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    Weak leaders

    While a weak leader has a proclivity to please the critics and the leeches, a strong leader has no qualms what the enemies say about him or his style of governance, but what intrinsic benefit does his ethical and political action bring toward the highest and common good of his people.

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    While a weak leader has a proclivity to please the critics and the leeches, a strong leader has no qualms what the enemies say about him or his style of governance, but what intrinsic benefit does his ethical and political action bring toward the highest and common good of his people.
    Great post. Straight to the point. Every complaint we have with regards to being able to do our jobs efficiently, effectively, with a calm supported centered core, can be directed back to this. Maybe its time to stop letting social media govern how we do things.

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    Great post. Straight to the point. Every complaint we have with regards to being able to do our jobs efficiently, effectively, with a calm supported centered core, can be directed back to this. Maybe its time to stop letting social media govern how we do things.
    Yes, just hop in the ol’ time machine and go back to the years before social media became important. That’s the only way.

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    It’s very strange how these New Age liberals are so afraid of social media. They feel left out if it’s not their pic in the selfie or if they aren’t highlighted in the agency’s Snapchat post of the day. Get with the modern times, you liberal sissies! The social media initiatives the sheriff has wisely created make things better for the rank and file deputies. The public gets to see agency members smiling and doing good things in the community every day. This is the kind of public relations that will pay huge dividends later. When one of you people screw up, the good will created by the social media work will cause the public and the news to give you the benefit of the doubt. Grow a brain and embrace the social media work being done on YOUR behalf. Every other agency in the nation has now embraced the sheriff’s idea for a proactive media program. If it wasn’t beneficial, then all the other agencies would not have jumped on board and copy catted the agency yet again. This is just the reality of the world in general and policing specifically. If you can’t support it, then please consider keeping your mouth shut about your opinion so you don’t ruin it for everyone else who supports the sheriff. There was a time when real cops had each other’s back and that includes having the back of the sheriff and the command staff as well. You are getting to participate in the advancement of law enforcement during the years of your career and you should be expressing pride and appreciation. Instead you’re acting like a bunch of little azzholes and trying to ruin things for everyone else because you don’t get to have your face in a selfie online. Get a damn life!

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    Wtf?

    Danny STFU and hurry up and go away!!

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    It’s very strange how these New Age liberals are so afraid of social media. They feel left out if it’s not their pic in the selfie or if they aren’t highlighted in the agency’s Snapchat post of the day. Get with the modern times, you liberal sissies! The social media initiatives the sheriff has wisely created make things better for the rank and file deputies. The public gets to see agency members smiling and doing good things in the community every day. This is the kind of public relations that will pay huge dividends later. When one of you people screw up, the good will created by the social media work will cause the public and the news to give you the benefit of the doubt. Grow a brain and embrace the social media work being done on YOUR behalf. Every other agency in the nation has now embraced the sheriff’s idea for a proactive media program. If it wasn’t beneficial, then all the other agencies would not have jumped on board and copy catted the agency yet again. This is just the reality of the world in general and policing specifically. If you can’t support it, then please consider keeping your mouth shut about your opinion so you don’t ruin it for everyone else who supports the sheriff. There was a time when real cops had each other’s back and that includes having the back of the sheriff and the command staff as well. You are getting to participate in the advancement of law enforcement during the years of your career and you should be expressing pride and appreciation. Instead you’re acting like a bunch of little azzholes and trying to ruin things for everyone else because you don’t get to have your face in a selfie online. Get a damn life!
    You have a great point. I see where you are coming from. On the surface, it makes sense. But you are beyond wrong. Wrong on so many levels. Wrong to the point where your mentality is what is destroying this country.

    The relationship between law enforcement, the law, “the police”, or whatever you what to call it and the citizens is not much different that that of a father and his children. A father provides, protects and teaches, but is not a buddy or a best friend. When some kid is about to do something stupid, his friends say, “Do it bro!”. A dad becomes the disciplinarian, the bearer of bad news, and says NO. Its not his job to fit in, be popular, and be liked at all times. How pitiful is it when you see that mom that still acts like a teen and tries to be her teen daughters best friend “sisters” with all her pitiful selfies? Or that mid 40’s divorced dad in mid life crisis that dresses like his teen son, hangs out with his friends, and acts like a juvenile on social media. Needless to say, those two example teens have no parent. It is our job to give bad news and do things that will make people mad. We answer only to the law via a judge. AND THAT IS IT. The only people we need to impress with quality investigations, documenting, evidence gathering, and sound decision making, are those that dwell in the arena of the court. What is legal or not. For every person we make happy, another gets made. THIS IS NOT CUSTOMER SERVICE!!! PERIOD!!! In the private sector, a business cant try to make everyone happy. Not here. This is lose lose and 50% is all we get at the most. If we legally arrest someone then the victim is happy and the arrestee hates cops. If we legally can not make an arrest due to lack of evidence, the the victims hate us and cops don't care. Most of the time we get involved in issues where we can not make anyone happy. People’s bad actions have to criticized and advised on why they were illegal.

    Also, most of our problems come from nosey dramatic complainants. It is too easy to have us dispatched. Callers and complainants that are malicious and get us involved in things we should not be involved in. Things WE ALLOW ourselves to get involved in that bite us in the ass. Why? To impress people? To make them happy? Because of the social media, we cant say NO and lets be friends mentality. This best friends social media garbage enables people to call us for non criminal matters and to solve non criminal issues like they are calling us as if we are some good friend they met online. In reality, they send us of to deal with non criminal matters we have no power to enforce only for them all to hate us because “we did nothing” about their own problem that they get them selves into and need to learn on their own how to fix it on their own in the first place. They expect those funny bubbly cute social media cops. Instead they get real patrol cops governed by the law. Because they did not get their way, “we look bad”. We enable learned helplessness like that. It is devastating and had cheapens police work and the law.

    Case in point... Some nosey bored caller calls us to report a strange person walking on the sidewalk in their neighborhood. No further details other than they never seen them before. Nothing criminal mentioned. Instead of telling that person NO, we are not going to that non criminal call, they dispatch us. When we get to the scene we see this person walking. Knowing full and well that no laws are being broken, we make contact. That leaves a bad taste in the mouth of that person. All while the caller looks through their blinds at the excitement they caused and now can talk and gossip about it for months. All while PUTTING US in the middle. The issue that could arise is this. Was that suspicious person detained? Were his rights violated? Will he sue? Will he hate cops? Will that person think its race based? Why do we take on the burden and liability for some dumb ass caller? Social media makes it too easy to call us. Like we can fix all problems. It does not show the delicate balance we must keep or risk losing or jobs, sued, or even arrested. Why do we fo this? Fear. Fear of complaints. They would rather us be put in a potential civil rights violation instead of telling a moron caller NO. We are not people friends. We are not what you see on fake social media. We can only do what the law says we can. We can not fix your problems that you CHOSE to get yourself into. Learn to help yourself. Stop sending us to absorb the liability. We can not fix everything. Stop enabling this. We are not everyones social media buddy.

    If you want social media from the police, then use it as a teaching tool. Use it to disseminate information on common Legal issues that can be avoided and how we are limited on certain things.

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    You have a great point. I see where you are coming from. On the surface, it makes sense. But you are beyond wrong. Wrong on so many levels. Wrong to the point where your mentality is what is destroying this country.

    The relationship between law enforcement, the law, “the police”, or whatever you what to call it and the citizens is not much different that that of a father and his children. A father provides, protects and teaches, but is not a buddy or a best friend. When some kid is about to do something stupid, his friends say, “Do it bro!”. A dad becomes the disciplinarian, the bearer of bad news, and says NO. Its not his job to fit in, be popular, and be liked at all times. How pitiful is it when you see that mom that still acts like a teen and tries to be her teen daughters best friend “sisters” with all her pitiful selfies? Or that mid 40’s divorced dad in mid life crisis that dresses like his teen son, hangs out with his friends, and acts like a juvenile on social media. Needless to say, those two example teens have no parent. It is our job to give bad news and do things that will make people mad. We answer only to the law via a judge. AND THAT IS IT. The only people we need to impress with quality investigations, documenting, evidence gathering, and sound decision making, are those that dwell in the arena of the court. What is legal or not. For every person we make happy, another gets made. THIS IS NOT CUSTOMER SERVICE!!! PERIOD!!! In the private sector, a business cant try to make everyone happy. Not here. This is lose lose and 50% is all we get at the most. If we legally arrest someone then the victim is happy and the arrestee hates cops. If we legally can not make an arrest due to lack of evidence, the the victims hate us and cops don't care. Most of the time we get involved in issues where we can not make anyone happy. People’s bad actions have to criticized and advised on why they were illegal.

    Also, most of our problems come from nosey dramatic complainants. It is too easy to have us dispatched. Callers and complainants that are malicious and get us involved in things we should not be involved in. Things WE ALLOW ourselves to get involved in that bite us in the ass. Why? To impress people? To make them happy? Because of the social media, we cant say NO and lets be friends mentality. This best friends social media garbage enables people to call us for non criminal matters and to solve non criminal issues like they are calling us as if we are some good friend they met online. In reality, they send us of to deal with non criminal matters we have no power to enforce only for them all to hate us because “we did nothing” about their own problem that they get them selves into and need to learn on their own how to fix it on their own in the first place. They expect those funny bubbly cute social media cops. Instead they get real patrol cops governed by the law. Because they did not get their way, “we look bad”. We enable learned helplessness like that. It is devastating and had cheapens police work and the law.

    Case in point... Some nosey bored caller calls us to report a strange person walking on the sidewalk in their neighborhood. No further details other than they never seen them before. Nothing criminal mentioned. Instead of telling that person NO, we are not going to that non criminal call, they dispatch us. When we get to the scene we see this person walking. Knowing full and well that no laws are being broken, we make contact. That leaves a bad taste in the mouth of that person. All while the caller looks through their blinds at the excitement they caused and now can talk and gossip about it for months. All while PUTTING US in the middle. The issue that could arise is this. Was that suspicious person detained? Were his rights violated? Will he sue? Will he hate cops? Will that person think its race based? Why do we take on the burden and liability for some dumb ass caller? Social media makes it too easy to call us. Like we can fix all problems. It does not show the delicate balance we must keep or risk losing or jobs, sued, or even arrested. Why do we fo this? Fear. Fear of complaints. They would rather us be put in a potential civil rights violation instead of telling a moron caller NO. We are not people friends. We are not what you see on fake social media. We can only do what the law says we can. We can not fix your problems that you CHOSE to get yourself into. Learn to help yourself. Stop sending us to absorb the liability. We can not fix everything. Stop enabling this. We are not everyones social media buddy.

    If you want social media from the police, then use it as a teaching tool. Use it to disseminate information on common Legal issues that can be avoided and how we are limited on certain things.

    AMEN to this post. We need social media campaign with several videos instructing people what LEOs can, and and can not due. PSA Video # 1 "Suspicious person." "When a person that you do not recognize is walking on the sidewalk, DO NOT call the Sheriff's Office to report them. They are not suspicious, they are 'unfamiliar.' "

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    Another example. If we can now get in trouble, video taped then sued, for arresting a protestor that is trespassing on the Tax Collectors Office, then why in the FUK do we get dispatched there? Stop sending us! Stop trying to make the caller happy. Stop being scared of complaints. Put it back on the law. Put it back on the lack of support for cops. Put it back on the caller.

    To the caller.. We can not go. Call your local and state government official and tell them all about it. Tell them you need the power to be given back to the police to do their jobs to protect you and your facility.

    This applies to most non criminal or non police supported calls. If we can not legally do anything, then why go? So we can be video taped in hopes we screw up and get sued? Why put the butden on us? All while the callers hide? To keep up with our cute call us for anything welcoming social media mentality crap? We need change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    It’s very strange how these New Age liberals are so afraid of social media. They feel left out if it’s not their pic in the selfie or if they aren’t highlighted in the agency’s Snapchat post of the day. Get with the modern times, you liberal sissies! The social media initiatives the sheriff has wisely created make things better for the rank and file deputies. The public gets to see agency members smiling and doing good things in the community every day. This is the kind of public relations that will pay huge dividends later. When one of you people screw up, the good will created by the social media work will cause the public and the news to give you the benefit of the doubt. Grow a brain and embrace the social media work being done on YOUR behalf. Every other agency in the nation has now embraced the sheriff’s idea for a proactive media program. If it wasn’t beneficial, then all the other agencies would not have jumped on board and copy catted the agency yet again. This is just the reality of the world in general and policing specifically. If you can’t support it, then please consider keeping your mouth shut about your opinion so you don’t ruin it for everyone else who supports the sheriff. There was a time when real cops had each other’s back and that includes having the back of the sheriff and the command staff as well. You are getting to participate in the advancement of law enforcement during the years of your career and you should be expressing pride and appreciation. Instead you’re acting like a bunch of little azzholes and trying to ruin things for everyone else because you don’t get to have your face in a selfie online. Get a damn life!
    You have it backwards idiot. Your post is liberal. YOU ARE THE LIBERAL. What we ask is conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Another example. If we can now get in trouble, video taped then sued, for arresting a protestor that is trespassing on the Tax Collectors Office, then why in the FUK do we get dispatched there? Stop sending us! Stop trying to make the caller happy. Stop being scared of complaints. Put it back on the law. Put it back on the lack of support for cops. Put it back on the caller.

    To the caller.. We can not go. Call your local and state government official and tell them all about it. Tell them you need the power to be given back to the police to do their jobs to protect you and your facility.

    This applies to most non criminal or non police supported calls. If we can not legally do anything, then why go? So we can be video taped in hopes we screw up and get sued? Why put the butden on us? All while the callers hide? To keep up with our cute call us for anything welcoming social media mentality crap? We need change.

    Like cases where people go into post offices or government buildings that are open to the public with cameras and openly peacefully video tape. The facility workers or managers tell them to stop recording and tell them to leave. When they refuse, out of anger, the police are called and demands are made of us. Again, by uninformed callers. The people with the cameras know this and do this to bait us to sue us. Again, we get pulled in the middle and take the liability of the caller. Then the cops get mad and things go south and turn into a civil right issue.

    My question is, WHY GO?

    In fact, why go to any call that we do not have A FULL BACKING OF THE LAW!? When we overstep our boundaries, we lose. These callers need to learn on their own or push for better laws. We need to stop trying to make everyone that calls happy. It can not be done in this line of work. The liberal social media platform does not fit this line of work. Police work should be conservative due to its very nature.

    The problem is there is literally no one that is willing to speak up and defend us from the very beginning.

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