MSD / Tamarac

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What about those CSPD officers who failed to check vitals instead calling their wives. How many kids could have been saved had they bent down and checked a pulse. False heroes.

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You fukking fukktards don’t know what you want or why you want it. You are mad when cops get arrested and want them to be exonerated but then call for other cops to be arrested based on your own ill informed conclusions. I realize that the 400+ page MSD report is about 399 pages longer than any book you have ever read and the BSO IA report doesn’t have enough pictures to keep you interested for more than 30 seconds. But try reading either one or both before you come on Leo Affairs and make a complete dipsh*t of yourself. Since it is clear that you, and many other mental midgets just like you, are incapable of reasonable thought, comprehension, and lack even a shred of common sense, I will try to help you. First off, no Coral Springs officer was on the campus when Cruz was firing his weapon. It’s what we in police work call an, “Active Shooter.” Even though CSPD was the only agency that initially knew where the victims were (all 911 calls went to CSPD), there was no definitive information that would have told them where the shooter was when they arrived. Without hearing shots or knowing where the shooter is, no one is going to blindly go running through a 40 acre campus. CSPD officers arrived at different parts of the school, from different directions, and received varying details that changed by the second. The BSO deps that arrived, all came from different directions and heard and saw different things as well. Some of that was transmitted on the radio, when the radio was functioning. The only intel they received was from Dep. Peterson that there was possibly a shooter at the school. One dep stopped northwest of the campus, about 1500 feet from the 1200 bldg. From his perspective, he was hearing shots near the football field. About a minute later, three other deps arrived due north of bldg 1200 in time to hear the final five shots. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE LAST STUDENT WAS SHOT 2 MIN BEFORE THOSE DEPS ARRIVED! They heard the final five shots and believed those shots were coming from the general area of the northwest section of the school. The shooter was shooting from the 3rd floor of bldg 1200 toward the west. Those deps had to get through the locked gate before they could proceed further. Before they even entered the campus, the shooter dropped his weapon on the third floor, and exited the building dressed as a high school student. Just prior to their entry, Dep. JS, at the suggestion of an unknown deputy on the radio, got back in his vehicle and went to take the overwatch position on the Sawgrass Expressway. This was a great idea and absolutely a tactical necessity. However, it was an assignment that should have been taken by a responding deputy, not one that had just witnessed gunshots. That being said, JS may have made a bad choice but certainly violated no policy and does not deserve to be fired. His action harmed no one and he would not have been able to prevent anyone from being shot. Dep. EE will also get his job back. He also could have made a different choice as to where he responded to. But did nothing to warrant being disciplined. The two deps that did enter the school went to the location where they believed the gunshots had come from in an effort to locate the shooter. What they found was a wounded student in the parking lot and a deceased adult, outside of bldg 1200. What they did not find was an active shooter! At that moment, numerous CSPD officer ran up accompanied by more BSO deps. While there was very little verbal communication between them, they worked to secure the area and help the injured. At the same time, several other deps and CSPD officers began removing injured students from the east end of bldg 1200. CSPD did a great job. It’s just sad that the old chief and some spineless d-Bags working there, made up stories about deps standing around. Sure there were plenty of deps standing around. There were many more dressed in blue taking cover right next to them. Fact is, those deps and cops did not hear shots. They all did the best they could under the circumstances. It was chaotic, it was horrific, it was confusing, it was a straight up cluster f*ck with real dead kids and adults. If you were not there, you will never understand and are foolish to judge. It is very easy to make the mistake of analyzing this event in reverse, starting with 17 dead people. With the benefit of hindsight, all the time in the world, and shoulda, woulda, coulda. I have seen many experienced, long time, tough guy cops, shart the bed in Active Shooter TRAINING. You know, with no bullets, low adrenaline, no consequences, and opportunities for do-overs. Lastly, try not to forget the human factor. Not everyone thinks, acts, performs, or deals with stress the same way. So before you judge, understand that every cop will have a different perspective and act with the best intentions when the crap hits the fan. However, every one of them won’t immediately make the perfect decision, every time. You’ve been fed a bunch of crap from the MSD commission, some victim’s parents, and of course the media, who have made up their own stories. Your stupidity may not be correctable, but I hope I’ve cleared up some of your confusion.

To your point, no one should have been disciplined for MSD. The Tamarac deps did there jobs and should also be exonerated and put back to work. The dep who ***** slapped the the dude in the hospital also did his job and will be acquitted.

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Let me educate people about the current active shooter policy.

Back in the dark ages, street cops used to run in and engage shooters, hostage takers and felons. In a large number of cases, the officer was killed, or seriously wounded, hostages were injured or killed [by LEOs] and dangerous felons were allowed to escape to continue victimizing the populous. So, protocols were established to protect the community. These were to secure the perimeter so that a dangerous, violent felon would not escape into the community. Then, an entry team was assembled to make an orderly, coordinated entry to locate and neutralize the dangerous felon. As the scene was cleared, then support personnel could enter and tend to the injured. While, charging in may, that is MAY, save lives, this is not assured. And, it can, and often does, end in undesirable consequences.

This was the protocol in place in 2000, at Columbine HS. However, at Columbine, a scapegoat, other than the perpetrators, had to be found. So, to avoid being crucified, more than he was, the Sheriff changed the response protocol in such a way that, as long as LEOs charged in and died, public anger will be assuaged. The protocol is largely a PR stunt. If the shooter escapes, the LEOs are at fault. If a LE round inadvertently strikes an innocent person, the LEOs are at fault. If the shooter overcomes the single LEO, the LEO is dead. Even if the LEO fails to neutralize the shooter and is dead, the LEO can be cast as a failed hero by the LEA. And, even if the LEO is successful and neutralizes the shooter, the LEA still ends up getting blamed somehow. The whole point is that our society now demands that someone other than the criminal must be held accountable for the criminal's actions and it is almost always the LEA and individual LEOs.

Here is the reality of these hostage shooting incidents. Every hostage is essentially a casualty, from the moment that the shooter enters the scene. That is reality. There is no way for responding units to save everyone or even any particular person. The number one priority for responding LEOs is to neutralize the threat that shooter represents to the community at large.

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What about those CSPD officers who failed to check vitals instead calling their wives. How many kids could have been saved had they bent down and checked a pulse. False heroes.

That's messed up. So they gotta reach out to the skank at home. What's the purpose? To gain confirmation from some fat ass sitting at home watching Oprah?