This is why Patrol needs its experts and experience

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Think most agencies see Patrol as the place you start, get some experience, then transfer to other investigative units. Agency promotional exams actually penalize you for not transferring to other areas, your often deemed limited if you don't go to other areas of the Agency. Patrol also is always the dumping grounds for people who get kicked out of other areas for various reasons. Patrol, is almost always the component with the most visibility and liability. A highly experienced Patrol dep that is good at what he does, is just as valuable as that homicide det. Another area that should be looked at is stats. To often, citations, fir's are the foundation of a Patrol Dep's evaluation. We got area checks, but have no bearing on your evaluation. Positive contacts and interactions with the public, is never captured unless a dep writes a report about it....Why can't a expanded MIR be created to document these non stat interactions? Supervisors are increasingly being burdened with administrative duties. The more Supervisors show up on dep activites, the less likely they are going to take short cuts on documentation or go outside policy to do things. A career path that is Patrol oriented, should be much more recognized than it has traditionally been.

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Think most agencies see Patrol as the place you start, get some experience, then transfer to other investigative units. Agency promotional exams actually penalize you for not transferring to other areas, your often deemed limited if you don't go to other areas of the Agency. Patrol also is always the dumping grounds for people who get kicked out of other areas for various reasons. Patrol, is almost always the component with the most visibility and liability. A highly experienced Patrol dep that is good at what he does, is just as valuable as that homicide det. Another area that should be looked at is stats. To often, citations, fir's are the foundation of a Patrol Dep's evaluation. We got area checks, but have no bearing on your evaluation. Positive contacts and interactions with the public, is never captured unless a dep writes a report about it....Why can't a expanded MIR be created to document these non stat interactions? Supervisors are increasingly being burdened with administrative duties. The more Supervisors show up on dep activites, the less likely they are going to take short cuts on documentation or go outside policy to do things. A career path that is Patrol oriented, should be much more recognized than it has traditionally been.

I will assume that this is coming from a 25 plus year patrol supervisor that was to afraid to transfer to another job while staying on twelve hour shifts sucking up all the OT.

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Patrol is really the best job in the agency. But they hire a bunch of people that think detectives have done magic status.

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Think most agencies see Patrol as the place you start, get some experience, then transfer to other investigative units. Agency promotional exams actually penalize you for not transferring to other areas, your often deemed limited if you don't go to other areas of the Agency. Patrol also is always the dumping grounds for people who get kicked out of other areas for various reasons. Patrol, is almost always the component with the most visibility and liability. A highly experienced Patrol dep that is good at what he does, is just as valuable as that homicide det. Another area that should be looked at is stats. To often, citations, fir's are the foundation of a Patrol Dep's evaluation. We got area checks, but have no bearing on your evaluation. Positive contacts and interactions with the public, is never captured unless a dep writes a report about it....Why can't a expanded MIR be created to document these non stat interactions? Supervisors are increasingly being burdened with administrative duties. The more Supervisors show up on dep activites, the less likely they are going to take short cuts on documentation or go outside policy to do things. A career path that is Patrol oriented, should be much more recognized than it has traditionally been.

You have some valid points. Patrol is where the rubber meets the road. We do incur the most liability and experience the most action. We go to whatever happens whenever It happens. Experienced Patrol Deputies are hard to come by. And by that I mean truly experienced. Ones who know and own their sector. As far as getting promoted goes, detective experience isn’t a must but a should have. And only bad supervisors look at pure stats. They review and approve all your reports, so they should know if you are a quantity or quality producer, or both. Where I think you’re a little dreamy is on the “positive Interaction “ data. How would you capture that? So you were friendly with someone and that counts? Regarding professionalism it counts. But just being friendly is not a must. Can you manage hectic scenes and rowdy people effectively? That counts. Your mouth gets more done than your fists, but there is that small percentage that can’t listen. Can you handle both? That all comes with time and experience. You make a good point about supervisors. Good ones are out there with you. Bad ones are office dwelling micro managers. Those supervisors suck and we all know who they are. Good post.

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Pretty sure clearwater does or did this with compstat and the park/walk/talk thing. Dunno how effective it is but they definately count the numbers.

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McLynas says he will start a website that will rate all deputies like Yelp. That should solve that problem. lol

https://mclynasforsheriff.com/?page_id=6783

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On the other hand we have an inexhaustible supply of office people who are seasoned experts at paper shuffling, drinking coffee and sodas, 2 hour lunches and useless meetings where they compete to kiss Bob's butt.

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You have some valid points. Patrol is where the rubber meets the road. We do incur the most liability and experience the most action. We go to whatever happens whenever It happens. Experienced Patrol Deputies are hard to come by. And by that I mean truly experienced. Ones who know and own their sector. As far as getting promoted goes, detective experience isn’t a must but a should have. And only bad supervisors look at pure stats. They review and approve all your reports, so they should know if you are a quantity or quality producer, or both. Where I think you’re a little dreamy is on the “positive Interaction “ data. How would you capture that? So you were friendly with someone and that counts? Regarding professionalism it counts. But just being friendly is not a must. Can you manage hectic scenes and rowdy people effectively? That counts. Your mouth gets more done than your fists, but there is that small percentage that can’t listen. Can you handle both? That all comes with time and experience. You make a good point about supervisors. Good ones are out there with you. Bad ones are office dwelling micro managers. Those supervisors suck and we all know who they are. Good post.

Patrol incurs the most liability? That's comical. That's why you get flip phones to leave in your car at the end of shift. You're responsible for taking the initial cover and passing it up to Detectives, who really have all of the liability if things are not done correctly. This is why Detectives get rolled back to patrol when they mess up.

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Detectives have no liability they just do what brass say. No decisions just follow orders. Easy job

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Patrol incurs the most liability? That's comical. That's why you get flip phones to leave in your car at the end of shift. You're responsible for taking the initial cover and passing it up to Detectives, who really have all of the liability if things are not done correctly. This is why Detectives get rolled back to patrol when they mess up.

Okay special detective, let’s explore this. What the OP meant here was that Patrol goes to everything first. Detectives don’t initially respond to anything. In fact I’m pretty sure you gentile souls don’t leave the office unless you are called or it’s time for lunch. I watch your lazy asses filter out the back door of the SAB every day like clockwork. Looks like a line of ducklings following a momma duck out the door. With your Oxford Shirts or your stupid dark green polos and training pants. Y’all walk out like you just solved the Ted Bundy Case. In reality you look like Al Bundy. Patrol goes to the active call always. Before Burglary. CAP, CAC, ECU, and even SWAT. That was the point. But aren’t you special with your smart phone and all. The talent in IOB is minimal at best. There are too many people impressed with the title of detective, even though you’re anything but. There are a few detectives we are lucky to have. The majority are just lucky to be in IOB due to a lack of experienced candidates. And that’s a fact.