FHP switched to 9 mm

[Unregistered]

Well FHP did it so I guess it means it’s a good idea right?!? Who the F follows FHP’s footsteps? I guess we should shift our focus to only working crashes now since that’s what FHP does. Moron!!!

Look retard, it's all about saving money. That's why the FHP and many other agencies switched to 9 mm. Fiscally speaking, it is a good idea, that's why theses agencies did it. They could care less about the FHP.

[Unregistered]

G45 is the way to go, the perfect pistol for law enforcement. But there will always be the danger of some moron(s) who will suggest something more obscure or a different caliber than 9 mm and talk the brass into it. The Adams Arms scandal is a prime example of going for the low price vs what is proven and dependable.

[Unregistered]

Back to the caliber wars, again?

There are always more than one criterion for choosing a defensive handgun round. The most important one is effectiveness in stopping an attack with the fewest number of rounds expended over the widest range of conditions. This is the "God, please don't take me now" criterion. However, there are other factors which impact this consideration.

The first is that cops are notoriously terrible shots. Most are not "gun guys". They do not properly maintain or practice with their weapons. Their training is so-so. And, their mental preparedness is almost non-existent. So, they end up with a hit ratio of around 18-20%. To offset that problem, current training stresses the spray and pray doctrine. LEOs are taught to "hose down" their target. This necessitates a high capacity handgun. Now, while having the largest on-board ammunition capacity is a good thing, the whole point of surviving a gun fight, is to do so with ammunition left over. Remember, every bullet, which fails to connect with the assailant, is not only wasted but is also a potential multi-million dollar liability issue.

Now, caliber choice. Over 100 years of study has proven that the larger the frontal cross section of a bullet, traversing a human body, the greater the damage and the more effective it is at stopping an attack. This has been settled science for 75-100 years. Modern handgun cartridges rely upon expansion of the projectile to expand the area of damage and increase effectiveness. Good engineering. However, if the projectile fails to expand [or fragment, in some cases] the effectiveness of the cartridge, in stopping an attack, is reduced. So, bigger is always better, in this regard.

But, other factors creep in. Things like recoil. The difference in recoil between non-magnum handgun cartridges, in the 9mm and larger range, is negligible. And, its effects can be reduced even more by efficient stance and grip and weapon weight. While light weapon weight is a plus, for extended carry, it is not your friend when it comes to shooting the weapon. And, again, carry weight can be mitigated by well engineered and fitted belts and holsters.

So, what does this mean for LEAs? A trade-off. More training means more expense. It also means greater LEO survivability and less liability. But, it can be significant, especially if bean counters factor in the number of OIS per year. It is usually rather low, after all. How to save money? Cut training costs. One way to do that is to use a less expensive round, especially in training. And, unlike with revolvers, semi-automatic pistols need a certain level of power, from their ammo, to function. I can remember actually being able to see .38 spl. rounds going down range during training and qualification.

So, 9x19mm, .40 S&W, .357 SIG, .45 GAP or .45 ACP. It really doesn't matter. As long as the operator hits the target and bullets perform as engineered, the results are pretty much the same. So, a department will usually base its long-term ammunition decision on the training costs, as actual OIS are low in number. It will adopt the argument that the operator can fire more smaller caliber rounds than he can larger ones, in the same time frame, thereby landing more hits and offsetting the fact that the smaller round will be less effective. It was nice, in the old days, when agencies allowed employees to carry various calibers [and buy their own duty ammo as well]. Now budget constraints make it more desirable for the department to supply ammo and, in some cases, weapons. And, they will almost always purchase the lowest priced supplies available. Another trade-off, for both the LEO and the department.

[Unregistered]

The FHP. (AAA with a gun) is following the lead of the biggest joke in law enforcement. If the FBI went to bow and arrows, the FHP would follow

[Unregistered]

The FHP. (AAA with a gun) is following the lead of the biggest joke in law enforcement. If the FBI went to bow and arrows, the FHP would follow

BS. The FBI switched to 9 mm so the wimp millennials, girls and transgenders can handle the recoil and blast of their sidearms.

The FHP is just cheap. The 9 mm ammo is cheaper than the other calibers.

[Unregistered]

9mm? We don't need that! If anything we need to get rid of these new fangled "semi automatics" and go back to a real gun, a revolver. Six shots is all you need in trusty .38 Spcl. The only thing that looks and works better than a revolver is a good old fashion bright white long sleeve uniform shirt with tie. This place started going down hill when they changed for these newer Deputies, adding short sleeve uniform shirts, disgusting!

[Unregistered]

9mm? We don't need that! If anything we need to get rid of these new fangled "semi automatics" and go back to a real gun, a revolver. Six shots is all you need in trusty .38 Spcl. The only thing that looks and works better than a revolver is a good old fashion bright white long sleeve uniform shirt with tie. This place started going down hill when they changed for these newer Deputies, adding short sleeve uniform shirts, disgusting!

The uniform changes are one of the few positive things which this administration has done for the deputies. Gone are the cheap and hot polyester pants which could catch fire and burn, the ridiculous hot white shirts and ties, and the stupid shiny shoes which made your feet sweat and stink, nail fungus, etc. We are cops on duty not going to some parade or sitting around in offices.

[Unregistered]

I heard FHP switched to high point 9MM.

[Unregistered]

I heard FHP switched to high point 9MM.

Still no raise for the FHP this year, even if they issue cap and ball revolvers. It's a cheap, unprofessional outfit with the worst management. Only the desperate work there for low pay and crappy equipment.

[Unregistered]

Back to the caliber wars, again?

There are always more than one criterion for choosing a defensive handgun round. The most important one is effectiveness in stopping an attack with the fewest number of rounds expended over the widest range of conditions. This is the "God, please don't take me now" criterion. However, there are other factors which impact this consideration.

The first is that cops are notoriously terrible shots. Most are not "gun guys". They do not properly maintain or practice with their weapons. Their training is so-so. And, their mental preparedness is almost non-existent. So, they end up with a hit ratio of around 18-20%. To offset that problem, current training stresses the spray and pray doctrine. LEOs are taught to "hose down" their target. This necessitates a high capacity handgun. Now, while having the largest on-board ammunition capacity is a good thing, the whole point of surviving a gun fight, is to do so with ammunition left over. Remember, every bullet, which fails to connect with the assailant, is not only wasted but is also a potential multi-million dollar liability issue.

Now, caliber choice. Over 100 years of study has proven that the larger the frontal cross section of a bullet, traversing a human body, the greater the damage and the more effective it is at stopping an attack. This has been settled science for 75-100 years. Modern handgun cartridges rely upon expansion of the projectile to expand the area of damage and increase effectiveness. Good engineering. However, if the projectile fails to expand [or fragment, in some cases] the effectiveness of the cartridge, in stopping an attack, is reduced. So, bigger is always better, in this regard.

But, other factors creep in. Things like recoil. The difference in recoil between non-magnum handgun cartridges, in the 9mm and larger range, is negligible. And, its effects can be reduced even more by efficient stance and grip and weapon weight. While light weapon weight is a plus, for extended carry, it is not your friend when it comes to shooting the weapon. And, again, carry weight can be mitigated by well engineered and fitted belts and holsters.

So, what does this mean for LEAs? A trade-off. More training means more expense. It also means greater LEO survivability and less liability. But, it can be significant, especially if bean counters factor in the number of OIS per year. It is usually rather low, after all. How to save money? Cut training costs. One way to do that is to use a less expensive round, especially in training. And, unlike with revolvers, semi-automatic pistols need a certain level of power, from their ammo, to function. I can remember actually being able to see .38 spl. rounds going down range during training and qualification.

So, 9x19mm, .40 S&W, .357 SIG, .45 GAP or .45 ACP. It really doesn't matter. As long as the operator hits the target and bullets perform as engineered, the results are pretty much the same. So, a department will usually base its long-term ammunition decision on the training costs, as actual OIS are low in number. It will adopt the argument that the operator can fire more smaller caliber rounds than he can larger ones, in the same time frame, thereby landing more hits and offsetting the fact that the smaller round will be less effective. It was nice, in the old days, when agencies allowed employees to carry various calibers [and buy their own duty ammo as well]. Now budget constraints make it more desirable for the department to supply ammo and, in some cases, weapons. And, they will almost always purchase the lowest priced supplies available. Another trade-off, for both the LEO and the department.

Oh for f*cks sake, this guy again. Please go away. You don’t work here, never worked here, yet troll our board with your “expertise”. Please go wash your mouth out with buckshot, nerd.