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12-27-2017, 10:40 PM #1
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Court Unanimously Rules Against Sheriff Tom Knight
...and Knight is ordered to reinstate security checkpoints in the Sarasota Clerk of Court Building
Originally Posted by “Zach Murdoch”
http://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20...-security-feudJournalism can never be silent: that is its greatest virtue and its greatest fault. It must speak, and speak immediately, while the echoes of wonder, the claims of triumph and the signs of horror are still in the air.
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12-28-2017, 12:44 AM #2contempt of courtGuest
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12-28-2017, 12:57 AM #3UnregisteredGuestSteube argued that [the Sarasota Clerk of Court building] is just a government building and it is not a “gun free zone.”
Imagine this scenario:
- Knight starts allowing CCW guns into all court buildings where court is not in session, but those without CCW permits are disarmed before being allowed to enter the building.
- A woman goes to the clerk of court to file for a restraining order (it's not issued yet). She is disarmed before entering the building because she doesn't have a CCW permit.
- However, her husband has a CCW permit and deputies allow him to bring his gun into the clerk of court building.
- The armed husband shoots and kills his unarmed wife inside the clerk of court building.
- Guess what? The Sarasota Sheriff's Office is now liable for her death because we disarmed her, but we did not disarm him.
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12-29-2017, 12:53 PM #4UnregisteredGuest
And you would be fired for neglect of duty because last I knew it was illegal to carry a firearm without a CCW permit, actually a felony. Why would you disarm her and then let her go on about business? Now if you are going to try and change your story to the wife carrying a knife and that was the weapon that was taken away then again you're a fool because as we all know you don't go to a gunfight with a knife. I sure hope you aren't a LEO
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12-29-2017, 01:47 PM #5UnregisteredGuest
The bigger issue is Knight’s desire to allow CCW permit holders to bring their guns into court facilities while they are angry because:
- A wife is inside the court facility where she is applying for a restraining order against her husband.
- She doesn’t have a CCW permit or a gun, so she is unarmed.
- He is armed with a CCW permit, so we let him take his gun inside the facility so he can shoot and kill her.
That’s a high-liability issue that government needs to stay away from. That’s why EVERYONE is equally disarmed before being allowed to enter:
- the courtroom, where hearings are being held
- AND before being allowed inside court facilities (aka court buildings), where the court orders are being finalized and issued (and where angry defendants pay court fines and fees, etc.).
Kurt Hoffman's original argument was that "a judge's authority does not exceed beyond the four corners of a courtroom." However, the appeals court unanimously ruled against Knight; thus, the chief judge can prohibit CCW guns from being brought inside court facilities. Allowing guns inside court facilities will never fly because the judiciary will never allow it to pass in the Florida legislature. Knight and Steube are SOL for three reasons:
- First, our fellow legislators will shitcan Steube’s ridiculous idea.
- Second, common sense will be applied during the legislative process.
- Third, refer back to the first reason.
Domestic violence and guns hits close to Knight's home. Please remember that Tom Knight’s brother (Chris Knight) has been arrested for woman beating (domestic violence) when he battered his live-in girlfriend. Click here to see Knight’s arrest record. Additionally, Tom Knight was previously arrested by the Venice Police Department for disorderly conduct when he got in a bar fight over “woman issues” while he was intoxicated.
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12-29-2017, 01:50 PM #6UnregisteredGuest
The bigger issue is Knight’s desire to allow CCW permit holders to bring their guns into court facilities while they are angry because:
- A wife is inside the court facility where she is applying for a restraining order against her husband.
- She doesn’t have a CCW permit or a gun, so she is unarmed.
- He is armed with a CCW permit, so we let him take his gun inside the facility so he can shoot and kill her.
That’s a high-liability issue that government needs to stay away from. That’s why EVERYONE is equally disarmed before being allowed to enter:
- the courtroom, where hearings are being held
- AND before being allowed inside court facilities (aka court buildings), where the court orders are being finalized and issued (and where angry defendants pay court fines and fees, etc.).
Kurt Hoffman's original argument was that "a judge's authority does not exceed beyond the four corners of a courtroom." However, the appeals court unanimously ruled against Knight; thus, the chief judge can prohibit CCW guns from being brought inside court facilities. Allowing guns inside court facilities will never fly because the judiciary will never allow it to pass in the Florida legislature. Knight and Steube are SOL for three reasons:
- First, our fellow legislators will shitcan Steube’s ridiculous idea.
- Second, common sense will be applied during the legislative process.
- Third, refer back to the first reason.
Domestic violence and guns hits close to Knight's home. Please remember that Tom Knight’s brother (Chris Knight) has been arrested for woman beating (domestic violence) when he battered his live-in girlfriend. Click here to see Knight’s arrest record. Additionally, Tom Knight was previously arrested by the Venice Police Department for disorderly conduct when he got in a bar fight over “woman issues” while he was intoxicated.
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12-30-2017, 01:49 AM #7
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Editorial: Clarify law on guns in court facilities
Originally Posted by “Sarasota Herald-Tribune Editorial (anonymous editor)”
http://www.heraldtribune.com/opinion...lities?start=2Last edited by Media; 12-30-2017 at 01:53 AM. Reason: Correction
Journalism can never be silent: that is its greatest virtue and its greatest fault. It must speak, and speak immediately, while the echoes of wonder, the claims of triumph and the signs of horror are still in the air.
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12-28-2017, 02:20 AM #8UnregisteredGuest
We have never allowed weapons into the Clerk of Court building, even from CCW permit holders. That's why Senator Steube was not allowed to bring his weapons into the building. The administrative order commands us to do what we have always done, which is to prohibit entry of all weapons. If the "Knight and Hoffman duo" order us to allow CCW guns into the facility, then it will be a brand new thing. I seriously doubt that the chief judge is going to go along with it.
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12-28-2017, 02:29 AM #9UnregisteredGuest
- Colonel Kurt Hoffman is going to have Major Jeff Bell tell Chief Judge Charles Williams that we will be allowing CCW's into the Sarasota Clerk of Court Building.
- Interestingly, Mr. Tom Knight will NOT be present at the meeting that Hoffman is asking the chief judge to attend. Knight is a contemptuous and condescending coward.
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12-28-2017, 02:42 AM #10UnregisteredGuest
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