The Queen of Poor Leadership

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I wonder who doing her projects and school work for her at the leadership academy in Virginia? I am sure it’s our crime analysis or admin corporal. Hopefully they will promote her and get her out of our district soon. Our major is a complete train wreck and Human Reaource nightmare. Something needs to change quickly before everyone starts turning in their papers to quit. The money isn’t worth the political bs this office displays day to day! Hopefully, she will find a new girlfriend while attending VPK in Virginia!

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Its not just district 3 my friend. HSD is a nightmare with the idiots running that place. You got captain who is incompetent and should have been relieved of duty for allowing a lt n sgt to steal thousands of dollars in unauthorized overtime. Not mention he s a terrible SWAT commander, just ask he guys on the team what they think if him or better yet the k9 n marine guys who cant stand him. Then you got the sgt who a bigger knucklehead that enjoys making up disciplinary on troops so he can look good. Guys a do boy putz. But hey, these are the face of sheriff cc new admin. Scarey stuff in the future boys n girls. Then they wonder why people are leaving left n right from this place.

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You guys are so full of siht! How long have deputies been threatening to quit?

If you wanna quit, then quit....stop crying wolf. No one bats an eye when the threat of deputies quitting comes up over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. Put up or shut up. No one believes you. No one is quitting unless they have other reason.

Yes, there are numerous problems with this agency but that is true with any job you will get anywhere. What are you going to do, quit them all? I'm calling your BULLSIHT! Now, if you had an entire platoon turn in their papers at the same time, then you might have a valid threat, but that has never happened, is not happening, and will never happen.

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Typical bully HCSO golden boy response.

Back to making this thread productive...

Many of us, including myself, want to quit right now. I mean immediately and never ever look back. The problem is that many of us came here years ago when things were bette. When we felt safe and supported. Over the years, I have seen real cop leaders retire only to be replaced with businessmen politicians and lawyers. We came here and started families and put ourselves in debit for the americans dream. Now things went very bad at this agency and we are stuck. However, just because no one is actually quitting, it does not mean these threats of quitting are not a serious matter. It shows the mentality and frustration of the front line employee. They have given up, want to leave, and feel trapped. How does a front line employee with that mentality help the public or be productive? Any basic leadership course, book or whatever explains how this occurs. heck, any book on how to be a good spouse, parent, manager, leader explains how a company’s moral can be destroyed in a manner of years by negative reinforcement, no support, and not making employees feel safe. We have no voice. There are even numerous seminars, some free, to learn these skills. This agency is only looking out for the executive staff and nothing more. A bigger symptom of this are all the new guys leaving. That says it all. They started a committee to investigate as to why so many new deputies have left. Seemed proactive at first except that the committee was told what BS to say to the sheriff in the end. their was no mention of new deputies being discourage with how short handed we are and all the unnecessary paperwork, politics, and disconnect. I have personally worked with many deputies that quit, and their reasons were very simple and clear. The problem also is that they dont want to be black balled by the HCSO on their new jobs, so they give politically correct reasons for quitting. Some people quit this agency for jobs that pay half of what the HCSO pays. What does that tell you?? Its not about the money. Its about being staffed and supported. Lastly, yes politics like this exist at other jobs, but it sure is easier to deal with when your life is not on the line. You would think that since we are cops and risk our lives every day, we could be spared of the BS and treated like professional adults. Give me a job with no risk of death or being sued for doing my job, and ill take the massive pay cut and politics all day long. I dont blame them for leaving.

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You know thr going to promote her to colonel. Just think when she does make it she ll be in the accidental discharge club like our new sheriff who fired a round off in the SOC or his best buddy who as a SWAT member shot a hole in the bearcat. These are ur new leaders folks. Do u think they received discipline over it. Dont hold ur breath

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You know thr going to promote her to colonel. Just think when she does make it she ll be in the accidental discharge club like our new sheriff who fired a round off in the SOC or his best buddy who as a SWAT member shot a hole in the bearcat. These are ur new leaders folks. Do u think they received discipline over it. Dont hold ur breath

When did these things happen?

It's politics as usual. Money and politics is was got him appointed. Look at who he's married to.... There's your answer. Nothing has changed. Nothing will change.

It'd be nice to have an outsider with high level military, or other tactical experience running for Sheriff. One who hasn't been pushed through the ranks due to who they are related to, or other means of favoritism. Otherwise it's going to be the same old S.O. long after we all retire. Unless defeated in an election he's not going anywhere for a very long time.

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Regarding the above wishful thinking..."It'd be nice to have an outsider with high level military, or other tactical experience running for Sheriff.".... It would actually be nicer to have someone from inside who is an outsider who had boots on the ground, had lots of experience in the agency (not necessarily rank) and recognizes where the problems are looking from the bottom up as opposed to the staff view. And please, not a former Fed or a ex military with a boot camp mind set that want to implement all the things that don't usually apply or work in a local law enforcement environment.

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Regarding the above wishful thinking..."It'd be nice to have an outsider with high level military, or other tactical experience running for Sheriff.".... It would actually be nicer to have someone from inside who is an outsider who had boots on the ground, had lots of experience in the agency (not necessarily rank) and recognizes where the problems are looking from the bottom up as opposed to the staff view. And please, not a former Fed or a ex military with a boot camp mind set that want to implement all the things that don't usually apply or work in a local law enforcement environment.

The only problem with that is our brass will not allow that to happen. What street level deputy will have the money to run a campaign, and not care about what our brass will do to them? When that deputy announces their candidacy, they will immediately be put on the shhitt list, have an I.A. investigation opened up against them, will most likely lose their job, and possibly end up in jail. Only an outsider will be immune to this, but they will need financial backing and an outstanding P.R. team.

The P.R. team would have to spin and help justify several things, the biggest of which... never being promoted. That hurdle alone would be almost impossible to overcome, regardless of financial backing. It would take some P.R. abracadabra to get the general public to vote for a street deputy over a Colonel appointed as interim Sheriff.


Of course last time an outsider tried running, they suddenly were subject to criminal charges.

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(Ref above) The P.R. team of a street deputy running, that is, not an outsider running.

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My recommendation to anyone on thirty year FRS with 5 or less years on at HCSO is to consider applying to TPD, you can work right up to the point that you crossover with no loss of pay. When you get to TPD buy back your 5 years and you will be pension eligible in 15 years with a 3.15% multipler vs FRS 3% and you wouldn’t lose anytime for the time spent at HCSO. Shift Differential is $.88 an hour for mid shift and $1.21 for midnights, next year at the end of this contract MPO (10 years on) maxes out at $43.05 an hour vs $35.84 for Master Deputy. Step 5 at TPD will be $31.75 vs HCSO step 5 $24.49. On average every step after step 5 a TPD officer makes $7.20 more an hour than a Deputy (nearly $15,000 more a year especially with shift differential). Yes TPD pays into pension which has just been reduced to 10% but we don’t pay into Social security (6.2%). So HCSO deputies pay 6.2 SS and 3 into FRS for a total of 9.2% in retirement accounts, only .08% less than we are paying now but we make nearly 20% more an hour.

Plus we have a Union, it is great to have a grievance process and arbitration in case you get in trouble. Our officer to citizen ratio is 2.7 officers per thousand citizens, HCSOs is 1.4 deputies per thousand citizens, so effectively we have almost double the man power on the streets. At TPD the max off duty hours is 30
A week or 120 a month vs 72 at HCSO, we have so much off duty that goes unfilled even after many officers working 100 plus hours a month, you can pretty much work as much off duty as you can safely handle. HCSO does have nicer gear and better technology, nicer facilities, but were it counts for the individual officer / Deputy if you do the research you’ll see you are better off at TPD. Good luck to everyone in their careers, no matter where you are at, there are even worse places you could be besides HCSO or TPD. See you at the finish line.