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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach Murdock View Post
    Appellate judges unanimously ruled against Sheriff Tom Knight in the battle about- providing security in court facilities.
    Kurt Hoffman's argument was that "a judge’s authority stops at the four corners of the courtroom." That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard, especially from an idiot that claims to be an attorney. And now Hoffman is claiming that CCW permit holders can bring their guns into the Sarasota clerk of court building. Why is Knight listening to Hoffman’s advice?

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    Post Appeals court denies Knight’s request to review CCW debate

    From the Bradenton-Herald website:

    Quote Originally Posted by “Jessica De Leon”
    The Second District Court of Appeals denied Sheriff Tom Knight's request to review a court order to provide clarification on whether CCW permitted weapons should be allowed inside clerk of court’s offices, thereby letting Chief Judge Charles Williams court order stand.

    Knight said in a statement: “This ruling fails to address the rights of citizens [to carry guns into the clerk of court building].”

    In Manatee County, Sheriff Rick Wells implemented changes that allow anyone with a CCW permit to enter the Manatee County Historical Courthouse, which houses the clerk of courts offices and the historical courtroom which is not used for official court proceedings.
    Full story:
    http://www.bradenton.com/news/local/...191858304.html
    Journalism can never be silent: that is its greatest virtue and its greatest fault. It must speak, and speak immediately, while the echoes of wonder, the claims of triumph and the signs of horror are still in the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach Murdock View Post
    Steube said: “We can do stuff, it’s just a matter of figuring out how. It’s too early to say exactly how, but I’m going to find a way to [change all of] this.”
    Steube tried to statutorily change the definition of "courthouse" so that civilians can CCW inside the clerk of court building. However, the judiciary are watching Steube's actions like a hawk. LOL. Legislators shot down Steube's most recent attempt in early December. Check out line 67 here:

    https://legiscan.com/FL/text/S0134/2018

    (scroll down and then you'll see Steube's writing in green)

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    Post Deputies ordered back to Sarasota clerk of court

    From ABC7 WWSB website:

    Quote Originally Posted by “ABC7 WWSB”
    Sheriff Tom Knight told ABC7 that his legal team will look at the appellate court ruling, before he decides what to do next.
    Full story:
    http://www.mysuncoast.com/news/deput...d32b5c450.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABC7 WWSB View Post
    Sheriff Tom Knight told ABC7 that his legal team will look at the appellate court ruling, before he decides what to do next.
    WTF?

    Mr. Knight, the thing you will do next is obey the court order. There are no immoral ifs, immoral ands, or immoral buts about it. Not even an effin immoral maybe. You have no other moral choice. Or do you have more immoral tricks up your sleeve? Obey the effen law. Or else.

    MR. KNIGHT, YOU ARE DISPLAYING MORAL CHARACTER ISSUES. AGAIN. STOP.

    Either that or your just a nut case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humpty Dumpty
    Senator Steube is declaring that “court facilities” that do not have “active courtrooms” are required, by law, to allow civilians to bring their guns inside the building. That’s asinine because that’s where victims go to petition the court for restraining orders. It’s also where angry road-raging motorists go to pay court and traffic fines. Defendants must also go there to pay court fines and to complete administrative paperwork. It is absolutely asinine for Sheriff Tom Knight to declare that citizens’ rights are violated when the chief judge disallows civilians from carrying guns inside the Sarasota Clerk of Court building.

    The fact that a panel of three appellate judges ruled against Sheriff Knight is not surprising and speaks volumes. Sheriff Knight’s and Senator Steube’s battle-against-the-courts is a complete waste of tax payers money and it demonstrates a lack of common sense. Knight’s and Steube’s antics are remarkable, conniving, disingenuous and dangerous for public safety. The Sarasota GOP needs to pull the financial rug out from under them.
    The above is a copy-and-paste from the H-T website. It appears that the court system recognizes that the emperor is naked, AND citizens are seeing it too. The ringmaster has bitten off more than he can chew and the senior circus staff clowns are unable to extricate Tom out of his knightmare. God help us. Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABC7 WWSB View Post
    Sheriff Tom Knight told ABC7 that his legal team will look at the appellate court ruling, before he decides what to do next.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    WTF?

    Mr. Knight, the thing you will do next is obey the court order. There are no immoral ifs, immoral ands, or immoral buts about it. Not even an effin immoral maybe. You have no other moral choice. Or do you have more immoral tricks up your sleeve? Obey the effen law. Or else.

    MR. KNIGHT, YOU ARE DISPLAYING MORAL CHARACTER ISSUES. AGAIN. STOP.

    Either that or your just a nut case?
    If a deputy were to disobey a court order, then Knight would fire his ass. However, if Knight willfully disobeys the legally upheld court order, then Governor Rick Scott should fire Knight's ass and forcibly remove him from office. Justice, integrity, honor and public trust need to be restored to the Sarasota Sheriff's Office. This is not a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    There are court rulings in other states that state that as long as security is provided, then EVERYONE can be disarmed before entering a facility, to include CCW permit holders.

    Imagine this scenario:
    • Knight starts allowing CCW guns into all court buildings where court is not in session, but those without CCW permits are disarmed before being allowed to enter the building.
    • A woman goes to the clerk of court to file for a restraining order (it's not issued yet). She is disarmed before entering the building because she doesn't have a CCW permit.
    • However, her husband has a CCW permit and deputies allow him to bring his gun into the clerk of court building.
    • The armed husband shoots and kills his unarmed wife inside the clerk of court building.
    • Guess what? The Sarasota Sheriff's Office is now liable for her death because we disarmed her, but we did not disarm him.
    And you would be fired for neglect of duty because last I knew it was illegal to carry a firearm without a CCW permit, actually a felony. Why would you disarm her and then let her go on about business? Now if you are going to try and change your story to the wife carrying a knife and that was the weapon that was taken away then again you're a fool because as we all know you don't go to a gunfight with a knife. I sure hope you aren't a LEO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Why would you disarm him?
    The bigger issue is Knight’s desire to allow CCW permit holders to bring their guns into court facilities while they are angry because:
    • A wife is inside the court facility where she is applying for a restraining order against her husband.
    • She doesn’t have a CCW permit or a gun, so she is unarmed.
    • He is armed with a CCW permit, so we let him take his gun inside the facility so he can shoot and kill her.

    That’s a high-liability issue that government needs to stay away from. That’s why EVERYONE is equally disarmed before being allowed to enter:
    • the courtroom, where hearings are being held
    • AND before being allowed inside court facilities (aka court buildings), where the court orders are being finalized and issued (and where angry defendants pay court fines and fees, etc.).

    Kurt Hoffman's original argument was that "a judge's authority does not exceed beyond the four corners of a courtroom." However, the appeals court unanimously ruled against Knight; thus, the chief judge can prohibit CCW guns from being brought inside court facilities. Allowing guns inside court facilities will never fly because the judiciary will never allow it to pass in the Florida legislature. Knight and Steube are SOL for three reasons:
    • First, our fellow legislators will shitcan Steube’s ridiculous idea.
    • Second, common sense will be applied during the legislative process.
    • Third, refer back to the first reason.

    Domestic violence and guns hits close to Knight's home. Please remember that Tom Knight’s brother (Chris Knight) has been arrested for woman beating (domestic violence) when he battered his live-in girlfriend. Click here to see Knight’s arrest record. Additionally, Tom Knight was previously arrested by the Venice Police Department for disorderly conduct when he got in a bar fight over “woman issues” while he was intoxicated.

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    The bigger issue is Knight’s desire to allow CCW permit holders to bring their guns into court facilities while they are angry because:
    • A wife is inside the court facility where she is applying for a restraining order against her husband.
    • She doesn’t have a CCW permit or a gun, so she is unarmed.
    • He is armed with a CCW permit, so we let him take his gun inside the facility so he can shoot and kill her.

    That’s a high-liability issue that government needs to stay away from. That’s why EVERYONE is equally disarmed before being allowed to enter:
    • the courtroom, where hearings are being held
    • AND before being allowed inside court facilities (aka court buildings), where the court orders are being finalized and issued (and where angry defendants pay court fines and fees, etc.).

    Kurt Hoffman's original argument was that "a judge's authority does not exceed beyond the four corners of a courtroom." However, the appeals court unanimously ruled against Knight; thus, the chief judge can prohibit CCW guns from being brought inside court facilities. Allowing guns inside court facilities will never fly because the judiciary will never allow it to pass in the Florida legislature. Knight and Steube are SOL for three reasons:
    • First, our fellow legislators will shitcan Steube’s ridiculous idea.
    • Second, common sense will be applied during the legislative process.
    • Third, refer back to the first reason.

    Domestic violence and guns hits close to Knight's home. Please remember that Tom Knight’s brother (Chris Knight) has been arrested for woman beating (domestic violence) when he battered his live-in girlfriend. Click here to see Knight’s arrest record. Additionally, Tom Knight was previously arrested by the Venice Police Department for disorderly conduct when he got in a bar fight over “woman issues” while he was intoxicated.

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