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    If you don’t like it then maybe you should quit. Ps nobody gives a sh!t what you like or what you think.
    Another attempt to derail the thread huh? How about this.....

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    Another attempt to derail the thread huh? How about this.....
    ...The three posts prior to the last one are very good. You all touched on something this agency seems to knows nothing about based on my own observations and the observations of others... Motivation. The agency tries to motivate with pay, benefits, and new equipment. It looks good on paper and it makes you want to apply to work here. However, that is not what keeps deputies from quitting as time passes. They are important factors, but only as a basis for applying and to draw young applicants, but not what motivates deputies to stay here. Goals, accomplishments, and treatment are what eventually takes precedence. People go through phases as they grow as an employee, as a person, AND ESPECIALLY AS A COP. Typical human behavior. Cost vs reward. Negative vs positive. We leave the negative and are attracted to the positive. A 20 year old rookie will put themselves second and tolerate far more than when he or she evolves into being an older experienced husband, wife, father, mother, caregiver, and a person that realizes that its not all about money after going through a few life changing events and loses. This job has default and underlying stressors as it is. We could get killed, hurt, and so on. I get it. We signed on for that. It is actually tolerable for a certain amount of time under certain conditions. This agency has not provided those conditions. As we grow here, we realize that this job is made far far worse than it should be by INTERNAL bureaucracy issues and we realize that it can not be maintained for the duration of the career, so we leave. The MAJOR issue regarding this is that there are no systems in place to prevent this or burnout. Once patrol is mastered, we should be rotated out and replaced. Not left there. 90% of patrol is made intolerable by the agency itself, not the calls or citizens. If we cant resign due to realizing it is too late in life and being in debt, we burn out. Deputies all have expirations dates. There needs to be a massive rebuilding in how police officers are managed. The problems officers have with citizens, the stigma that police have about being mean, angry, in a hurry, not caring, and want to hurt people, police being known to die young, suicide, murder suicides, substance abuse, those things all start with A LACK of proactive care for the mental health of police officers from the day they get hired. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with EAP and talking to some LMHC. By then the damage is too far gone and is reactive. Those LMHC know nothing about being a cop. How about prevent EAP all along? Do you really think 30 years on patrol is ok? A critically shorthanded position used as a punishment and dumping ground. Is something simple like working a zone alone for months, that requires three deputies, ok? It cant be fixed with more pay and equipment. Just like a marriage cant be fixed with new a new car, diamonds, and jewelry if you are a neglectful emotionally abusive husband that has nothing positive to say. Shinny new things can not fix bad leadership and negative reenforcement being managed my negative feedback only. We all walk on egg shells all day here. Just the feeling of working here is not right. We all know the feeling. That feeling is why people quit. Its that simple. When your phone rings or text goes off and its from a supervisor, how do you feel? How do you feel walking in to roll call? Anxiety? When was the last time anything positive was mentioned in roll call or a meeting? Have you or anybody you work with ever been pulled aside and a strength of of was discussed for use towards a transfer. Why are the politicly connected pulled from patrol so fast and put into mentally sustainable positions? Basically protected. Moral is dead because there is no motivation here for the regular deputies and detectives. No positive reinforcement that I see. There is no way to shine above the rest. The harder and faster you work, the more behind you get and become a ghost. It is nearly impossible to progress and goals are practically unobtainable. This is why we get angry when less qualified deputies with less experience get the transfers and promotions based on DIVERSITY. Let me be clear. The anger does not stem from anything racist or sexist or against diversity. It comes from unfairness. Why is the anger so intense? Because we see those transfers as ways out of miserable positions. Its that simple. So at a minimum, make patrol better, tolerable, and sustainable. We need to stop bending over for other agencies like the MEO, FHP, HCAS, and so on. Otherwise hard working deputies will quit once they realize that they are not diverse enough to transfer out of the negativity and that patrol can not be sustained for 30 years. It doesn't get more simple than that. If our leaders do not understand the very basic needs of human beings, then we are in far more trouble than we know.

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    ...The three posts prior to the last one are very good. You all touched on something this agency seems to knows nothing about based on my own observations and the observations of others... Motivation. The agency tries to motivate with pay, benefits, and new equipment. It looks good on paper and it makes you want to apply to work here. However, that is not what keeps deputies from quitting as time passes. They are important factors, but only as a basis for applying and to draw young applicants, but not what motivates deputies to stay here. Goals, accomplishments, and treatment are what eventually takes precedence. People go through phases as they grow as an employee, as a person, AND ESPECIALLY AS A COP. Typical human behavior. Cost vs reward. Negative vs positive. We leave the negative and are attracted to the positive. A 20 year old rookie will put themselves second and tolerate far more than when he or she evolves into being an older experienced husband, wife, father, mother, caregiver, and a person that realizes that its not all about money after going through a few life changing events and loses. This job has default and underlying stressors as it is. We could get killed, hurt, and so on. I get it. We signed on for that. It is actually tolerable for a certain amount of time under certain conditions. This agency has not provided those conditions. As we grow here, we realize that this job is made far far worse than it should be by INTERNAL bureaucracy issues and we realize that it can not be maintained for the duration of the career, so we leave. The MAJOR issue regarding this is that there are no systems in place to prevent this or burnout. Once patrol is mastered, we should be rotated out and replaced. Not left there. 90% of patrol is made intolerable by the agency itself, not the calls or citizens. If we cant resign due to realizing it is too late in life and being in debt, we burn out. Deputies all have expirations dates. There needs to be a massive rebuilding in how police officers are managed. The problems officers have with citizens, the stigma that police have about being mean, angry, in a hurry, not caring, and want to hurt people, police being known to die young, suicide, murder suicides, substance abuse, those things all start with A LACK of proactive care for the mental health of police officers from the day they get hired. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with EAP and talking to some LMHC. By then the damage is too far gone and is reactive. Those LMHC know nothing about being a cop. How about prevent EAP all along? Do you really think 30 years on patrol is ok? A critically shorthanded position used as a punishment and dumping ground. Is something simple like working a zone alone for months, that requires three deputies, ok? It cant be fixed with more pay and equipment. Just like a marriage cant be fixed with new a new car, diamonds, and jewelry if you are a neglectful emotionally abusive husband that has nothing positive to say. Shinny new things can not fix bad leadership and negative reenforcement being managed my negative feedback only. We all walk on egg shells all day here. Just the feeling of working here is not right. We all know the feeling. That feeling is why people quit. Its that simple. When your phone rings or text goes off and its from a supervisor, how do you feel? How do you feel walking in to roll call? Anxiety? When was the last time anything positive was mentioned in roll call or a meeting? Have you or anybody you work with ever been pulled aside and a strength of of was discussed for use towards a transfer. Why are the politicly connected pulled from patrol so fast and put into mentally sustainable positions? Basically protected. Moral is dead because there is no motivation here for the regular deputies and detectives. No positive reinforcement that I see. There is no way to shine above the rest. The harder and faster you work, the more behind you get and become a ghost. It is nearly impossible to progress and goals are practically unobtainable. This is why we get angry when less qualified deputies with less experience get the transfers and promotions based on DIVERSITY. Let me be clear. The anger does not stem from anything racist or sexist or against diversity. It comes from unfairness. Why is the anger so intense? Because we see those transfers as ways out of miserable positions. Its that simple. So at a minimum, make patrol better, tolerable, and sustainable. We need to stop bending over for other agencies like the MEO, FHP, HCAS, and so on. Otherwise hard working deputies will quit once they realize that they are not diverse enough to transfer out of the negativity and that patrol can not be sustained for 30 years. It doesn't get more simple than that. If our leaders do not understand the very basic needs of human beings, then we are in far more trouble than we know.


    Excellent post! With the exception that paragraphs are needed.

    MPGA!!!

    Make
    Patrol
    Great
    Again
    !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    ...The three posts prior to the last one are very good. You all touched on something this agency seems to knows nothing about based on my own observations and the observations of others... Motivation. The agency tries to motivate with pay, benefits, and new equipment. It looks good on paper and it makes you want to apply to work here. However, that is not what keeps deputies from quitting as time passes. They are important factors, but only as a basis for applying and to draw young applicants, but not what motivates deputies to stay here. Goals, accomplishments, and treatment are what eventually takes precedence. People go through phases as they grow as an employee, as a person, AND ESPECIALLY AS A COP. Typical human behavior. Cost vs reward. Negative vs positive. We leave the negative and are attracted to the positive. A 20 year old rookie will put themselves second and tolerate far more than when he or she evolves into being an older experienced husband, wife, father, mother, caregiver, and a person that realizes that its not all about money after going through a few life changing events and loses. This job has default and underlying stressors as it is. We could get killed, hurt, and so on. I get it. We signed on for that. It is actually tolerable for a certain amount of time under certain conditions. This agency has not provided those conditions. As we grow here, we realize that this job is made far far worse than it should be by INTERNAL bureaucracy issues and we realize that it can not be maintained for the duration of the career, so we leave. The MAJOR issue regarding this is that there are no systems in place to prevent this or burnout. Once patrol is mastered, we should be rotated out and replaced. Not left there. 90% of patrol is made intolerable by the agency itself, not the calls or citizens. If we cant resign due to realizing it is too late in life and being in debt, we burn out. Deputies all have expirations dates. There needs to be a massive rebuilding in how police officers are managed. The problems officers have with citizens, the stigma that police have about being mean, angry, in a hurry, not caring, and want to hurt people, police being known to die young, suicide, murder suicides, substance abuse, those things all start with A LACK of proactive care for the mental health of police officers from the day they get hired. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with EAP and talking to some LMHC. By then the damage is too far gone and is reactive. Those LMHC know nothing about being a cop. How about prevent EAP all along? Do you really think 30 years on patrol is ok? A critically shorthanded position used as a punishment and dumping ground. Is something simple like working a zone alone for months, that requires three deputies, ok? It cant be fixed with more pay and equipment. Just like a marriage cant be fixed with new a new car, diamonds, and jewelry if you are a neglectful emotionally abusive husband that has nothing positive to say. Shinny new things can not fix bad leadership and negative reenforcement being managed my negative feedback only. We all walk on egg shells all day here. Just the feeling of working here is not right. We all know the feeling. That feeling is why people quit. Its that simple. When your phone rings or text goes off and its from a supervisor, how do you feel? How do you feel walking in to roll call? Anxiety? When was the last time anything positive was mentioned in roll call or a meeting? Have you or anybody you work with ever been pulled aside and a strength of of was discussed for use towards a transfer. Why are the politicly connected pulled from patrol so fast and put into mentally sustainable positions? Basically protected. Moral is dead because there is no motivation here for the regular deputies and detectives. No positive reinforcement that I see. There is no way to shine above the rest. The harder and faster you work, the more behind you get and become a ghost. It is nearly impossible to progress and goals are practically unobtainable. This is why we get angry when less qualified deputies with less experience get the transfers and promotions based on DIVERSITY. Let me be clear. The anger does not stem from anything racist or sexist or against diversity. It comes from unfairness. Why is the anger so intense? Because we see those transfers as ways out of miserable positions. Its that simple. So at a minimum, make patrol better, tolerable, and sustainable. We need to stop bending over for other agencies like the MEO, FHP, HCAS, and so on. Otherwise hard working deputies will quit once they realize that they are not diverse enough to transfer out of the negativity and that patrol can not be sustained for 30 years. It doesn't get more simple than that. If our leaders do not understand the very basic needs of human beings, then we are in far more trouble than we know.
    Thank you for taking the time to write this. It will be the topic of discussion at the next command staff meeting, but only if there is enough time to do some in-depth research to enact your ideas and address your concerns. Please contact Sheriff Chronister’s office directly at your earliest convenience so a meeting can be scheduled. This manifesto will be the impetus for sweeping changes throughout the agency and perhaps even law enforcement of a global scale. Sadly, the agency will likely lose you as an asset because the demand for you to give speeches will be too much. Also, you will be needed as a consultant at other agencies. It’ll be rough to lose you but it’ll be for the greater good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    ...The three posts prior to the last one are very good. You all touched on something this agency seems to knows nothing about based on my own observations and the observations of others... Motivation. The agency tries to motivate with pay, benefits, and new equipment. It looks good on paper and it makes you want to apply to work here. However, that is not what keeps deputies from quitting as time passes. They are important factors, but only as a basis for applying and to draw young applicants, but not what motivates deputies to stay here. Goals, accomplishments, and treatment are what eventually takes precedence. People go through phases as they grow as an employee, as a person, AND ESPECIALLY AS A COP. Typical human behavior. Cost vs reward. Negative vs positive. We leave the negative and are attracted to the positive. A 20 year old rookie will put themselves second and tolerate far more than when he or she evolves into being an older experienced husband, wife, father, mother, caregiver, and a person that realizes that its not all about money after going through a few life changing events and loses. This job has default and underlying stressors as it is. We could get killed, hurt, and so on. I get it. We signed on for that. It is actually tolerable for a certain amount of time under certain conditions. This agency has not provided those conditions. As we grow here, we realize that this job is made far far worse than it should be by INTERNAL bureaucracy issues and we realize that it can not be maintained for the duration of the career, so we leave. The MAJOR issue regarding this is that there are no systems in place to prevent this or burnout. Once patrol is mastered, we should be rotated out and replaced. Not left there. 90% of patrol is made intolerable by the agency itself, not the calls or citizens. If we cant resign due to realizing it is too late in life and being in debt, we burn out. Deputies all have expirations dates. There needs to be a massive rebuilding in how police officers are managed. The problems officers have with citizens, the stigma that police have about being mean, angry, in a hurry, not caring, and want to hurt people, police being known to die young, suicide, murder suicides, substance abuse, those things all start with A LACK of proactive care for the mental health of police officers from the day they get hired. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with EAP and talking to some LMHC. By then the damage is too far gone and is reactive. Those LMHC know nothing about being a cop. How about prevent EAP all along? Do you really think 30 years on patrol is ok? A critically shorthanded position used as a punishment and dumping ground. Is something simple like working a zone alone for months, that requires three deputies, ok? It cant be fixed with more pay and equipment. Just like a marriage cant be fixed with new a new car, diamonds, and jewelry if you are a neglectful emotionally abusive husband that has nothing positive to say. Shinny new things can not fix bad leadership and negative reenforcement being managed my negative feedback only. We all walk on egg shells all day here. Just the feeling of working here is not right. We all know the feeling. That feeling is why people quit. Its that simple. When your phone rings or text goes off and its from a supervisor, how do you feel? How do you feel walking in to roll call? Anxiety? When was the last time anything positive was mentioned in roll call or a meeting? Have you or anybody you work with ever been pulled aside and a strength of of was discussed for use towards a transfer. Why are the politicly connected pulled from patrol so fast and put into mentally sustainable positions? Basically protected. Moral is dead because there is no motivation here for the regular deputies and detectives. No positive reinforcement that I see. There is no way to shine above the rest. The harder and faster you work, the more behind you get and become a ghost. It is nearly impossible to progress and goals are practically unobtainable. This is why we get angry when less qualified deputies with less experience get the transfers and promotions based on DIVERSITY. Let me be clear. The anger does not stem from anything racist or sexist or against diversity. It comes from unfairness. Why is the anger so intense? Because we see those transfers as ways out of miserable positions. Its that simple. So at a minimum, make patrol better, tolerable, and sustainable. We need to stop bending over for other agencies like the MEO, FHP, HCAS, and so on. Otherwise hard working deputies will quit once they realize that they are not diverse enough to transfer out of the negativity and that patrol can not be sustained for 30 years. It doesn't get more simple than that. If our leaders do not understand the very basic needs of human beings, then we are in far more trouble than we know.
    Haaaa you’re so EMO bro. I love that you spent so much time composing that to entertain me.

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    Haaaa you’re so EMO bro. I love that you spent so much time composing that to entertain me.
    You're welcome!






    You're also insane if you think these posts don't matter to the brass. We're already seeing changes being made, based upon some of these biitching posts.

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    Thank you for taking the time to write this. It will be the topic of discussion at the next command staff meeting, but only if there is enough time to do some in-depth research to enact your ideas and address your concerns. Please contact Sheriff Chronister’s office directly at your earliest convenience so a meeting can be scheduled. This manifesto will be the impetus for sweeping changes throughout the agency and perhaps even law enforcement of a global scale. Sadly, the agency will likely lose you as an asset because the demand for you to give speeches will be too much. Also, you will be needed as a consultant at other agencies. It’ll be rough to lose you but it’ll be for the greater good.
    Cute. That was not my intention. They already know about the stuff mentioned in the post. Its common sense. They just don't care to act on it. I posted it so others can identify. Sure, those are all common problems in the workplace. However, if we as cops are held to much higher standards than the common workplace employees and we get punished so hard for things the common private sector worker would get a slap on the wrist for, then why the hell do we not hold our law enforcement employers to that same higher standard???? This is not the private sector. What we offer is of a much higher importance, so why treat us the same? If we are the keepers of peace, the defenders of justice, what separates chaos and anarchy from peace, and all that jazz, then why not spare us from the common workplace stress and politics. Why not stick up for us to other agencies and from our own departments, to do their own jobs. That is what I have noticed and why deputies are quitting. They don't feel protected and see no end to the over exposure. Fix that and you fix 95% of issues with this job which gets reflected back on the citizens.. Motivation is easy and cheep. It can be done you just have to care. Remember that the truth is civil and can be relayed without insults and being told to quit. Even iron fist Docobo who destroyed many careers even cared for his son by pulling him off patrol within a year. Why? To spare him from what we speak of here. It can be done. It just has to be extended to all of us. Not just the certain few.

    Remember that just because a man has the newest nicest cars, boat, pool, big grill, big house, and nicest furniture in his neighborhood, doesn't mean he is not a terrible father, husband, or person. A real man with a good heart knows how to care for his family and keep them happy. Regardless of how much he spends. Try to redefine what you believe a “progressive” agency is. A big spender that competes with other agencies, neighbors? Or one that puts its family first. After all, whats that saying everyone falsely throws around? “We are all family here”. Ask all those that have resigned over the past few years if they felt this was a family.

    Notice I never mention anyone in particular as the problem. Not even the sheriff. The problem is a collective toxic paradigm that is deeply set in and can not be changed by just one or two leaders. It takes the entire village.

    Also, a simple paragraph is a “manifesto”? Interesting...

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    You're welcome!






    You're also insane if you think these posts don't matter to the brass. We're already seeing changes being made, based upon some of these biitching posts.
    Good! Those douch-bags needed to be prodded! To bad it wasn’t with a cattle prod!

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    A paragraph?! And the Grand Canyon is a little hole in the ground. Your lengthy post indicates you are over-invested in your job. Because of this, every little annoyance becomes a tragedy and you become enraged over the small stuff. Well, it should be small stuff relative to your life as a whole. Perhaps you need a hobby to keep your job in proper perspective. If it’s dominating your life, I would encourage you to seek help through the EAP program. The sheriff has gone above and beyond to make sure support is available to employees who are unstable. There’s no shame in asking for help. Make the call before you hurt yourself or someone else.

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    Haaaa you’re so EMO bro. I love that you spent so much time composing that to entertain me.
    Your douch-bag #1.

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