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    Say it ain't so. Presenting to the commission options for either body cams and/or in car cameras? Increase accountability? Really? A camera isn't going to start making a person accountable. It hasn't in the past and won't in the future. Heed the advice of Sheriff Judd on cameras. He's been around the block once or twice and prefers not to use them.

    So how are his Deputies accountable then? By them knowing what's expected of them and consequences for decisions with poor intent.

    Where are the priorities amidst all this camera talk? What about asking for more cops to handle calls instead of creating another specialty unit to take personnel from patrol?

    What about raises to those who currently serve?

    And lastly, what about something that makes the job easier, not more complicated?

    In this difficult time of policing, who is trying to make things better for the most valuable asset, the employee?

    Let that last question linger for a few minutes. If you have an answer, support those people and give them your allegiance.

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    Say it ain't so. Presenting to the commission options for either body cams and/or in car cameras? Increase accountability? Really? A camera isn't going to start making a person accountable. It hasn't in the past and won't in the future. Heed the advice of Sheriff Judd on cameras. He's been around the block once or twice and prefers not to use them.

    So how are his Deputies accountable then? By them knowing what's expected of them and consequences for decisions with poor intent.

    Where are the priorities amidst all this camera talk? What about asking for more cops to handle calls instead of creating another specialty unit to take personnel from patrol?

    What about raises to those who currently serve?

    And lastly, what about something that makes the job easier, not more complicated?

    In this difficult time of policing, who is trying to make things better for the most valuable asset, the employee?

    Let that last question linger for a few minutes. If you have an answer, support those people and give them your allegiance.
    Just imagine, no more lying on your PC affidavit. A camera to catch all of your inconsistencies. With all of the lies and trouble you people get into without cameras, just imagine what the body cameras will catch. Cameras won’t hold you accountable, they’ll just make the bad apples do the job correctly. Only a dirty cop wouldn’t want one...

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    Policing has been effective without big brother for decades. Cameras are a "feel good" measure to appease those members of the public who don't trust cops. Cameras won't fix that. Only an uneducated, misinformed individual would think only bad cops don't want cameras. Grady and former State Attorney Hill don't have confidence in cameras either.

    The Sheriff has been in law enforcement probably before you were born or out of grade school.

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    Clearly spoken by a liberal ^. Who probably sits on welfare or in a nice air conditioned office.

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    Policing has managed to thrive several decades without big brother. Cameras are nothing more than a "feel good" gesture (albeit expensive) to appease those in society that don't trust law enforcement. A camera isn't going to change that.

    To think only bad cops would not want a camera is foolish and false. Cops have a tough job already. No need to make it even more difficult.

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    Clearly spoken by a liberal ^. Who probably sits on welfare or in a nice air conditioned office.
    Nope, you couldn’t be more wrong. This agency is being put under a microscope because of its history unscrupulous behavior and consistent corruption. Nothing political or personal about the comment, just facts.

    BWC’s are coming your way whether you agree with them or not. They do not invade your privacy or make your job difficult, as long as you police ethically, as well as follow department policy. Don’t lie, have sex on duty/ all out sex scandals, improperly search females, drive your patrol vehicle drunk, punch handcuffed suspects, lie on your timesheet/ overtime, go to another county to solicit a prostitute, travel to another county for a K9 event in excess of 100 Mph, hire family members without putting them through the proper process required by policy, or have unethical relationships with certain City officials and you should be just fine.

    Just a tip, conservationists believe in law and order as well as having an ethical and honorable police department to serve them. We however do not support corruption, lies or any of the listed events from the above paragraph. Good luck to you and be sure to hit record when you’re X25 with a citizen.

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    You made a valid point. All those events you speak of I guess you were referring to acts LPD officers were accused of? They got caught without body cameras. So why the need for them? Do you really think someone would do these things without turning a camera off or somehow manipulating the device?

    And the "as long as they follow policy" part you speak of. Have you ever seen a printed policy and procedure manual? If not Ill give you a hint. It probably 8-10 inches tall in a three ring binder. Do you really think even the best officer can go through a shift trying their best without violating one of these policies? Your thinking is the exact reason why people want cops to be wired. It's nothing but an illusion. A camera will not change one's ethics. And if you're so sure they are coming, the citizens who actually want the police better pray there is a uniform to put one on when they get here.

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    I have no issues with wearing a camera whatsoever. In fact, it'll be nice to have when someone files a BS complaint and we can unfound it immediately. However, I DO have an issue with Joe Blow being able to walk in off the street and request, anonymously, any footage they want to, under the Sunshine Law. Traffic stops? Thefts? Me taking a leak? Have at it. Me interviwing a DV victim, or a SexBat victim? Viewing footage from a fatal crash? No way. So until the State can amend the Sunshine Law accordingly, no freaking way. IMO of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    I have no issues with wearing a camera whatsoever. In fact, it'll be nice to have when someone files a BS complaint and we can unfound it immediately. However, I DO have an issue with Joe Blow being able to walk in off the street and request, anonymously, any footage they want to, under the Sunshine Law. Traffic stops? Thefts? Me taking a leak? Have at it. Me interviwing a DV victim, or a SexBat victim? Viewing footage from a fatal crash? No way. So until the State can amend the Sunshine Law accordingly, no freaking way. IMO of course.
    Or you make an arrest on a traffic stop and go to trial and are mocked in court for the radio station you are listening to. Or a driver does something stupid and you (without malice) call the driver an idiot before you pull him over and write him a ticket. These have actually happened (not in Polk) and the latter scenario the Officer received discipline. The risk of an unintentional comment or act that lives perpetually is far greater than saving you on a bogus complaint. The only way to go is let the member have control over when it comes on and when it goes off. But the chances of that happening are remote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Or you make an arrest on a traffic stop and go to trial and are mocked in court for the radio station you are listening to. Or a driver does something stupid and you (without malice) call the driver an idiot before you pull him over and write him a ticket. These have actually happened (not in Polk) and the latter scenario the Officer received discipline. The risk of an unintentional comment or act that lives perpetually is far greater than saving you on a bogus complaint. The only way to go is let the member have control over when it comes on and when it goes off. But the chances of that happening are remote.
    You should have more control over your and emotions and not take things so personal when suspects irritate you.

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