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  1. #21
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    In spite presented with irrefutable evidence to the contrary, "As a dog returns to its vomit, so [a fool] repeat [his] folly." Proverbs 26:11
    Your exegetical interpretation and hermeneutical application of that scripture is in gross error. You've been ripped off by whatever theological program that you are a graduate of.

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    Arguing with you is akin to arguing with a rock. The County Commission is powerless to do anything about the soon to be elected Miami-Dade County Sheriff.

    Yes; like now, the M-D Commission has the legislative authority to reduce the Sheriff's requested budget; the Sheriff has the sovereignty to appeal such decision to the State of Florida Administration Commission (a). That is among the most significant differences between the appointed, politically subservient director and the elected Sheriff. We are arguing with you no more.

    South of Miami-Dade County the Monroe County Sheriff operates a fully authorized Law Enforcement Operation. West of Miami-Dade, likewise does Collier County Sheriff and north of Miami-Dade, the same is true for Broward and the other 63 elected County Sheriffs. Your argument is so vacuous, that is like arguing with a person who obstinately adheres to the premise the sun rises on the western horizon and sets on the east.

    You now what pal? Whatever! When Miami-Dade's voters elect their Sheriff and he or she assumes his/her Constitutional command, we shall see whether you are correct or not. In the interim, keep looking for the sun to rise on the western horizon and let us know when it does.

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...s/0030.49.html

    Pay the idiot no mind.

    This is but a desperate attempt to "Sherry Pick" statutory passages out of context in order to justify and unjustifiable and capricious idea.

    Let the fool spend his/her energy on that pipe dream and allow reality to do its own work.

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    Florida law stipulate that a sheriff is only required to provide two statutory functions:
    1. Serve civil process
    2. Attend every court session in Miami Dade County.
    Source: FSS 30.15 http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...s/0030.15.html

    At the discretion of the Miami Dade commissioners, the word "sheriff" may be removed from all MDPD equipment and replaced with "police." The MDPD director may remain in charge of MDPD, while the elected sheriff is funded and tasked with operating his statutorily defined functions.
    No one has said that the Miami Dade County commissioners will invoke their legal right to limit the newly elected sheriff to his statutorily defined requirements of civil process (serving papers) and court security (bailiffs)… but conversely… they have that legal option... and if they invoke it, then no one can overcome it in a court of law.

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    Thumbs up The return of “politics and policing” to Miami Dade County

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    • There are 67 counties in Florida.
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    • Miami Dade constituents voted to have the Miami Dade sheriff appointed, instead of elected. Miami Dade voters are not stupid for doing that.
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    • However, the other 66 counties voted that all Florida counties must have an elected sheriff. Thus statewide voters took away Miami Dade's voters right. Nonetheless, Miami Dade county commissioners can choose to fund the newly elected sheriff to only operate civil process (papers and warrants) and court security (bailiffs).
    PREDICTION: The newly elected Miami Dade sheriff will be a magnet for “politics and policing,” which is exactly why Miami Dade voters abolished it in 1957 and replaced it with a police department that is governed by an appointed director (chief). Just look to the immediate north to see a present day “politics and policing” fiasco where the elected Broward sheriff is currently suspended without pay.

    "Politics and policing" is returning to Miami Dade County, against the wishes of Miami Dade voters. Elected sheriffs are excellent for rural counties, but not for heavily urbanized areas, which is why Miami Dade voters got rid of “politics and policing.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    No one has said that the Miami Dade County commissioners will invoke their legal right to limit the newly elected sheriff to his statutorily defined requirements of civil process (serving papers) and court security (bailiffs)… [Yes you have; on several previous postings, and no M-D County Commission cannot.]

    but conversely… they have that legal option... and if they invoke it, then no one can overcome it in a court of law.
    Yes you have; on several previous postings, and no M-D County Commission cannot. [No they do not, read below.]

    Mark Twain once wrote: “Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.”

    True, but the elected Sheriff is such an important issue for the effective deliverance of Law Enforcement services in Miami-Dade County, one must argue with an imbecile; if for no other reason than to illustrate to other readers his doltish position.

    Amendment 10 was a Florida Constitutional questions posed to voters; statewide to once and for all codify into law what is already there now. Principally, “that a county charter may not abolish the office of a sheriff, a tax collector, a property appraiser, a supervisor of elections, or a clerk of the circuit court; transfer the duties of those officers to another officer or office; change the length of the four-year term of office; or establish any manner of selection other than by election by the electors of the county. See Florida Constitution, ARTICLE VIII LOCAL GOVERNMENT SECTION 1. Counties.

    In other words, Miami-Dade County Commission cannot, by legislation pass an ordinance that will conflicts with Florida’s Constitution. That is why Amendment 10 came about. Since 1967, Miami-Dade government, by virtue of its Home Rule Charter, has operated in conflict with Florida’s Constitution. No more, Amendment 10 put a stop to it.

    Whether Miami-Dade Sheriff is elected on 2020, during the Presidential Election, which we favor or in 2024, which we do not, the winner shall have all the Law Enforcement powers Sheriffs have in all Florida 67 Counties. Then you can either vote for that person or not, your prerogative. What is a fact is that Miami-Dade Law Enforcement will be provided by a Sheriff. We hope the newly elected sheriff; in utter jubilation, will not breakdance in front of the Fred Taylor Building as the current, politically appointed and subservient police director did. It was unseemly!

    Open the below links and learn:

    https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Amen...endment_(2018)

    http://results.enr.clarityelections....eb02.222611/#/

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...ubmenu=3#A8S01

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    The elected Miami Dade sheriff was abolished several decades ago, due to pernicious political corruption.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    • There are 67 counties in Florida.
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    • Miami Dade constituents voted to have the Miami Dade sheriff appointed, instead of elected. Miami Dade voters are not stupid for doing that.
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    • However, the other 66 counties voted that all Florida counties must have an elected sheriff. Thus statewide voters took away Miami Dade's voters right. Nonetheless, Miami Dade county commissioners can choose to fund the newly elected sheriff to only operate civil process (papers and warrants) and court security (bailiffs).
    The statewide Constitutional amendment overrides the will of the people in Miami Dade County.

    Having an elected sheriff sounds good in theory, but in practice, it is disastrous, especially for large agencies. It frequently leads to indictments and suspensions of sheriffs, to forcibly remove their hands from the cookie jar. It happened here several decades ago, which is why Miami Dade voters got rid of the elected sheriff -- and it's happening right now in Broward County, with the suspension of their sheriff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    • There are 67 counties in Florida.
      .
    • Miami Dade constituents voted to have the Miami Dade sheriff appointed, instead of elected. Miami Dade voters are not stupid for doing that.
      .
    • However, the other 66 counties voted that all Florida counties must have an elected sheriff. Thus statewide voters took away Miami Dade's voters right. Nonetheless, Miami Dade county commissioners can choose to fund the newly elected sheriff to only operate civil process (papers and warrants) and court security (bailiffs).
    58.04% of Miami-Dade voters voted yes for Amendment 10. It was Miami-Dade's will, not just the rest of the state.


    http://results.enr.clarityelections....3/Web02.222611

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Having an elected sheriff sounds good in theory, but in practice, it is disastrous, especially for large agencies. It frequently leads to indictments and suspensions of sheriffs, to forcibly remove their hands from the cookie jar.
    The former elected Miami Dade sheriff was abolished several decades ago, due to corruption and politics, but maybe things will be magically different this time? Maybe the former corruption was anomalous? And maybe Broward County's suspended sheriff is just an anomaly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    The statewide Constitutional amendment overrides the will of the people in Miami Dade County.

    Having an elected sheriff sounds good in theory, but in practice, it is disastrous, especially for large agencies. It frequently leads to indictments and suspensions of sheriffs, to forcibly remove their hands from the cookie jar. It happened here several decades ago, which is why Miami Dade voters got rid of the elected sheriff -- and it's happening right now in Broward County, with the suspension of their sheriff.
    1967 County voters chose to do away with the Sheriff, because of corruption; mostly if not all, connected to illegal Organized Crime gambling. In 2013, the so called "maquinitas," previously ubiquitous in all Dade County; mostly in the City of Miami, Hialeah, were declared gambling instruments and illegal by state statute FSS 849.16, penalties FSS 849.23.
    Why then, does Miami-Dade County "de facto" sheriff allows the City of Hialeah to ignore State Statute and permit "maquinitas" to operate in Hialeah with impunity? Corruption and who benefits? In the early 1990, the FBI brought down a gang of corrupt MDPD cops, led by soiled division chief Roberto Gonzalez, for ripping off millions from drug dealers. Corruption? Since 1967 MDPD has been rocked by various, similar police corruption cases, so has been the judiciary and the political class. Corruption, like cancer, is a malignant cell most people have in them. It only take the erroneous perception that one may get away with it, to prompt its metastasizing.

    What happened in Broward is a litany of errors, from a coward who failed to go in harm's way toward the sound of gunfire, as recommended by Active Shooter protocols since Columbine. To a sheriff oblivious to the threat mentally ill persons pose to society. According to CNN, from 2010 - 2017, police responded to Cruz' house 39 times and obviously did nothing. What do you think would have happened to MDPD's director had that massacre taken place in Miami-Dade? Corruption? No, ineptitude! In response, Juan Perez created the Rapid Response Team, failing to realize that by the time these folks arrive at the scene, the active shooter is already in the venue getting ready to kill or has already killed. That you know, what preemptive, proactive strategy has Juan Perez implemented to thwart the violence prone mentally ill person from becoming an active shooter? If none, corruption? No, ineptitude!

    We are not in 1967, today, there are redundant rings of intervention at the State and Federal Law Enforcement levels, but most importantly, voters will not allow it, as they are better informed. Example, "on March 16, 2011, Miami-Dade County Mayor Carlos Alvarez was booted from office in the largest recall of a local politician. The result was never in question: 88 percent of those who turned out voted for his ouster." Moral, when elected officers failed their constituents, voters fire them.

    https://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...orida-law.html

    https://www.history.com/topics/1990s...hool-shootings

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/land...ry?id=13148353

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    The former elected Miami Dade sheriff was abolished several decades ago, due to corruption and politics, but maybe things will be magically different this time? Maybe the former corruption was anomalous? And maybe Broward County's suspended sheriff is just an anomaly?
    It is impossible for an elected Miami Dade sheriff to be influenced by politics, corruption and graft. An elected sheriff has no incentive to give things away to the highest financial and political bidder, just for electoral support. It never happens with elected law enforcement officials. LOL Seriously and coming back to reality, the next 30-50 years is going to be a bumpity ride with greased handshakes (behind closed doors).

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