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    Lawyers and top brass will be exempt, trust me on this one. Lawyers use their phones to assist clients so denial of cell phones results in denial of representation and unreasonable burden in due process. The lawyers vs the spineless jail command staff, the lawyers will win this one when they complain to Car1. As for the top brass, they will be able to carry cell phones everywhere as usual.

    Instead of harshly punishing the violators and participants in those stupid photos and videos the jail brass will punish everyone, including staff who does not use its phones in an abusive and unprofessional manner. Brilliant move you imbeciles in the command staff, especially the worthless colonel. Which management courses taught you this one? Some mail order university degrees not sanctioned by any college accreditation? Two sets of morons - the ones who participated in those idiotic movies and photos and the command staff who made the decision to ban phones. This will really kill whatever shred of morale was left, if any. You are going to chase anyone who can leave out, senior people who can retire and the newbies who are or are getting dual certified. Talk about people getting a really bad attitude and not giving a flying FU*K about anything. Great way to turn good employees into crappy ones. Who in their right minds wants to work for 30 years under these bad conditions in a SH*TTY jail environment anyway? Only the desperate for a paycheck. Sick time abuse and overtime cost will skyrocket. The jail is really going lower than whale SH*T. Great idea, you useless, overpaid office TU*DS.
    You're right on the money. The Colonel is not a leader and never has been. He is a self serving jackoff who has done little or nothing since taking command of the jail. All of these problems have increased under his watch and it's amazing that the sheriff can't see that he has no leadership or people skills. It's time for a change in command at the jail. Wake up Bob and recognize that you need a real leader at the jail.

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    CaptJN should have ran straight to Weight Watchers instead of IA! Running her big mouth without any evidence. Just because there is gossip, it doesn't mean there is truth to it all. Pull the files and read the smut for yourselves. You may even learn a thing or two. Seriously, how is IA allowed to take their phones anyway? Criminals have more rights than members of this agency do.
    Looks like a nerve got struck, which involved party are you?

    FYI: if you are using a phone issued by the SO or are receiving a stipend for using your personal phone for SO operations they can pull it at any time. If you're not getting compensation then they would have to get a court order during the investigation unless you hand it over willingly.

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    Looks like a nerve got struck, which involved party are you?

    FYI: if you are using a phone issued by the SO or are receiving a stipend for using your personal phone for SO operations they can pull it at any time. If you're not getting compensation then they would have to get a court order during the investigation unless you hand it over willingly.
    Exactly. Members who hand over their personal phones to anyone in the agency when asked are the dumbest SOBs in the agency. Get a court order and give it to my attorney if you want my phone.

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    Exactly. Members who hand over their personal phones to anyone in the agency when asked are the dumbest SOBs in the agency. Get a court order and give it to my attorney if you want my phone.


    You are absolutely right. They don't have a right to your personal cell phone unless they have a Subpeana. If they threaten you or fire you, you will get your job back by civil review board. It's iillegal and they need a Subpeana in order to get it. If it ain't criminal, good luck on that Subpeana. Just tell them that you will sue them and see ya in court.

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    You are absolutely right. They don't have a right to your personal cell phone unless they have a Subpeana. If they threaten you or fire you, you will get your job back by civil review board. It's iillegal and they need a Subpeana in order to get it. If it ain't criminal, good luck on that Subpeana. Just tell them that you will sue them and see ya in court.
    Good luck with that. When you decided to work here, you also agreed to fully cooperate with all investigations. If they ask for your phone as part of the internal investigation, you are obligated to comply or resign. They can't use it against you criminally, but will use it against you as part of the internal investigation. Good luck trying to win back your job.

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    You are absolutely right. They don't have a right to your personal cell phone unless they have a Subpeana. If they threaten you or fire you, you will get your job back by civil review board. It's iillegal and they need a Subpeana in order to get it. If it ain't criminal, good luck on that Subpeana. Just tell them that you will sue them and see ya in court.
    First, please don't quote the law until you know what you are talking about. Second, learn to spell subpoena. Third, It takes a search warrant, not a subpoena for a criminal case. Agency Policy advises any phone. If a member doesn't agree with policy, fight it and see where it goes. All this keyboard tough guy stuff is just that.

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    QUOTE=Unregistered;2744019]Looks like a nerve got struck, which involved party are you?

    FYI: if you are using a phone issued by the SO or are receiving a stipend for using your personal phone for SO operations they can pull it at any time. If you're not getting compensation then they would have to get a court order during the investigation unless you hand it over willingly.[/QUOTE]

    I am an unaffiliated party...you will be charged with insubordination if you do not give them your PERSONAL cell phone.

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    QUOTE=Unregistered;2744019]Looks like a nerve got struck, which involved party are you?

    FYI: if you are using a phone issued by the SO or are receiving a stipend for using your personal phone for SO operations they can pull it at any time. If you're not getting compensation then they would have to get a court order during the investigation unless you hand it over willingly.
    I am an unaffiliated party...you will be charged with insubordination if you do not give them your PERSONAL cell phone.[/QUOTE]

    Beats the heck out of being fired and dragging a dozen others down with you with the evidence found on your phone. It's none of their business anyway because it is your own private phone. Even if they fire you for insubordination you will get your job back and more in the civil service appeal. Then you can sue them for wrongful dismissal, defamation of character and legal fees.

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    I am an unaffiliated party...you will be charged with insubordination if you do not give them your PERSONAL cell phone.
    Beats the heck out of being fired and dragging a dozen others down with you with the evidence found on your phone. It's none of their business anyway because it is your own private phone. Even if they fire you for insubordination you will get your job back and more in the civil service appeal. Then you can sue them for wrongful dismissal, defamation of character and legal fees.[/QUOTE]

    When you get off probation and get a little experience, you will begin to see how things really work around here. Failure to cooperate with an internal investigation will land you outside the SAB calling someone for a ride home. You won't win a civil service appeal and surely won't win any defamation or wrongful dismissal cases. That all sounds great, but isn't real. When you sign the GO's and SOP's, you agree to fully cooperate with internal investigations and that means handing over the phone if they ask for it.

    It's pretty obvious what the problems are at the PCSO. People need to get their priorities straight. When you signed on to become a deputy, you agreed to come to work for 8, 10, or 12 hours and perform law enforcement duties in return for a paycheck and benefits. It's not high school. You aren't being paid to pick up women or men, play on phones and electronic devices, or f**k off. Grow up and put the effort into the job or find another line of work.

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    When you get off probation and get a little experience, you will begin to see how things really work around here. Failure to cooperate with an internal investigation will land you outside the SAB calling someone for a ride home. You won't win a civil service appeal and surely won't win any defamation or wrongful dismissal cases. That all sounds great, but isn't real. When you sign the GO's and SOP's, you agree to fully cooperate with internal investigations and that means handing over the phone if they ask for it.

    It's pretty obvious what the problems are at the PCSO. People need to get their priorities straight. When you signed on to become a deputy, you agreed to come to work for 8, 10, or 12 hours and perform law enforcement duties in return for a paycheck and benefits. It's not high school. You aren't being paid to pick up women or men, play on phones and electronic devices, or f**k off. Grow up and put the effort into the job or find another line of work.
    Well said! This isn't Burger King. Have some morals, do your job, follow the rules and it won't matter what's on the phone. The biggest "FU" to an investigation would be handing them over everything and showing that you haven't done anything wrong. Not because you hid it but because you didn't do anything wrong so there's nothing to hide.

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