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    PBA Joke

    So the best that the PBA can consider for contract negotiations is 12 hour shifts for all? Exactly how are you going to propose that for IOB and JOB? 12’s are designed for 24/7 units. Are tens not enough for IOB? Exactly how does the PBA decide what to ask for? How about considerations for night shift staff who have to do everything for overtime or comp because the rest of the agency closes by 1600? How about the trend of load bearing vests for patrol? And before you whine about cool guy vests, they are used by VCTF, HOME and K9, all patrol units. What about 9mm service weapons? And hold up, SWAT and several units carry the damn things so hold your hate. And whether or not these topics are worthy or not, who the hell decides what topics to bring up? Bedy? I suppose you have to go to the meetings/dinner. It would be nice if there was a way to ask for suggestions from everyone. I’ve been through no unions for contracts. FOP union begging and PBA begging. I’ve never been asked for an opinion by any union. Who decides what is asked for? It’d be nice if the the effected members had an actual say. What a concept 😑

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    Nobody cares about that stuff or the PBA/FOP.

    Adultery, improper relationships, sex on the job, alcohol/drug abuse, alleged corruption, brass transfers, promotional politics, IAD investigations, and other gossip will get more replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    So the best that the PBA can consider for contract negotiations is 12 hour shifts for all? Exactly how are you going to propose that for IOB and JOB? 12’s are designed for 24/7 units. Are tens not enough for IOB? Exactly how does the PBA decide what to ask for? How about considerations for night shift staff who have to do everything for overtime or comp because the rest of the agency closes by 1600? How about the trend of load bearing vests for patrol? And before you whine about cool guy vests, they are used by VCTF, HOME and K9, all patrol units. What about 9mm service weapons? And hold up, SWAT and several units carry the damn things so hold your hate. And whether or not these topics are worthy or not, who the hell decides what topics to bring up? Bedy? I suppose you have to go to the meetings/dinner. It would be nice if there was a way to ask for suggestions from everyone. I’ve been through no unions for contracts. FOP union begging and PBA begging. I’ve never been asked for an opinion by any union. Who decides what is asked for? It’d be nice if the the effected members had an actual say. What a concept 😑
    Forget the superfluous BS and concentrate on three things;

    1) Wages. Get as much as you can now. Tomorrow, economics may make wage increases impossible to get.
    2) Benefits. Health insurance is expensive and you will need it after you retire more than you do now. Guaranteed vacation. Accruing three or four weeks a year and only be allowed to take 2 weeks at a time sucks, if you have seniority. Uniform promotion practices which are FAIR to all employees. The state already screwed up your pension, so that is largely off the table. Stay away from shifts over 8 hours. Several studies have shown that 8 hour shifts are more advantageous, as they limit fatigue and reduce accidents and miscalculations, which the employee ends up paying for.
    3) Job security. Lock in fair and responsible disciplinary procedures. And, whatever you do do not look to boards outside the agency for discipline. You have much more clout inside the agency that you do outside.

    Good luck on your negotiations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Forget the superfluous BS and concentrate on three things;

    1) Wages. Get as much as you can now. Tomorrow, economics may make wage increases impossible to get.
    2) Benefits. Health insurance is expensive and you will need it after you retire more than you do now. Guaranteed vacation. Accruing three or four weeks a year and only be allowed to take 2 weeks at a time sucks, if you have seniority. Uniform promotion practices which are FAIR to all employees. The state already screwed up your pension, so that is largely off the table. Stay away from shifts over 8 hours. Several studies have shown that 8 hour shifts are more advantageous, as they limit fatigue and reduce accidents and miscalculations, which the employee ends up paying for.
    3) Job security. Lock in fair and responsible disciplinary procedures. And, whatever you do do not look to boards outside the agency for discipline. You have much more clout inside the agency that you do outside.

    Good luck on your negotiations.
    Wages are up, step plan is in place. Benefits are good as well. Discipline measures are set by contract and law. What else do you have? Apparently 12 hour shifts for IOB and JOB are a thing now too.

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    What if I told you Car1 has the option of detail pay becoming part of your pension benefit?

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    12s blow only kids like them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    What if I told you Car1 has the option of detail pay becoming part of your pension benefit?
    Not going to happen because details are not part of your agency pay. Only OT is. FHP already tried it, no go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Wages are up, step plan is in place. Benefits are good as well. Discipline measures are set by contract and law. What else do you have? Apparently 12 hour shifts for IOB and JOB are a thing now too.
    So, how about another 3% in salary? Can retirees stay on the agency group insurance policy and how much of the premiums does the agency cover, once you have retired? Discipline procedures are set, mostly by contract for Sheriff's, and this is a contract negotiation, right? Now 12s have been a problem everywhere that they are in place. The first problem is that you have to work either a 36 or 48 hour work week for them to equal 8s or 10s. This can screw up overtime pay and it usually causes changes in wages which are not beneficial to the employee. And, unlike 10s, there is no overlap, which increases accidents and mistakes due to fatigue. Always ask for more. You can always settle for less.

    Now, if everyone is satisfied with the status quo, then simply make a copy of the old contract and have everyone sign it. This will eliminate a lot of wasted time not negotiating for anything of value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    12s blow only kids like them
    Even a wretched agency like SPPD offers the option of 8s or 10s. The least we should do is to match SPPD.

    Retiree medical insurance premiums depend when you were hired, pre or post 1995. If you are post 1995, the longer you work the lower the premiums. The pre 1995 deal was too expensive for the agency so that's how the post 1995 variable rate insurance came about. It's definitely something worth fighting for because medical insurance is a big deal later on in retirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    12s blow only kids like them
    Practically nobody wanted 12s, they were mandated on us by the administration. There were several votes over the years and 8s won by large margins.

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