What is the best decision?

Unregistered · 12-19-2020, 11:50 PM

When it comes to officer mental health and their families.

What is the best decision here when it’s 30 minutes, or even one hour, before the end of the shift and you get dispatched? Especially when you are still trying to catch up from the miserable night you are already having. Let’s put it in terms of reality. Since everyone just loves to minimize and to undermine our jobs with no one having the balls to step up and stand up for us on a global level. You, as a law enforcement officer, gets sent to meet with victim, who is possibly injured, interview witnesses, and maybe the suspect, to take on an important criminal investigation. Possibly a high stress call with evidence gathering, security camera video, and processing. Maybe an arrest and definitely the never ending reporting. Reporting that is expected to be perfect. Reporting that will be seen by lawyers and judges. Done by a tired emotionally drained deputy that has been on the clock literally all night long since literally yesterday evening.

Why are there no relief systems that are set in stone to take over and get us home?

Today I got home at 1045 hours and should have logged off at 0700 hours due to there being no systems in place to take over what I was doing like a real careers have in place. Never ending calls with not enough of us to handle them and only two 0600 units logging on going to their own in progress calls.

One way or another, no matter the answer, the agency has failed the citizens and especially us and our families with this cookie cutter policing methodology.

A call that is not an imminent emergency but requires quite a bit of follow up gets dispatched. It goes out right before shift change. Right before units that have been working 11 or so miserable hours and have literally been awake since the day before. Units that are tired, down paper, and down evidence, and whatever got dumped on them that night that this agency allowed and did not have the balls to stop.

The question is, do we make the complainants wait an hour or so, so a fresh deputy that has 12 hours to investigate can take the call, or send a tired worn out deputy that caller that will also be frustrated and angry. A set up to fail!

So that’s the question. It all begins from there as far as our mental health.

One way or the other the agency has failed that citizen regardless for failing to properly staff us, especially with no proper over lap shifts.

The reason for the question is regarding the preservation of our deputies. Their mental health, preventing burn out, and so on...

We have a lot of high paid fancy titled doctors and psych medical people working for us collecting bug bucks with, I bet, 99% less stress than us. We also have all these cute mental health deputies and new social workers yet there are no systems in place to keep us in good mental health, boost morale, and so on.

Sorry, but sending some moron to teach us yoga or boxing is not gona cut it. That’s their pet project so they can get noticed and promoted. We need to be looked out for by a leader that gives a shitt! Not buys toys.

How about get back to the basics? How about use common sense? How about DONT send a worn out tired and frustrated deputy to deal with an angry frustrated caller? How about stop setting us up for failure? Sending the closest unit as fast as possible is superficial and plain stupid. The Calls for Service SOP that says calm will not hold for the next shift was written by a dumb mother fukker that did no time on patrol.

The whole, “Go 97 and we will send you relieve,” if BULLSHITTT!!!! Once you are there 15 min you are buried.

Look out for your god damn deputies. These dumb people can wait! If you don’t want them to wait, don’t push us even harder to make up for YOUR logistical and deployment FAILURES!!!

Pull your heads out of your asssses while you are in your offices chit chatting about a bunch of nothing while we hump these miserable zones full of crazy insane incompetent reject of people.

170 year old agency and its leaders can’t even figure out how to do that. Many good supervisors do make sure we get home but it is not an agency wide no exception trend and paradigm so it’s hot or miss because here, looking out for your troops is seen as a bad thing. Get a boss that wants to be promoted and you are on your own. They need to take it as serious as not letting CPID calls hold or as serious as sending 2 units to a domestic.

This is the classic Peter Principle in effect.

I truly believe that the deep method of operation at this agency is to hire young college kids that have no frame of reference on what a real career is like. Keep them here long enough to justify the training costs but not long enough to be vested and max out. Keep the work conditions at a level where you can make people burn out and leave right around 5-6 years. They control that by keeping staffing low. This way they get the get cheap labor with less people. Keep it a revolving door of young deputies.
By moving the vesting to 8 years plus the 30 year retirement, no one will want to stay long enough to take too much out of the FRS money pot. But make sure they stay enough to not take a hit with training cost. That’s also why supervisors have been forced to become micro managers. Because long ago, a deputy’s ultimate goal was to become knowledgable skilled seasoned and work all the way to retirement with minimal supervisor involvement. Now they hire young and keep replacing them as they quit. It cheapens this job and supervisors do the actual thinking through the deputies.

This is no different that a fancy restaurant that first opens its doors and it has two 5 star chefs working. Then some bean counter idiot decides to fire the chefs, change the kitchen to a line style kitchen, and hire inexperienced high school juveniles. Easily replaceable cheap juveniles. They place the instructions on how to heat up the pre packaged meals on the wall and require minimal training. With a whole other set of juveniles pre packaging the food in the back. The typical cookie cutter process. This job has become that and has been completely cheapened. That’s why there is no morale comradary or pride left. All you got are the ego power hungry meat heads that stay because they need this job as an identity. Those that do stay and work the front lines all the way to retirement die early. One way or the other, that FRS pot gets fatter and fatter. For the fast tracked office jockeys. The ones that are put on a path of bo danger or stress so they can cruise for 40 years then retire healthy and truly enjoy their retirement. They want you to quit, not too soon, or die if you manage to be able to take this misery to full retirement.

This is why they hire young, dont like pre-certs, don’t want detention, only care if they quit under two years not justifying training, force supervisors to micro manage, keep us short, dump the liability on us, made us expendable, upped the vesting to 8 years, upped retirement to 30 years. Keep it cheap. Plus the you g new deputies won’t know how even 5 to 10 years ago, most zones had about half the businesses, half the apartment complexes, half the neighborhoods, half the call volume, half the population, and more deputies.

A revolving door of deputies that have no value. Nice and cheap. Law enforcement with a production line mentality. No mastery because it costs money so it has been rendered meaningless in order to not make it a factor.

Fix this, and you fix everything. Start with what I first asked. What is your decision? It starts with small decisions like this one With decisions that are trivial to you leaders but mean all the difference in the world to us. ALL the difference. What is your desicion?

Which will it be? If you don’t like it then quit! Or, what can we do to keep you working here? Before you mention all the toys that have been bought it does not change the stress, it’s the free things that can make this a career vs shittt job. Like going home on time. It’s free. You just have to give a crap.

For all of you haters that are looking down the barrel of your second or third divorce and were willing to sell your family and time with your kids for a paycheck or worse, approval from the agency, or even worse.. To chase all those precious’s ranks. Shame on you. You are part of the problem and not the solution. If we ALL stuck together, they would listen. Stop setting an unhealthy precedence.

You know for a fact that it is miserable out here. Your solution is to kiss asss in order to transfer or promote away from the misery. Instead of speaking up and demand a change. Those of you that do that are the ones that quit after 5 years anyway leaving the ones here for the long haul to deal with the cute precedence you have set. It can not be sustained to retirement. Or maybe that’s the point.

Until law enforcement officers across the entire country demand to be treated like human beings with families at home and emotions and not seen as expendable assists, people will keep seeing us as robots and treating us as such. Morale will keep plummeting, it will continue to show with our frustrated citizen contact, and people will keep hating us. There does need to be police reform. Starting with the mental health of the officers FIRST.

So what will it be? If you care, a change to address this will come from the top.

Unregistered · 12-20-2020, 12:27 PM

I feel your pain and agree with most of what you have said. I would expect you to work had your entire shit, and agree, working countless hours of overtime regularly is debilitating. Periodically is acceptable if taking a priority position on a high priority call but not regularly for documentation purposes. The shift overlap, it is sufficient. The manpower allocation to patrol is not. To compound the matter, it is your supervisors responsibility to communicate with the relief supervisor to schedule your relief if dispatchers are not looking after you. But, saying that, I don’t expect you to sit around with your finger up you azz at the end of shift. Go 97 and start the case. Do an initial interview, dust for prints, do something. Again, I feel your pain. Speak your your supervisor like an adult and ask for a resolution. And finally, do you have to use the Lord’s name in vain? It pains me to hear your disrespect for the Lord. Please consider breaking that bad habit.

Unregistered · 12-21-2020, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Unregistered

When it comes to officer mental health and their families.

What is the best decision here when it’s 30 minutes, or even one hour, before the end of the shift and you get dispatched? Especially when you are still trying to catch up from the miserable night you are already having. Let’s put it in terms of reality. Since everyone just loves to minimize and to undermine our jobs with no one having the balls to step up and stand up for us on a global level. You, as a law enforcement officer, gets sent to meet with victim, who is possibly injured, interview witnesses, and maybe the suspect, to take on an important criminal investigation. Possibly a high stress call with evidence gathering, security camera video, and processing. Maybe an arrest and definitely the never ending reporting. Reporting that is expected to be perfect. Reporting that will be seen by lawyers and judges. Done by a tired emotionally drained deputy that has been on the clock literally all night long since literally yesterday evening.

Why are there no relief systems that are set in stone to take over and get us home?

Today I got home at 1045 hours and should have logged off at 0700 hours due to there being no systems in place to take over what I was doing like a real careers have in place. Never ending calls with not enough of us to handle them and only two 0600 units logging on going to their own in progress calls.

One way or another, no matter the answer, the agency has failed the citizens and especially us and our families with this cookie cutter policing methodology.

A call that is not an imminent emergency but requires quite a bit of follow up gets dispatched. It goes out right before shift change. Right before units that have been working 11 or so miserable hours and have literally been awake since the day before. Units that are tired, down paper, and down evidence, and whatever got dumped on them that night that this agency allowed and did not have the balls to stop.

The question is, do we make the complainants wait an hour or so, so a fresh deputy that has 12 hours to investigate can take the call, or send a tired worn out deputy that caller that will also be frustrated and angry. A set up to fail!

So that’s the question. It all begins from there as far as our mental health.

One way or the other the agency has failed that citizen regardless for failing to properly staff us, especially with no proper over lap shifts.

The reason for the question is regarding the preservation of our deputies. Their mental health, preventing burn out, and so on...

We have a lot of high paid fancy titled doctors and psych medical people working for us collecting bug bucks with, I bet, 99% less stress than us. We also have all these cute mental health deputies and new social workers yet there are no systems in place to keep us in good mental health, boost morale, and so on.

Sorry, but sending some moron to teach us yoga or boxing is not gona cut it. That’s their pet project so they can get noticed and promoted. We need to be looked out for by a leader that gives a shitt! Not buys toys.

How about get back to the basics? How about use common sense? How about DONT send a worn out tired and frustrated deputy to deal with an angry frustrated caller? How about stop setting us up for failure? Sending the closest unit as fast as possible is superficial and plain stupid. The Calls for Service SOP that says calm will not hold for the next shift was written by a dumb mother fukker that did no time on patrol.

The whole, “Go 97 and we will send you relieve,” if BULLSHITTT!!!! Once you are there 15 min you are buried.

Look out for your god damn deputies. These dumb people can wait! If you don’t want them to wait, don’t push us even harder to make up for YOUR logistical and deployment FAILURES!!!

Pull your heads out of your asssses while you are in your offices chit chatting about a bunch of nothing while we hump these miserable zones full of crazy insane incompetent reject of people.

170 year old agency and its leaders can’t even figure out how to do that. Many good supervisors do make sure we get home but it is not an agency wide no exception trend and paradigm so it’s hot or miss because here, looking out for your troops is seen as a bad thing. Get a boss that wants to be promoted and you are on your own. They need to take it as serious as not letting CPID calls hold or as serious as sending 2 units to a domestic.

This is the classic Peter Principle in effect.

I truly believe that the deep method of operation at this agency is to hire young college kids that have no frame of reference on what a real career is like. Keep them here long enough to justify the training costs but not long enough to be vested and max out. Keep the work conditions at a level where you can make people burn out and leave right around 5-6 years. They control that by keeping staffing low. This way they get the get cheap labor with less people. Keep it a revolving door of young deputies.
By moving the vesting to 8 years plus the 30 year retirement, no one will want to stay long enough to take too much out of the FRS money pot. But make sure they stay enough to not take a hit with training cost. That’s also why supervisors have been forced to become micro managers. Because long ago, a deputy’s ultimate goal was to become knowledgable skilled seasoned and work all the way to retirement with minimal supervisor involvement. Now they hire young and keep replacing them as they quit. It cheapens this job and supervisors do the actual thinking through the deputies.

This is no different that a fancy restaurant that first opens its doors and it has two 5 star chefs working. Then some bean counter idiot decides to fire the chefs, change the kitchen to a line style kitchen, and hire inexperienced high school juveniles. Easily replaceable cheap juveniles. They place the instructions on how to heat up the pre packaged meals on the wall and require minimal training. With a whole other set of juveniles pre packaging the food in the back. The typical cookie cutter process. This job has become that and has been completely cheapened. That’s why there is no morale comradary or pride left. All you got are the ego power hungry meat heads that stay because they need this job as an identity. Those that do stay and work the front lines all the way to retirement die early. One way or the other, that FRS pot gets fatter and fatter. For the fast tracked office jockeys. The ones that are put on a path of bo danger or stress so they can cruise for 40 years then retire healthy and truly enjoy their retirement. They want you to quit, not too soon, or die if you manage to be able to take this misery to full retirement.

This is why they hire young, dont like pre-certs, don’t want detention, only care if they quit under two years not justifying training, force supervisors to micro manage, keep us short, dump the liability on us, made us expendable, upped the vesting to 8 years, upped retirement to 30 years. Keep it cheap. Plus the you g new deputies won’t know how even 5 to 10 years ago, most zones had about half the businesses, half the apartment complexes, half the neighborhoods, half the call volume, half the population, and more deputies.

A revolving door of deputies that have no value. Nice and cheap. Law enforcement with a production line mentality. No mastery because it costs money so it has been rendered meaningless in order to not make it a factor.

Fix this, and you fix everything. Start with what I first asked. What is your decision? It starts with small decisions like this one With decisions that are trivial to you leaders but mean all the difference in the world to us. ALL the difference. What is your desicion?

Which will it be? If you don’t like it then quit! Or, what can we do to keep you working here? Before you mention all the toys that have been bought it does not change the stress, it’s the free things that can make this a career vs shittt job. Like going home on time. It’s free. You just have to give a crap.

For all of you haters that are looking down the barrel of your second or third divorce and were willing to sell your family and time with your kids for a paycheck or worse, approval from the agency, or even worse.. To chase all those precious’s ranks. Shame on you. You are part of the problem and not the solution. If we ALL stuck together, they would listen. Stop setting an unhealthy precedence.

You know for a fact that it is miserable out here. Your solution is to kiss asss in order to transfer or promote away from the misery. Instead of speaking up and demand a change. Those of you that do that are the ones that quit after 5 years anyway leaving the ones here for the long haul to deal with the cute precedence you have set. It can not be sustained to retirement. Or maybe that’s the point.

Until law enforcement officers across the entire country demand to be treated like human beings with families at home and emotions and not seen as expendable assists, people will keep seeing us as robots and treating us as such. Morale will keep plummeting, it will continue to show with our frustrated citizen contact, and people will keep hating us. There does need to be police reform. Starting with the mental health of the officers FIRST.

So what will it be? If you care, a change to address this will come from the top.

Long winded puzzy

Unregistered · 12-21-2020, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Long winded puzzy

Aw man, don't be like that. This is the one place to vent and anonymously collaborate for solutions. If a person doesn't feel comfortable discussing these issues with their supervisor, maybe the SOC will see the threads with the similar issues?

Hopefully, this will lead to some corrective action.

HINT, HINT, SOC....

Unregistered · 12-22-2020, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Long winded puzzy

Actually, it's very well expressed in detail what a lot of people know to be a serious issue but haven't stated up the chain of command (and they could care less). The Poster should keep this pasted into a doc and find someone who cares about us and can do something and send it to them. If the right people get some heat, it would make his writing worth it.

Unregistered · 12-22-2020, 09:51 PM

They know of these problems, all the way to the top. They are not in your shoes any longer so it is not their priority. When a sheriff that cares is elected, he will make it a priority. I feel your pain but it has gotten worse and worse through the years.

Unregistered · 12-22-2020, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Unregistered

They know of these problems, all the way to the top. They are not in your shoes any longer so it is not their priority. When a sheriff that cares is elected, he will make it a priority. I feel your pain but it has gotten worse and worse through the years.

Who is that person?