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    I think they are referring to beach incident, where city cop shot at a vehicle while trying to stop 2 vehicles at once! The first car stopped and when he attempted to stop the 2nd vehicle with hand gestures! It almost ran him over and he fired one shot while it was coming towards him and then multiple shots after it passed him fleeing! The driver was caught up the road and luckily there was no children in the backseat or pedestrians walking nearby! I hope everyone remembers that once the round leaves the gun on a fleeing vehicle that any innocents shot can lead to possible prison! It’s important to take note that a very high percentage of police agencies nationwide have strict policies that absolutely forbid shooting at fleeing vehicles for these reasons! As well the fact that shooting into the rear of a fleeing vehicle is ineffective and if the driver was actually hit while fleeing at high rate of speed then becomes a 2 ton speeding bullet ready to take out pedestrians and other families in vehicles! It also causes riots if it happens in St. Pete! Remember bottles and bricks in 1996
    Dear Moron,

    I don’t care what other agencies are doing. But to actually forbid shooting at a vehicle is the most ignorant libtard thing I could imagine. Someone has A better chance running you over than hitting you with a bullet. And I’d like to put you in the path of a car driven by someone who wants to run you over and see how calm you would be. And likewise I you were driving a car and I shot you I bet you wouldn’t get much further. I suppose in your reality police are the evil ones and criminals are just misunderstood due to subconscious bias. You are the weakest link. You’d be no loss to society.

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    You are a moron.

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    Thanks for clarifying what the post was about

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    Dumbass James is at it again with his stupid posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Dear Moron,

    I don’t care what other agencies are doing. But to actually forbid shooting at a vehicle is the most ignorant libtard thing I could imagine. Someone has A better chance running you over than hitting you with a bullet. And I’d like to put you in the path of a car driven by someone who wants to run you over and see how calm you would be. And likewise I you were driving a car and I shot you I bet you wouldn’t get much further. I suppose in your reality police are the evil ones and criminals are just misunderstood due to subconscious bias. You are the weakest link. You’d be no loss to society.

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    You are a moron.
    You would miss tough guy and shot a motorist in the opposing lane. Go clean your gun that more than likely has rust on it.

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    Shooting at it coming at you is ok, but shooting into the rear afterward is total BS! As we have seen it is irresponsible and plain and simple poor judgement! How many shootings can you recall ever that it did anything but get officer terminated, sued, or arrested! I bet no one on this site can show 1 case where it did anything by shooting into the rear, except hit innocent civilians! That’s why 90% + agencies forbid it! It’s gross negligence and should result in SAO/FDLE to weigh in on it. Just look at the articles on PoliceOne! I’m not trying to bash any officer for heat of the moment shooting, but everyone should think twice about their future career wise, criminally and civil liability! We are already under the microscope for everything we say and do, don’t need more bad press for complete stupidity, such as this! Not only shooting at back of vehicle but putting ourselves in position to jump out in front of speeding car hoping that throwing up the police hand to stop is going to be effective in a tourist area with elderly drivers, tourists, and knuckleheads texting and driving! On this case as normally occurs, PCSO swooped in and caught the driver, which is no surprise because WE always catch them for all the other agencies! So once again WTF is shooting 3 rounds into the trunk of a fleeing vehicle! The plus side of this incident is no pedestrians or innocent passengers in the car were shot!

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    Police in major cities revise shooting policies in response to vehicle attacksPolice in D.C., New York City, Chicago and Las Vegas are loosening policies to allow officers to fire at moving vehicles to stop vehicular attacks.

    WASHINGTON — Police in major metropolitan hubs are revising their use-of-force policies regarding shooting at moving vehicles in wake of recent attacks.

    The Washington Post reports that police in Washington, New York City, Chicago and Las Vegas are loosening policies to allow officers to fire at moving vehicles to stop vehicular attacks. The revision comes in response to recent vehicular attacks, such as the one in Toronto that left 10 dead last month.

    Bicycles and debris lay on a bike path near West and Houston Streets after people were injured after a vehicle attack on a bike path in New York Tuesday, Oct. 31, 2017. (AP Photo/Craig Ruttle)
    Bicycles and debris lay on a bike path near West and Houston Streets after people were injured after a vehicle attack on a bike path in New York Tuesday, Oct. 31, 2017. (AP Photo/Craig Ruttle)
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    “We have to balance the threat to the community with the idea we don’t want to use fatal force unless we absolutely have to,” D.C. Police Chief Peter Newsham said. “It’s really important to make sure officers completely understand this is a special circumstance, a last resort, but one that may be necessary.”

    Concerns in tactics remain, but authorities said that in extreme circumstances, trying to shoot the driver of a vehicular attack may be the only way to save lives. Many law enforcement officials and experts believe that new rules regarding shooting at moving vehicles should be tailored as narrowly as possible.

    In September, Las Vegas revised its policies and now allows officers to shoot at moving vehicles if it’s “absolutely necessary to preserve human life.” In New York City, officers can now shoot at moving vehicles only “to terminate a mass casualty terrorist event.”

    Newsham said the new revisions in D.C. are meant for only large-scale “ramming attacks.” Under the department’s UOF directive, ramming attacks are defined as one “in which a perpetrator deliberately rams, or attempts to ram, a motor vehicle at a crowd of people with the intent to inflict fatal injuries.”

    The chief added that the rules still inform officers that, in most cases, vehicles alone can’t be considered a weapon and that officers should “avoid tactics that could place them in a position where a vehicle could be used against them.

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    How cops can defend against vehicular attacksAdministrators who prohibit their officers from firing at or from a vehicle are tying their hands from possible life-saving solutions

    This brings us to the growing impetus of police policy makers seeking to prohibit the use of gunfire from or at vehicles. Such policy is best structured around the legal or moral justification of using deadly force, not the specifics of application. In other words, administrators who prohibit their officers from firing at or from a vehicle are tying their hands from possible life-saving solutions.

    Some administrators create such policies because they fear that officers may deliberately step into harm’s way, willingly exposing themselves to a moving vehicle threat, in order to justify their use of deadly force. This is unlikely.

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    Cop fired after shooting into fleeing vehicle

    BALCH SPRINGS, Texas — Police in suburban Dallas fired the officer who shot and killed a black 15-year-old boy riding in a vehicle leaving a party, and family members of the teenager said they want criminal charges filed against the officer.

    The Balch Springs, Texas, officer, identified as Roy Oliver, was terminated on Tuesday for violating department policies in the shooting death of Jordan Edwards, police chief Jonathan Haber said.

    Balch Springs Police Chief Jonathan Haber speaks during a news conference after an officer involved shooting of 15-year-old Jordan Edwards at the Balch Springs Learning Center and Library in Balch Springs, Texas, Monday, May 1, 2017. (Nathan Hunsinger/The Dallas Morning News via AP)
    Balch Springs Police Chief Jonathan Haber speaks during a news conference after an officer involved shooting of 15-year-old Jordan Edwards at the Balch Springs Learning Center and Library in Balch Springs, Texas, Monday, May 1, 2017. (Nathan Hunsinger/The Dallas Morning News via AP)
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    Edwards, a high school freshman, was leaving the party with his two brothers and two other teenagers Saturday night. Police arrived at the scene to investigate an underage drinking complaint and spotted the vehicle leaving. Oliver opened fire as the teenagers were driving away.

    Shots from his rifle pierced the front side passenger window, hitting Edwards in the front seat, according to Edwards' family attorneys, Lee Merritt and Jasmine Crockett. His 16-year-old brother was driving.

    The Dallas County district attorney and the Dallas County sheriff's office are investigating the case. The race of the fired officer was not revealed.

    The Dallas County medical examiner ruled Edwards' death a homicide.

    Thousands of Facebook and Twitter users have posted about the case in recent days with the hashtag "#jordanedwards," some comparing his death to other police shootings of young black men, such as 12-year-old Tamir Rice in Cleveland, who was fatally shot in November 2014 as he held a pellet gun.

    Police originally said the teenagers' vehicle was reversing "in an aggressive manner" toward officers, but Haber said Monday that video taken at the scene proved the vehicle was actually driving away.

    The police department's latest statement, released Tuesday night, says officers entering the house heard gunshots ring out during a "chaotic scene with numerous people running away from the location." As officers exited the house, they encountered the vehicle backing out onto a main road and driving away despite their attempts to tell the driver to stop, the new statement said.

    Edwards' family had called for the officer to be fired and criminally charged.

    A family statement released Tuesday night called for disciplinary action against other officers who "extended this nightmare for those children."

    "Our family is working hard to deal with both the loss of our beloved Jordan and the lingering trauma it has caused our boys," the family statement said.

    Cindy Stormer, an attorney for Oliver, issued a statement saying the shooting was "recent and still being investigated."

    "Everyone should wait until the facts come out and we know more," she said, according to the Dallas Morning News.

    Friends have described Edwards as a good student and popular athlete. Edwards and the four people with him decided to leave what was becoming an unruly party as they heard gunfire and police were arriving, Merritt said, citing what witnesses had told lawyers.

    As they drove away from the party, Crockett said, the brother driving the vehicle heard multiple gunshots that were close enough to leave his ears ringing. It took a few moments before the people inside in the car noticed Edwards slumped over, she said. They couldn't tell if he was already dead.

    The brother who was driving pulled over and tried to motion to police for help, she said. Instead, Crockett said, he was detained and handcuffed. Crockett said the driver wasn't formally arrested, but a separate statement from the family released through Merritt says the two brothers were arrested.

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    SEATTLE - Seattle police have opened a criminal investigation into the actions of two officers who opened fire on a car in the Eastlake neighborhood Sunday night after they said the driver suddenly backed toward them.

    The investigation by homicide detectives will determine whether a criminal violation occurred when the officers fired dozens of rounds at the Subaru Impreza as it sped away, according to a law-enforcement source.

    In addition, the department’s Force Investigation Team is conducting a separate investigation into the shooting to determine if department policy was followed, the source said.

    The criminal investigation is being done out of an abundance of caution, another law-enforcement source said.

    Police on Tuesday evening released dashboard-camera and body-camera video and audio from the shooting Sunday evening.

    Officers Kenneth Martin and Tabitha Sexton fired at the black Impreza after responding to reports of a “suspicious vehicle” in the 2200 block of Yale Avenue East. The Police Department identified the two officers Tuesday evening.

    The video shows officers moving toward a car as an officer asks “is that them right there?” Officers then yell for the person to get on the ground, but the person runs toward the car.

    The video then shows four officers running toward the car, with one of them standing in front of the car and moving out of the way as someone drives out of the parking stall and down an alley.

    Officers initially open fire as the car pulls out. The driver briefly stops the car twice as officers open fire again with numerous gunshots. The driver then turns the vehicle right and drives off.

    Officers located the car in North Seattle on Monday afternoon. The occupants have not been located.

    One law-enforcement source said a small amount of blood was found in the car, but not enough to suggest serious injury.

    The law-enforcement source said Andrew Myerberg, interim director of the department’s Office of Police Accountability, advised the department early Monday morning to open the criminal investigation.

    At issue, the source said, is whether the officers’ actions – particularly the second round of gunshots – rose to the level of possible criminal conduct. Also at issue is whether they violated department policy by shooting at a fleeing vehicle, the source said.
    According to the department manual, officers shouldn’t fire at a moving vehicle “unless a person in the vehicle is immediately threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle.” The manual states that the moving vehicle itself shall not “presumptively constitute a threat that justifies” deadly force.

    Officers also should move out of the path of a vehicle unless the person is immediately threatening the officer or another person.

    It’s expected that the results from the criminal investigation will be completed within a week and submitted to the King County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office to determine whether the shooting was criminal.

    Martin, 27, was hired by the police department in 2015. Sexton, 32, was hired in 2007. Both officers have been placed on paid administrative leave, per normal policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Shooting at it coming at you is ok, but shooting into the rear afterward is total BS! That’s why 90% + agencies forbid it!
    So I take it you have looked at the SOP's for 100% of the LEO agencies in the US? Really? And 90% of them state "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARE MOVING VEHICLES TO BE FIRED UPON, ONCE THEY PASS YOU."

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