Reactions to MSD Report

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Unfortunately the Sgt. On scene wanted nothing to do with this massacre, Incompetent and Scared one of the two or both?

Time tells the truth; and if there's ever an honest and straightforward response, it may surprise you. When there are eight "cowards" that should be a big clue that there's more going on. Take a random sample of eight civilians. At least one will go in.

Imagine working in a district that is so focused on appearances that the fear of being shot is secondary to the fear of making a mistake that could potentially result in the media reporting something similar to the airport response.

When you reinforce denial, avoidance, denial, avoidance, denial, avoidance, day in and day out for years, the end result will be deputies standing at a perimeter of a catastrophic scene saying, "Is this really happening? This can't be happening. This doesn't happen here. What if I "F" this up? Oh, the body camera..."I'm gonna wait to see what everyone else does. I guess if everyone else is standing out here, I should to." Listen to the assumptions on the radio. " I have the gunshot "VICTIM"

Peterson should have told the truth. It is evident from the tape that he experienced a full blown panic attack and almost from the get go was unable to prioritize or organize his thoughts. He needed to be relieved as commander, and responder, almost immediately.

At the end of the day, the Sergeant and deputies are responsible for their inaction and they will live with that everyday. You can sum this up as cowardice and learn nothing from it, but if you do, don't stop there. There are deputies in other districts and retired deputies who have worked in that "quiet" district who know how D17,the commission and the schools operate to make problems go away. Road deputies don't stick their nose in school business, and no, sorry, the SRD's are not "supervised." You can't defend the eight for their lack of performance on Feb 14, but other LE could and should provide some information from a cultural standpoint that could prevent this tragedy from repeating itself in another district.

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Time tells the truth; and if there's ever an honest and straightforward response, it may surprise you. When there are eight "cowards" that should be a big clue that there's more going on. Take a random sample of eight civilians. At least one will go in.

Imagine working in a district that is so focused on appearances that the fear of being shot is secondary to the fear of making a mistake that could potentially result in the media reporting something similar to the airport response.

When you reinforce denial, avoidance, denial, avoidance, denial, avoidance, day in and day out for years, the end result will be deputies standing at a perimeter of a catastrophic scene saying, "Is this really happening? This can't be happening. This doesn't happen here. What if I "F" this up? Oh, the body camera..."I'm gonna wait to see what everyone else does. I guess if everyone else is standing out here, I should to." Listen to the assumptions on the radio. " I have the gunshot "VICTIM"

Peterson should have told the truth. It is evident from the tape that he experienced a full blown panic attack and almost from the get go was unable to prioritize or organize his thoughts. He needed to be relieved as commander, and responder, almost immediately.

At the end of the day, the Sergeant and deputies are responsible for their inaction and they will live with that everyday. You can sum this up as cowardice and learn nothing from it, but if you do, don't stop there. There are deputies in other districts and retired deputies who have worked in that "quiet" district who know how D17,the commission and the schools operate to make problems go away. Road deputies don't stick their nose in school business, and no, sorry, the SRD's are not "supervised." You can't defend the eight for their lack of performance on Feb 14, but other LE could and should provide some information from a cultural standpoint that could prevent this tragedy from repeating itself in another district.

Go to 1:15, this saiz it all as to the current mindset instilled into BSO deputies under the Sheriff...

https://youtu.be/fbG-KthzxrQ

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No one knows how they will react in a active shooting situation.

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Go to 1:15, this saiz it all as to the current mindset instilled into BSO deputies under the Sheriff...

https://youtu.be/fbG-KthzxrQ

What a f’in joke at the time when mumbles gave that interview and a bigger F’in joke now.

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So you want a captain and a team to respond to an active shooter to handle the incident command? The shooting at MSD was over within three minutes and tenty-one seconds. Who really cares if there was a declared incident commander or not. If a Deputy would have got their ass into the camera room immediately, instead of relying on a school board employee to monitor/review the video, the entire event would have ended sooner than it did. Even still, no less kids would have been shot. Shouldn’t the District captain be experienced and trained and competent enough before they are knighted to the rank of captain? There are sergeants who could have managed that scene just fine. The rest of your proposed incident command team would not have even made it out of the PSB by the time the incident was over. Then you want QRF to deploy? That’s what SWAT does already. Even they took at least 20 minutes for the first SWAT guy to get there. Just wearing fancy green pajamas does not give you the ability to magically find the shooter once he stops shooting. I suppose 20 or 30 deputies could started clearing the campus instead of waiting for SWAT. But then we’d need a new policy. Everyone knows that in an active killer, you go to toward the shots. It will always be road patrol who gets there first.

The KILLING at MSD was over 24 seconds after the first deputy even arrived outside the 45 acre campus. After SP, of course. Sure, the shooter was shooting out a window when they pulled up but no one could tell where he was shooting from. By the time the Deps were on campus, the shooter was already running out the back of the school, unarmed. When CSPD arrived, and knew right where to go, thanks to the 911 calls they got, some deputies went in with them. There were no shots to run to once he fired the last shot. There was no longer an active shooter after 2:27:04. Before the first deputy even entered the campus. Now it is true that if maybe some of the deputies made decisions to park in a different place or entered off of Pine Island Road where the gates were open, maybe they would have met up with SP and got into Bldg 1200 a bit sooner. . 34 people would still have been shot. They were all shot before any deputies could have reached the building. Has anyone seen anything that says otherwise?

Imagine this, Had The City of Coral Springs not been so selfish and joined the Broward Regional Communications system, instead of arrogantly defying the Federal Government’s recommendation to regionalize communications, Parkland and CSPD would have been on the same radio channel. While no one on the first floor would have been saved, maybe those on the third floor would have.
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If CSPD would have just dispatched the call to their units, instead of trying to transfer an ACTIVE SHOOTER CALL, two seconds out of their city, the outcome may have been different.
Either way, only one Deputy had even the slightest chance to kill the shooter and he only had about a minute to find him and pull the trigger before the last victim was shot.

Keep active shooters out of schools in the first place. That is the answer. Because once they are in, kids will die no matter how many cops are there. Even if they show up wearing green pajamas.

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So you want a captain and a team to respond to an active shooter to handle the incident command? The shooting at MSD was over within three minutes and tenty-one seconds. Who really cares if there was a declared incident commander or not. If a Deputy would have got their ass into the camera room immediately, instead of relying on a school board employee to monitor/review the video, the entire event would have ended sooner than it did. Even still, no less kids would have been shot. Shouldn’t the District captain be experienced and trained and competent enough before they are knighted to the rank of captain? There are sergeants who could have managed that scene just fine. The rest of your proposed incident command team would not have even made it out of the PSB by the time the incident was over. Then you want QRF to deploy? That’s what SWAT does already. Even they took at least 20 minutes for the first SWAT guy to get there. Just wearing fancy green pajamas does not give you the ability to magically find the shooter once he stops shooting. I suppose 20 or 30 deputies could started clearing the campus instead of waiting for SWAT. But then we’d need a new policy. Everyone knows that in an active killer, you go to toward the shots. It will always be road patrol who gets there first.

The KILLING at MSD was over 24 seconds after the first deputy even arrived outside the 45 acre campus. After SP, of course. Sure, the shooter was shooting out a window when they pulled up but no one could tell where he was shooting from. By the time the Deps were on campus, the shooter was already running out the back of the school, unarmed. When CSPD arrived, and knew right where to go, thanks to the 911 calls they got, some deputies went in with them. There were no shots to run to once he fired the last shot. There was no longer an active shooter after 2:27:04. Before the first deputy even entered the campus. Now it is true that if maybe some of the deputies made decisions to park in a different place or entered off of Pine Island Road where the gates were open, maybe they would have met up with SP and got into Bldg 1200 a bit sooner. . 34 people would still have been shot. They were all shot before any deputies could have reached the building. Has anyone seen anything that says otherwise?

Imagine this, Had The City of Coral Springs not been so selfish and joined the Broward Regional Communications system, instead of arrogantly defying the Federal Government’s recommendation to regionalize communications, Parkland and CSPD would have been on the same radio channel. While no one on the first floor would have been saved, maybe those on the third floor would have.
OR
If CSPD would have just dispatched the call to their units, instead of trying to transfer an ACTIVE SHOOTER CALL, two seconds out of their city, the outcome may have been different.
Either way, only one Deputy had even the slightest chance to kill the shooter and he only had about a minute to find him and pull the trigger before the last victim was shot.

Keep active shooters out of schools in the first place. That is the answer. Because once they are in, kids will die no matter how many cops are there. Even if they show up wearing green pajamas.

In a candy and nutshell, basically what you're saying is Coral Springs PD killed 17 people?

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Absolutely not! Nick Cruz killed 17 people. He did it before any of the responding Parkland deputies were even on the campus. There is just so much hindsighted blame being thrown around, why not put some of it on the city that got the 911 calls, and feels it should not be part of a regional communications system.

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So you want a captain and a team to respond to an active shooter to handle the incident command? The shooting at MSD was over within three minutes and tenty-one seconds. Who really cares if there was a declared incident commander or not. If a Deputy would have got their ass into the camera room immediately, instead of relying on a school board employee to monitor/review the video, the entire event would have ended sooner than it did. Even still, no less kids would have been shot. Shouldn’t the District captain be experienced and trained and competent enough before they are knighted to the rank of captain? There are sergeants who could have managed that scene just fine. The rest of your proposed incident command team would not have even made it out of the PSB by the time the incident was over. Then you want QRF to deploy? That’s what SWAT does already. Even they took at least 20 minutes for the first SWAT guy to get there. Just wearing fancy green pajamas does not give you the ability to magically find the shooter once he stops shooting. I suppose 20 or 30 deputies could started clearing the campus instead of waiting for SWAT. But then we’d need a new policy. Everyone knows that in an active killer, you go to toward the shots. It will always be road patrol who gets there first.

The KILLING at MSD was over 24 seconds after the first deputy even arrived outside the 45 acre campus. After SP, of course. Sure, the shooter was shooting out a window when they pulled up but no one could tell where he was shooting from. By the time the Deps were on campus, the shooter was already running out the back of the school, unarmed. When CSPD arrived, and knew right where to go, thanks to the 911 calls they got, some deputies went in with them. There were no shots to run to once he fired the last shot. There was no longer an active shooter after 2:27:04. Before the first deputy even entered the campus. Now it is true that if maybe some of the deputies made decisions to park in a different place or entered off of Pine Island Road where the gates were open, maybe they would have met up with SP and got into Bldg 1200 a bit sooner. . 34 people would still have been shot. They were all shot before any deputies could have reached the building. Has anyone seen anything that says otherwise?

Imagine this, Had The City of Coral Springs not been so selfish and joined the Broward Regional Communications system, instead of arrogantly defying the Federal Government’s recommendation to regionalize communications, Parkland and CSPD would have been on the same radio channel. While no one on the first floor would have been saved, maybe those on the third floor would have.
OR
If CSPD would have just dispatched the call to their units, instead of trying to transfer an ACTIVE SHOOTER CALL, two seconds out of their city, the outcome may have been different.
Either way, only one Deputy had even the slightest chance to kill the shooter and he only had about a minute to find him and pull the trigger before the last victim was shot.

Keep active shooters out of schools in the first place. That is the answer. Because once they are in, kids will die no matter how many cops are there. Even if they show up wearing green pajamas.

Literally the only one on these pages that makes any sense!

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Absolutely not! Nick Cruz killed 17 people. He did it before any of the responding Parkland deputies were even on the campus. There is just so much hindsighted blame being thrown around, why not put some of it on the city that got the 911 calls, and feels it should not be part of a regional communications system.

You sound like a coward trying to excuse somebody’s actions! Yours maybe?

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Literally the only one on these pages that makes any sense!

Makes sense? Some of it does. But you left out a few things. There were some blues clues that were visible from the parking lot, and from the street:

Aaron Feis lying horizontally outside of the west door

A window with broken glass and circular holes all over it

Kids running out and away from a building screaming "Active Shooter"

Just a few paw prints that didn't make it into the notebook.