Chief Garisson on ARV and BWCs

[Unregistered]

I guess compared to you I am Einstein. You are the one that mentioned LCSO having a dinosaur mentality. You brought another agency into the equation. I was simply enlightening you that only a very small percentage of law enforcement agencies have body cameras. I would hardly consider that dinosaur mentality. Pinellas, Palm Beach SO's wold hardly be considered dinosaur. Vehicles like a Bearcat can save lives. Cameras don't. Although I am all for Cameras. No agency the size of North Port should or need to rely on another agency for something as simple as a rescue vehicle.

No go back and read your posts carefully. Articulate a well written article and we can have a discussion. Otherwise to now deflect and say you don't care what other agencies do and this is North Port is just a cop out. Take some time and do some reading comprehension, form a well thought out statement based on logical reasoning.

Thank you!!!

[Unregistered]

As a retired LE Administrator (not NPPD) from a very large agency in Florida, I can tell you Chief Garrison is spot on in his assessment. I'm sure he wishes, just like I did, that we would never need to purchase one of these types of vehicle. Unfortunately, those that wish to do harm to others, it has become necessary. We can't put a price on a life.

I think we're very lucky and extremely to have Garrison as our incoming Chief. Not only does he come from the streets, the rank and file, but he's well educated and up to date with the current needs of what is needed. Let's give him a chance, support him, and not try to undermine him. He was chosen out of a lot of candidates, and deserves this opportunity. There will always be those who can't stand change, especially when it wasn't their decision, but I for one, will support our new Chief.

[Stephanie Gibson]

I think we're very lucky and extremely to have Garrison as our incoming Chief. Not only does he come from the streets, the rank and file, but he's well educated and up to date with the current needs of what is needed. Let's give him a chance, support him, and not try to undermine him. He was chosen out of a lot of candidates, and deserves this opportunity. There will always be those who can't stand change, especially when it wasn't their decision, but I for one, will support our new Chief.

I agree 100%. We wanted change and we got change. Is it uncomfortable? Hell it HAS to be better than what was. I would have liked us to slow roll the ARV until BWCs or stick with the current wait for surplus as well rather than the 'Cadillac' version. Clearly, I cannot judge as I dont have the institutional knowledge to do so. I was glad that Pete reached out for Chief Garrison to weigh in. From my perspective, that was reassuring. I trust that he will insist upon developing policy defining criteria for its judicious use.

The only place I may disagree is whether he is fully informed of all NPPD needs. He knows what he may have read in social media or been told by the City. Experience has shown we are quick to show our strengths and shade what aint so great. That said, I am certain he will figure out our strengths and weaknesses AFTER he is brought on board and will do what he feels is necessary.

I expected more celebration from the rank n file. The TIME has come for the CHANGE we begged for, so embrace it, support him and if/when asked, be 100% honest with the good bad and ugly. It isnt about rolling this one or that one under the bus, it is about putting all the cards on the table so he can plan to build on the strengths and remediate the weaknesses.

[Unregistered]

I agree 100%. We wanted change and we got change. Is it uncomfortable? Hell it HAS to be better than what was. I would have liked us to slow roll the ARV until BWCs or stick with the current wait for surplus as well rather than the 'Cadillac' version. Clearly, I cannot judge as I dont have the institutional knowledge to do so. I was glad that Pete reached out for Chief Garrison to weigh in. From my perspective, that was reassuring. I trust that he will insist upon developing policy defining criteria for its judicious use.

The only place I may disagree is whether he is fully informed of all NPPD needs. He knows what he may have read in social media or been told by the City. Experience has shown we are quick to show our strengths and shade what aint so great. That said, I am certain he will figure out our strengths and weaknesses AFTER he is brought on board and will do what he feels is necessary.

I expected more celebration from the rank n file. The TIME has come for the CHANGE we begged for, so embrace it, support him and if/when asked, be 100% honest with the good bad and ugly. It isnt about rolling this one or that one under the bus, it is about putting all the cards on the table so he can plan to build on the strengths and remediate the weaknesses.

Stephanie you are correct , it appears that your new chief wants to push your department in a positive direction.. Not having MOU with other agencies and being able to stand alone and handle situations that arise without relying on other agencies for resources, It is a positive direction knowing that the new chief has faith in the employees and their abilities. It would be easier to rely on others but he chooses to put his trust in your department members

[Unregistered]

Stephanie you are correct , it appears that your new chief wants to push your department in a positive direction.. Not having MOU with other agencies and being able to stand alone and handle situations that arise without relying on other agencies for resources, It is a positive direction knowing that the new chief has faith in the employees and their abilities. It would be easier to rely on others but he chooses to put his trust in your department members

So you think NPPD can do it all alone? OK see how that works out for us. The taxpayers are already paying for the Sheriff's resources why not be a team player and work with the Sheriff? If we have a swat team somebody will poke their eye out.

[Unregistered]

So you think NPPD can do it all alone? OK see how that works out for us. The taxpayers are already paying for the Sheriff's resources why not be a team player and work with the Sheriff? If we have a swat team somebody will poke their eye out.

The Sheriff covers a very a large area and population. Say the Sheriff has his swat team and/or rescue vehicles tied up we would be left scrambling to get help. That would be silly and poor planning on the part of NPPD. I challenge you to find agencies the size of NPPD or even close to the size of NPPD that do not have a SWAT/SRT team. You obviously do not know much about law enforcement as SRT/SWAT are standard in agencies even smaller than NPPD. This is a growing city that must meet the challenges of day to day law enforcement and protect its citizens and people.

[Stephanie Gibson]

"This is a growing city that must meet the challenges of day to day law enforcement and protect its citizens and people."

For me this is about the priority of this ARV over the known #NEED of the BWCs. If we analyzed the empirical data on how to best serve and protect, we would be balls to the wall to get the BWCs implemented from a physical and financial protection POV.

One issue not considered about dreaming up the new design that it is being engineered for the very first Bearcat rolling off Lanco for NPPD with the "water wing" apparatus.. is what sounds awesome and cool (NPPD vehicle will be on display in Orlando to promote the new design.. blah blah..) is the first is rarely the last version. So we will be finding all the issues that they can build upon in the next reiterations.

Miami FD, on of the Top 10 FD in the nation, will be getting one as well and will be the second off the assembly line after NPPD I pulled the FD annual budget (FY 14 121 million).. nearly 10 times 4 years ago than the 16 million PD budget. Why would NPPD and her taxpayers pay the price to develop a new product line (enhancement) for Lanco??

All that said, its pissing in the wind at this point to fight back. Here is hoping they negotiated discounts for us being the guinea pigs in their Product Development process.

On a brighter note.. we are in the single digit days counting down to Leadership change.

Question: So if we are no longer leaning on the SSO for this equipment,will we be getting a refund from the Sherriff? Or does he keep the same dollars and reap the benefit of the NoPo taxpayer without the responsibility that goes with?

[Stephanie Gibson]

The Sheriff covers a very a large area and population. Say the Sheriff has his swat team and/or rescue vehicles tied up we would be left scrambling to get help. That would be silly and poor planning on the part of NPPD. I challenge you to find agencies the size of NPPD or even close to the size of NPPD that do not have a SWAT/SRT team. You obviously do not know much about law enforcement as SRT/SWAT are standard in agencies even smaller than NPPD. This is a growing city that must meet the challenges of day to day law enforcement and protect its citizens and people.

Perhaps... but how many agencies blew $300-350K on a ARV?

[Unregistered]

There is no reason to buy this new when the same is available at 1/3rd the price from BearCat as one of the reconditioned vehicles they sell with identical capability. It seems to me that this is more about the status of a new vehicle rather than officer safety. Also, what about citizen safety and lives? We are asking that police wear body cams because our city has more police K9 mauling incidents that all of the local cities and towns combined. We’ve seen the disgraceful texts between officers, paid settlements for far too many officer mistakes, and have reason to be frightened. What about us?

[Unregistered]

For the love of God. Please just educate yourself already. No, we don't get a refund from the Sheriff. The City of North Port does not contract with the Sheriff for law enforcement services. Lets head north a bit to counties in which agencies do contract with a Sheriff. Manatee and Pinellas (Pinellas contracts with more than a dozen cities to provide services to cities). That is cities that already paid taxes to the county before they got rid of their police departments. Even when they had their own agencies the Sheriff would help (as our does) when asked IF available. Broward County, same thing as Pinellas. At the end of the day it does suck we live in a society that we need and should have one of these types of vehicles. They save lives and that is a fact. How much money are you willing to put on someones life? Do you want to potentially tell someone their son, daughter, mother, father, etc died and it could have been prevented?


QUOTE=Stephanie Gibson;2919350]

"This is a growing city that must meet the challenges of day to day law enforcement and protect its citizens and people."

For me this is about the priority of this ARV over the known #NEED of the BWCs. If we analyzed the empirical data on how to best serve and protect, we would be balls to the wall to get the BWCs implemented from a physical and financial protection POV.

One issue not considered about dreaming up the new design that it is being engineered for the very first Bearcat rolling off Lanco for NPPD with the "water wing" apparatus.. is what sounds awesome and cool (NPPD vehicle will be on display in Orlando to promote the new design.. blah blah..) is the first is rarely the last version. So we will be finding all the issues that they can build upon in the next reiterations.

Miami FD, on of the Top 10 FD in the nation, will be getting one as well and will be the second off the assembly line after NPPD I pulled the FD annual budget (FY 14 121 million).. nearly 10 times 4 years ago than the 16 million PD budget. Why would NPPD and her taxpayers pay the price to develop a new product line (enhancement) for Lanco??

All that said, its pissing in the wind at this point to fight back. Here is hoping they negotiated discounts for us being the guinea pigs in their Product Development process.

On a brighter note.. we are in the single digit days counting down to Leadership change.

Question: So if we are no longer leaning on the SSO for this equipment,will we be getting a refund from the Sherriff? Or does he keep the same dollars and reap the benefit of the NoPo taxpayer without the responsibility that goes with?[/QUOTE]