Hey Scott Israel, are you listening to a real sheriff. probably not.

[Unregisteredinyoway]

Scott Israel, please listen to the sheriff in California speak in reference to the shooting at a school in his jurisdiction. Did you hear what he said? Deputies deployed immediately into the school. Key word, immediately!!!!!Notice also how he didn't hog the cameras? do you know why his people aggressively ran into that building? It wasn't because of MAY, or SHALL. it was because they knew their leader would support them regardless of the circumstances. Yes Scotty boy, it's about following your leader, and being proud to serve for that person. Are you getting yet? probably not. But here's the bottom line, nobody wants to work for you, and when you were here, nobody was proud to call you their leader. So, please go away, nobody wants you back.

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So, let's analyze the Saugus School shooing, shall we?

A 16 year old walks onto ANOTHER unsecured high school campus. He pulls a .45ACP handgun from his backpack and empties the magazine at classmates, saving the last round for himself. He kills two and wounds three. Sheriff"s deputies arrive two minutes after the shooting has been reported and it wasn't reported until it was over and the gunman had already shot himself in the head.

Now, the only difference in this shooting and the MSDHS shooting, is that Cruz brought more than a single magazine holding 6-15 rounds and used a rifle, rather than a pistol, a much less powerful weapon. The California shooter managed to kill 2, wound three and shoot himself before LEOs arrived on scene. In the MSDHS shooting, Cruz was able to kill 11 and wound a similar number before the first deputy arrived at the scene. In both cases, the LEA had no idea that there was an armed person on campus, until after the shooting had started. In both cases, the school board had provided NO effective security to prevent such an incident from happening in the first place. As I have pointed out before, the lack of effective security to stop such an incident is almost universal in the US.

Now, the question is, will the media, the families of slain and injured people and political activists mount a dedicated effort to blame and punish one or more elected officials. Will the Sheriff or members of the school board be removed from office over this? Or will this be written off as an aberration which could only be stopped by total gun control and mental health programs? We'll see what happens. But, the response in both cases was pretty much the same. The difference was that the California shooting took place outside the school building itself and was over, before the LEOs arrived on scene and probably before dispatch even took the call. So, we have NO idea what the LEOs would have done when they arrived on scene, if the shooting was still in progress inside a building, do we?

[Unregisteredwowowow]

So, let's analyze the Saugus School shooing, shall we?

A 16 year old walks onto ANOTHER unsecured high school campus. He pulls a .45ACP handgun from his backpack and empties the magazine at classmates, saving the last round for himself. He kills two and wounds three. Sheriff"s deputies arrive two minutes after the shooting has been reported and it wasn't reported until it was over and the gunman had already shot himself in the head.

Now, the only difference in this shooting and the MSDHS shooting, is that Cruz brought more than a single magazine holding 6-15 rounds and used a rifle, rather than a pistol, a much less powerful weapon. The California shooter managed to kill 2, wound three and shoot himself before LEOs arrived on scene. In the MSDHS shooting, Cruz was able to kill 11 and wound a similar number before the first deputy arrived at the scene. In both cases, the LEA had no idea that there was an armed person on campus, until after the shooting had started. In both cases, the school board had provided NO effective security to prevent such an incident from happening in the first place. As I have pointed out before, the lack of effective security to stop such an incident is almost universal in the US.

Now, the question is, will the media, the families of slain and injured people and political activists mount a dedicated effort to blame and punish one or more elected officials. Will the Sheriff or members of the school board be removed from office over this? Or will this be written off as an aberration which could only be stopped by total gun control and mental health programs? We'll see what happens. But, the response in both cases was pretty much the same. The difference was that the California shooting took place outside the school building itself and was over, before the LEOs arrived on scene and probably before dispatch even took the call. So, we have NO idea what the LEOs would have done when they arrived on scene, if the shooting was still in progress inside a building, do we?

You're leaving out one important factor. Cops immediately ran into the building and rendered medical assistance to the other injured students, which definitely saved lives. Did you read the Stoneman Douglas report. many of those students waited 48 minutes for help. You guys just don't get it. You are a bunch of Looooooooosers. And that's howe the entire country looks at BSO.

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You're leaving out one important factor. Cops immediately ran into the building and rendered medical assistance to the other injured students, which definitely saved lives. Did you read the Stoneman Douglas report. many of those students waited 48 minutes for help. You guys just don't get it. You are a bunch of Looooooooosers. And that's howe the entire country looks at BSO.

From the news reports that I have read, so far, the California shooting occurred outside the buildings on the quad, not inside the buildings. And, all of the victims there were right with the shooter, who was unconscious from shooting himself in the head. Now, in the case of MSDHS, most of the delay was the result of two things. The first thing was the delay on the surveillance system, which caused the responders to believe that Cruz was still inside the building. And, you have to move from the ground to the top floor and clear every room, or run the risk of having unarmed paramedics become additional casualties at the hands of the shooter.

Oh, the men and women of the BSO get it. We know the situation. We know the dangers. We face them every single day. We know the procedures and why they are in place. Most other people do not. They make assumptions based on no information or inaccurate information. And, then demand unjustified action be taken against others, to make themselves feel better or safer. Whether they are any safer or not.

Now, one last time. Without effective security measures in place, these kind of incidents can NOT be stopped. If any yahoo can simply walk onto a school campus, with a firearms or other deadly weapon, and they use it against unarmed students and teachers, people are going to die and be injured. GET IT??? By the time Peterson arrived at Building 12, at MSDHS, 11 students were dead and 13 were shot and survived. 11 DEAD, 13 WOUNDED, BEFORE deputies arrived. Cruz killed 6 and wounded 4 on the third floor. If Peterson ran in immediately, and shot Cruz dead on the first floor, 6 people would have been alive and 4 would not have been wounded. But, 11 would still be dead and 13 wounded. See, once you allow the fox into the hen house, you are going to lose chickens.

But, everything will be all right if we get rid of the local sheriff, whether he was responsible or n ot. Feel better now?

[Unregisteredohknow]

From the news reports that I have read, so far, the California shooting occurred outside the buildings on the quad, not inside the buildings. And, all of the victims there were right with the shooter, who was unconscious from shooting himself in the head. Now, in the case of MSDHS, most of the delay was the result of two things. The first thing was the delay on the surveillance system, which caused the responders to believe that Cruz was still inside the building. And, you have to move from the ground to the top floor and clear every room, or run the risk of having unarmed paramedics become additional casualties at the hands of the shooter.

Oh, the men and women of the BSO get it. We know the situation. We know the dangers. We face them every single day. We know the procedures and why they are in place. Most other people do not. They make assumptions based on no information or inaccurate information. And, then demand unjustified action be taken against others, to make themselves feel better or safer. Whether they are any safer or not.

Now, one last time. Without effective security measures in place, these kind of incidents can NOT be stopped. If any yahoo can simply walk onto a school campus, with a firearms or other deadly weapon, and they use it against unarmed students and teachers, people are going to die and be injured. GET IT??? By the time Peterson arrived at Building 12, at MSDHS, 11 students were dead and 13 were shot and survived. 11 DEAD, 13 WOUNDED, BEFORE deputies arrived. Cruz killed 6 and wounded 4 on the third floor. If Peterson ran in immediately, and shot Cruz dead on the first floor, 6 people would have been alive and 4 would not have been wounded. But, 11 would still be dead and 13 wounded. See, once you allow the fox into the hen house, you are going to lose chickens.

But, everything will be all right if we get rid of the local sheriff, whether he was responsible or n ot. Feel better now?

You're just not getting it.

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Scott Israel, please listen to the sheriff in California speak in reference to the shooting at a school in his jurisdiction. Did you hear what he said? Deputies deployed immediately into the school. Key word, immediately!!!!!Notice also how he didn't hog the cameras? do you know why his people aggressively ran into that building? It wasn't because of MAY, or SHALL. it was because they knew their leader would support them regardless of the circumstances. Yes Scotty boy, it's about following your leader, and being proud to serve for that person. Are you getting yet? probably not. But here's the bottom line, nobody wants to work for you, and when you were here, nobody was proud to call you their leader. So, please go away, nobody wants you back.

Dude your not getting it but must be on some funky shit. Take the right dose or see your doctor again to be re-evacuated

[Unregisteredisthatit]

Dude your not getting it but must be on some funky shit. Take the right dose or see your doctor again to be re-evacuated

So wait, what you're saying is, that although there were students shot and bleeding out on the 3rd floor, you're suppose to clear every room on the first two floors before getting to the 3rd floor??????? holy Sh*t. where the hell were you trained? This has got to be either Scott Israel or Jimmy Polan writing these posts.

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So wait, what you're saying is, that although there were students shot and bleeding out on the 3rd floor, you're suppose to clear every room on the first two floors before getting to the 3rd floor??????? holy Sh*t. where the hell were you trained? This has got to be either Scott Israel or Jimmy Polan writing these posts.

You got it, Homey. Unless you secure the building as you move through it, you can end up getting ambushed. When that happens, you are unable to continue to attempt to reach the injured, as well as ending up with MORE casualties.

Here is the tactical situation, at the time. You enter the building. There are no shots being fired. You have no firm idea how many shooters are involved. You have no idea of their locations. You have no idea how many casualties you have. You have no idea of their locations. You have no idea what the shooter(s) looks like. So, the scene has to be secured. And, YOU are not the medical aid team. Now, your medical team is composed of unarmed non-combatants. They have to be protected. This means that they have to be in an environment which has been secured by your shooters or they have to be actively guarded by your shooters, while they work, or both. And, then the routes of egress, to remove the wounded, have to be secure as well.

These things are not part of some one hour television show, where the lone hero stalks the killer through the abandoned warehouse all alone and still manages to shoot the bad guy before the bad guy shoots him from ambush. These types of incidents are taking place in a very fragile environment, where you have non-combatants milling about or fleeing the scene. Responders have little or no information on exactly what is transpiring. They can not simply run willy-nilly through such an environment, but have to control it as well. This takes planning, execution and personnel. All of that takes time to get into place. This is the problem with having unknowledgeable people analyze these incidents. They simply have NO idea what they are talking about.

[Unregistered]

You're just not getting it.

Oh, I get it all right. Even though the LEOs in Santa Clara were not on scene until after the entire incident was over and the shooter had shot himself with his nearly empty handgun, they are somehow heroes and the BSO, in a much more uncertain situation are cowards. This is all part of the continuing attempt to sell the notion that Scott Israel and the BSO were responsible for the MSDHS shooting, even though all the investigations say otherwise.

The takeaway from the Saugus HS shooting is that there is no effective security almost everywhere in the country to prevent this type of thing. The shooter was allowed to bring a firearm onto the campus. How many dead and wounded would we have had there, if this kid had brought a high capacity, semi-automatic rifle and a couple of hundred rounds of ammunition instead of a handgun and less than 15 rounds? You would have ended up with another MSDHS shooting incident, with a high body count. They got real lucky in Santa Clara that they kid had a handgun and a limited amount of ammunition and offed himself before they got there.

[Unregisteredomg]

You got it, Homey. Unless you secure the building as you move through it, you can end up getting ambushed. When that happens, you are unable to continue to attempt to reach the injured, as well as ending up with MORE casualties.

Here is the tactical situation, at the time. You enter the building. There are no shots being fired. You have no firm idea how many shooters are involved. You have no idea of their locations. You have no idea how many casualties you have. You have no idea of their locations. You have no idea what the shooter(s) looks like. So, the scene has to be secured. And, YOU are not the medical aid team. Now, your medical team is composed of unarmed non-combatants. They have to be protected. This means that they have to be in an environment which has been secured by your shooters or they have to be actively guarded by your shooters, while they work, or both. And, then the routes of egress, to remove the wounded, have to be secure as well.

These things are not part of some one hour television show, where the lone hero stalks the killer through the abandoned warehouse all alone and still manages to shoot the bad guy before the bad guy shoots him from ambush. These types of incidents are taking place in a very fragile environment, where you have non-combatants milling about or fleeing the scene. Responders have little or no information on exactly what is transpiring. They can not simply run willy-nilly through such an environment, but have to control it as well. This takes planning, execution and personnel. All of that takes time to get into place. This is the problem with having unknowledgeable people analyze these incidents. They simply have NO idea what they are talking about.

My friend, you better find another line of work. If that's what BSO is teaching you, we just better hope there's not another school shooting. I Cant believe I just read this, because that's not the way I was trained from my agency, and that was 23 years ago. You wonder why BSO is looked at as the Keystone Cops.