with agencies outside Escambia County, and with other states law enforcement offices, know of instances where these very oversight and review boards have assisted officers in requests for early retirements and acquiring stress pensions and the like. So, you see the "oversight" cuts both ways.

Personally, I do not want nor desire any additional oversight. What manager does? But just like the ESCO personnel who are considering unionizing,(Teamsters) because they feel as though they have been "forced into it," I am sadly of the opinion that such a move is also going to be required (ie Advisory Committee) to bridge the level of mistrust that has been created by the current administration.

Sometimes in life we are forced to play the hand we are dealt. I will do what is necessary to re-establish the professionalism and trust within the department and within the community.

David Morgan

Mr. Morgan,
Iam trying to keep an open mind, but your ambiguous answers are not inspiring much confidence in me.

You say you will "do what it takes" to restore integrity...well, what, in you orinion, will it take? What exactly will you do?

Let's start hearing some concrete plans and proposals that we can either get behind or vote against. Otherwise, I don't see you having much chance in this election.

McNexby may have serious issues, but like the old saying goes, better the devil you know, than the devil you dont, and quite frankly, we just dont know what you will do.

Mr. Morgan,
Iam trying to keep an open mind, but your ambiguous answers are not inspiring much confidence in me.

You say you will "do what it takes" to restore integrity...well, what, in you orinion, will it take? What exactly will you do?

Let's start hearing some concrete plans and proposals that we can either get behind or vote against. Otherwise, I don't see you having much chance in this election.

McNexby may have serious issues, but like the old saying goes, better the devil you know, than the devil you dont, and quite frankly, we just dont know what you will do.

I completely agree that we need to hear more about your specific plans. A huge rumor amongst deputies is your inner circle, I personally believe you will gain support if you draw the line in the sand and state that cop haters are not going to be in your inner circle or have any influence upon you. Also do you support RMPT, and the idiotic posts on this site about ALL deputies being dishonest, and murderers? Tell us how you feel about those accusations, and more important that you do not want or will not accept any help from people that run the sites and make the false statements.

I dont think anyone in their right mind would support some of the fanatics that post on that rmpt site. The problem is that some of the serious nuts have used it, and even used this site, to air their ridiculous accusations. I'm not saying that there aren't some problems at the SO. Everyone knows Ronniemac's history and we all know how things work in this town, it's who you know. I think you have to weed out the idiots and mental cases to get to any real problems. The nuts make it hard for us, like Leroy, Arety, etc

...A huge rumor amongst deputies is your inner circle, I personally believe you will gain support if you draw the line in the sand and state that cop haters are not going to be in your inner circle or have any influence upon you. Also do you support RMPT,

I didn't know there were any 'cop haters' on the RMPT site, just 'bad cop haters' - do I take that to mean that you believe all cops are good and you support all cops, even the Dix's, Sullivans, and yes, McNesbys. If so, the YOU are the problem.

...A huge rumor amongst deputies is your inner circle, I personally believe you will gain support if you draw the line in the sand and state that cop haters are not going to be in your inner circle or have any influence upon you. Also do you support RMPT,

I didn't know there were any 'cop haters' on the RMPT site, just 'bad cop haters' - do I take that to mean that you believe all cops are good and you support all cops, even the Dix's, Sullivans, and yes, McNesbys. If so, the YOU are the problem.

I agree with you 100% those were bad apples as any other person would.

However, your problem is you state that ALL cops are thugs, and murderers. A clearly stupid statement that isn't true.

You make these statements then support david morgan in the same breath, so naturally, deputies are concerned because they do not want people with this view in the ''inner circle.''

So again, this thread if i'm not mistaken is for David Morgan. So Mr. Morgan please respond.

See here is why who his supporters are is crucial. His core supporters are for a civilian review board. The same ones have said what type they want, including subpoena powers and the power to discipline up to and including firing. And you can bet some of his core supporters will end up on that board (hint...the same ones on the CLEO board. They have already tried to get the county commissioners to set up this type of board. You can bet Morgan is sympathetic to it.)

This is what David Morgan supports. Imagine getting a subpoena to sit in front of the CLEO board (boyd, cashwell, watson, Craig ran it for a while) and then them having the official power to fire, suspend, or discipline you how they see fit, and be able to recommend criminal charges against you. They will also investigate all citizen complaints.

Also, does anyone else reading this get the idea that Morgan truly has no clue whats going on. Just some clues:

1. There already is a union. Has been for many many years.
2. We don't have a pension. It's a state retirement system so a civilian review board have no say as to an early pension.
3. There is no such thing as a stress pension. The closest you get is a medical retirement. (Through the state.)
4. Why would we care if someone is watching. We don't. If that person knows what the heck they are doing. How bout I go watch the Military on patrol in Iraq not having ever served. You think I have a clue what I'm watching. That's the problem with imbedded reporters. What they see may not be wrong, but to them it "looks wrong" i.e. Tolbirt and Howell.
5. What's anoying as all get out? Answer: Someone typing "Answer:" at the end of their sentence as if no other opinion is possible.

He's looking better every day... :shock:

You're both an idiot and a liar - with Morgan as Sheriff there would be no need for a citizen review board ; Randy Brown would be put out to pasture (poured out to pasture ?) and a real IA implemented. Bad cops would be weeded out, instead of promoted. Trash would never be hired, no matter who they were related to.

Under the State retirement system there are indeed 'early' retirement options for 'medical' reasons, including stress, which can also result in a worker's comp claim.

Quit you political attemps, Rex, just concentrate on adding some risers to your platform shoes (and maybe get that other 'extension' you need as well).[/quote]

I suggest you go to David Morgan's website and verify he is indeed in favor of a citizen review board and feel free to look up how his supporters want to form it on the CLEO webpage, RPTM archives, and the News Journal. He cannot run from his supporters.