Thread: 9mm

Unregistered · 08-05-2018, 03:54 PM

Good news! We're going back to the 9mm. Woo Hoo! That .45 is just too much cannon for what's it worth.

Unregistered · 08-19-2018, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Good news! We're going back to the 9mm. Woo Hoo! That .45 is just too much cannon for what's it worth.

The 9 mm ammo is cheaper. The low-T ladyboys they have been hiring can't handle the recoil of the .45. If this trend continues we will be shooting .380 in a few years.

Unregistered · 08-19-2018, 11:08 PM

I am amused by this trend back to the 9mm. Years ago the FBI said 10mm was the way to go. They soon discovered the soft hands of their pencil pushing accountant agents couldn't handle it, so 40S&W came along. The be all end all of law enforcement. Then guess what? The 40 ammo cost too much. Recoil suddenly became excessive and now everything old is new again. 9mm is back. Give me a 45 and leave me alone. Sometimes fat and slow gets the job done.

Unregistered · 08-19-2018, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I am amused by this trend back to the 9mm. Years ago the FBI said 10mm was the way to go. They soon discovered the soft hands of their pencil pushing accountant agents couldn't handle it, so 40S&W came along. The be all end all of law enforcement. Then guess what? The 40 ammo cost too much. Recoil suddenly became excessive and now everything old is new again. 9mm is back. Give me a 45 and leave me alone. Sometimes fat and slow gets the job done.

If I was an administrator making such decisions, I would go out of my way NOT to do what the FBI does.

Unregistered · 08-20-2018, 01:23 AM

Gunfight stats show that LEOs hit their targets about 20% of the time. This is one of the main reasons the FBI and local and state LEO agencies switched back to the 9 mm - more rounds available than .45 and .40 pistols, with improved stopping power made possible by modern bullet construction. The FBI's Miami shootout caused the FBI to switch to the .40 but that was due to poor 9 mm ammo performance, according to the investigation.

The second reason for the switch to 9 mm is the ability of the new recruits to handle the recoil, accuracy and speed of the follow up shots. 9 mm wins again.

The third reason is cost. 9 mm is cheaper than .40 and .45.

So there you have it - 9 mm wins in firepower, follow up shots, accuracy and cost.

One of my relatives works for the FWC, I do not work for the FWC, I work for a large agency on the West Coast who still uses the .45, Glock 21. When our pistols are due for replacement there is no doubt in my mind we will switch to the 9 mm.

Unregistered · 08-21-2018, 02:37 AM

Some Red Neck in Tally got a hair up his nose and we ended up with the .45.
Possibly the worst compromise for a duty gun as far as weight and bulk to carry all day when the FPE on the 40 are comparable in a 9 mm frame gun.
Affirmative Action hires cant shoot, can't fight, actually can't do much other than complain and draw a paycheck' that is why we are going back to the 9mm

Unregistered · 10-14-2018, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The 9 mm ammo is cheaper. The low-T ladyboys they have been hiring can't handle the recoil of the .45. If this trend continues we will be shooting .380 in a few years.

Just looked, .380 isn't any cheaper than 9mm. Maybe .22 LR (its really cheap) you can easily carry a couple hundred rounds in your pocket, fun to shoot, not loud, practically no recoil. Plus the FBI report said shot placement was the most important consideration, .22 LR is very accurate.

Unregistered · 10-22-2018, 09:12 AM

Because the current generation of trainees is not capable of handling the .45 ACP. The 9mm has been determined to be mild enough that it won't cause high levels of apprehension and terror when firing. It also allows them to carry 15, 17 or more rounds per magazine which makes up for lack of skill and the ability to place shots accurately.