Time for a change

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We at the bottom of the PD have seen the elephant and heard the owl.

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abcd mr ngh

[Stephanie Gibson]

It is important for you the taxpayers and voters in North Port to know this incident took place on January 5th, 2016. That was some four almost five months ago. Attny Morgensen, who is no friend of NPPD almost immediately made a complaint. It was investigated in house, and Long placed on PAID administrative leave. Only recently referred to FDLE, because as in the past Vespia doesn't have the balls to do his own dirty work, so he has outside agencies do it for him under the cloak of the "other set of eyes" theory. Some of us have know what has been transpiring from the onset, yet only because of the H/T, has this been reported to the people. Another black eye for this department. A member of the Chief's fair haired boys K9 unit and a recently promoted detective involved in this one. Well at least this was not just a nip as his majesty has reported in the past, no just punch'e kicks, unlawful arrest and imprisonment.
Now it is important to remember this incident occurred AFTER the chief reorganized the department, to bring better accountability and more professionalism. Let's see, a sixty thousand dollar plus report, a slightly damaged new asst chief, six new commanders and new sergeants and hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer monies. Not to mention the lawsuits. The only actual working change was the public info officer, he at least tries to spin the negative into positive, even though most times that's just not possible. No Honor, No Integrity, No Trust. Again this falls squarely on Vespia's shoulders. He made the changes he wanted, he assured the public the antics were done, and here we are AGAIN. A leader is responsible for the actions of his personnel. They tried to cover this up, but were outed. What about the on duty sergeant, commander,captain, asst chief, vicarious liability, shit flows uphill. Maybe NGH is right, the commissioners don't care, certainly the city manager doesn't care, and it appears the taxpayers don't care
Accountability starts from the top, when is enough, just enough??????????

I am confused.. the original incident was Nov 2013. The Jan 2016 date you refer to is the date that the IA was filed? We the taxpayers fund 14 MILLION a year for ou PD. Chief fails at telling the truth so we hire a FTE to speak for him so we can limit the damage his mouth causes in the public. Now we have a FT INspector who does the IAs.. why did we bypass THAT process to dend to another agency to doi the work for us? If we are considering criminal action.. why is the SAO looking into him? Why is only one of the two officers under the microscope.. Mr "Hit him again! Hit him again!" is right there.. didnt report the misdeed in Nov 2013 so as far as I am concerned he to is responsible.. had Lyon taken action then.. Joe likely would not have been thumped, 3 of Longs first 5 would not have ended in abite...

Likewise, had the good LIEutenant not covered the *******s backsides that thumped Joe a month later.. well again, more damage would have been prevented. Vespia chose to insinuate that i either was lying or stupid.. thus 'misunderstanding' what GA told me.. uhmm yeah ok.. my word against his.. i lose. Right up and until, the fact comes out that GA was on a PIP for Lying.. so tell me again HOW i misunderstood Chief? Yeah.. save the glittery BS for the City Manager.. he doesnt care that you lie to himand to the public.

Until we fix the problem, it will continue to happen again and again period. It aint rocket science, the Chief doesnt need a Masters degree.. even his GED should provide enough reasoning ability to determine that unless something changes, we are gonna get more of the same.

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In regards to post 549 the date of the actual arrest was oct 24, 2013, but your other comments seem to be right on target. The video of this arrest can be viewed on H/T website. Not withstanding the circumstances of this arrest and its eventual outcome we as taxpayers in North Port need to be aware of the following.
This arrest, as unlawful as it was, had to have it's paperwork approved by a ranking officer, Sergeant or above. Then also approved by the shift Lieutenant. Neither of which asked any questions or inquired as to the circumstances. During the course of this arrestee being put thru the system, the state attorney reviewed the paperwork and video and determined no charges would be filed. Somewhere in this initial process, an internal affairs investigation should have been initiated, if for no other reason than CYA, it never was. Now some two and a half years later, a internal investigation was started on the complaint of Attny Mogensen. The PD had the video, they had all the forged paperwork which did not match what we see in the video and yet no investigation why? Simply put, the statute of limitations. Did both officers commit battery, appears so, two yr limit from time of assault, did they commit official Misconduct felony, statute expired,did they commit forgery expired. So under the law, they cannot be charged, except for the misconduct in public office exception which gives leeway up to two yrs after leaving service to charge them. ( hardly ever used) They cannot even be held accountable administratively. Fla police bill of rights allows only 180 days from the time the infractions become known to bring them up on charges. The PD officially knew on Oct 24,2013 Time has expired. Do we believe for one minute this intentional stalling by the police admin was nothing more than allowing the statute of limitations to expire and pass it along to FDLE so they break the news to the public, all under the guise of hey we tried. Long is one of Vespia's boys, was promoted to K9 shortly after this incident, Lyons also promoted to detective. Neither are going to be held accountable, the PD conducted there own investigation and were told by the state attorney time limits expired. So Vespia has his friends at FDLE to break the news to us. This is by far the most inept police administration one could imagine. So after his taxpayer paid vacation Long will return to work, Lyons is still working and the taxpayers will pay for another lawsuit and Vespia will have pulled another one off.

[Stephanie Gibson]

In regards to post 549 the date of the actual arrest was oct 24, 2013, but your other comments seem to be right on target. The video of this arrest can be viewed on H/T website. Not withstanding the circumstances of this arrest and its eventual outcome we as taxpayers in North Port need to be aware of the following.
This arrest, as unlawful as it was, had to have it's paperwork approved by a ranking officer, Sergeant or above. Then also approved by the shift Lieutenant. Neither of which asked any questions or inquired as to the circumstances. During the course of this arrestee being put thru the system, the state attorney reviewed the paperwork and video and determined no charges would be filed. Somewhere in this initial process, an internal affairs investigation should have been initiated, if for no other reason than CYA, it never was. Now some two and a half years later, a internal investigation was started on the complaint of Attny Mogensen. The PD had the video, they had all the forged paperwork which did not match what we see in the video and yet no investigation why? Simply put, the statute of limitations. Did both officers commit battery, appears so, two yr limit from time of assault, did they commit official Misconduct felony, statute expired,did they commit forgery expired. So under the law, they cannot be charged, except for the misconduct in public office exception which gives leeway up to two yrs after leaving service to charge them. ( hardly ever used) They cannot even be held accountable administratively. Fla police bill of rights allows only 180 days from the time the infractions become known to bring them up on charges. The PD officially knew on Oct 24,2013 Time has expired. Do we believe for one minute this intentional stalling by the police admin was nothing more than allowing the statute of limitations to expire and pass it along to FDLE so they break the news to the public, all under the guise of hey we tried. Long is one of Vespia's boys, was promoted to K9 shortly after this incident, Lyons also promoted to detective. Neither are going to be held accountable, the PD conducted there own investigation and were told by the state attorney time limits expired. So Vespia has his friends at FDLE to break the news to us. This is by far the most inept police administration one could imagine. So after his taxpayer paid vacation Long will return to work, Lyons is still working and the taxpayers will pay for another lawsuit and Vespia will have pulled another one off.

Return to work..? Do you think they will allow him back in uniforn and on the streets? If they cant hold him criminally, surely they can jerk his gunand badge from him right? There is absolutely no recourse? So then, why the FDLE song and dance.. why waste their time..? Gawd i hope you are wrong.. the City of North Port would be well off with his absence, if he stays, maybe then could find an indoor away from the public kinda of job.. maybe mopping floors or scrubbing toilets?

Statute of limitations does not protect our fine failure of a Leader.. PLease, please City Hall .. get you head out of your asses and do what it is CLEARLY RIGHT. It is way past time. Vespia has got to go period!

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In regards to post 549 the date of the actual arrest was oct 24, 2013, but your other comments seem to be right on target. The video of this arrest can be viewed on H/T website. Not withstanding the circumstances of this arrest and its eventual outcome we as taxpayers in North Port need to be aware of the following.
This arrest, as unlawful as it was, had to have it's paperwork approved by a ranking officer, Sergeant or above. Then also approved by the shift Lieutenant. Neither of which asked any questions or inquired as to the circumstances. During the course of this arrestee being put thru the system, the state attorney reviewed the paperwork and video and determined no charges would be filed. Somewhere in this initial process, an internal affairs investigation should have been initiated, if for no other reason than CYA, it never was. Now some two and a half years later, a internal investigation was started on the complaint of Attny Mogensen. The PD had the video, they had all the forged paperwork which did not match what we see in the video and yet no investigation why? Simply put, the statute of limitations. Did both officers commit battery, appears so, two yr limit from time of assault, did they commit official Misconduct felony, statute expired,did they commit forgery expired. So under the law, they cannot be charged, except for the misconduct in public office exception which gives leeway up to two yrs after leaving service to charge them. ( hardly ever used) They cannot even be held accountable administratively. Fla police bill of rights allows only 180 days from the time the infractions become known to bring them up on charges. The PD officially knew on Oct 24,2013 Time has expired. Do we believe for one minute this intentional stalling by the police admin was nothing more than allowing the statute of limitations to expire and pass it along to FDLE so they break the news to the public, all under the guise of hey we tried. Long is one of Vespia's boys, was promoted to K9 shortly after this incident, Lyons also promoted to detective. Neither are going to be held accountable, the PD conducted there own investigation and were told by the state attorney time limits expired. So Vespia has his friends at FDLE to break the news to us. This is by far the most inept police administration one could imagine. So after his taxpayer paid vacation Long will return to work, Lyons is still working and the taxpayers will pay for another lawsuit and Vespia will have pulled another one off.

You are by far and away the world's WORST cop. You lie about KV, his promotions dates and who promoted him. You lie about access to City Hall. You fabricate the worst information imaginable and you don't even know how to read a goddam statute. You suck. There really is no possible way you could have lied any further in your most recent post:

Statute of Limitations for False Arrest:

(3) WITHIN FOUR YEARS.—

(a) An action founded on negligence.

(b) An action relating to the determination of paternity, with the time running from the date the child reaches the age of majority.

(c) An action founded on the design, planning, or construction of an improvement to real property, with the time running from the date of actual possession by the owner, the date of the issuance of a certificate of occupancy, the date of abandonment of construction if not completed, or the date of completion or termination of the contract between the professional engineer, registered architect, or licensed contractor and his or her employer, whichever date is latest; except that, when the action involves a latent defect, the time runs from the time the defect is discovered or should have been discovered with the exercise of due diligence. In any event, the action must be commenced within 10 years after the date of actual possession by the owner, the date of the issuance of a certificate of occupancy, the date of abandonment of construction if not completed, or the date of completion or termination of the contract between the professional engineer, registered architect, or licensed contractor and his or her employer, whichever date is latest.

(d) An action to recover public money or property held by a public officer or employee, or former public officer or employee, and obtained during, or as a result of, his or her public office or employment.

(e) An action for injury to a person founded on the design, manufacture, distribution, or sale of personal property that is not permanently incorporated in an improvement to real property, including fixtures.

(f) An action founded on a statutory liability.

(g) An action for trespass on real property.

(h) An action for taking, detaining, or injuring personal property.

(i) An action to recover specific personal property.

(j) A legal or equitable action founded on fraud.

(k) A legal or equitable action on a contract, obligation, or liability not founded on a written instrument, including an action for the sale and delivery of goods, wares, and merchandise, and on store accounts.

(l) An action to rescind a contract.

(m) An action for money paid to any governmental authority by mistake or inadvertence.

(n) An action for a statutory penalty or forfeiture.

(o) An action for assault, battery, FALSE ARREST, malicious prosecution, malicious interference, false imprisonment, or any other intentional tort, except as provided in subsections (4), (5), and (7).


So for those of you scoring along at home it reads: FSS 95.11 (3) (o)

STOP F*CKING POSTING INCORRECT INFORMATION AKA: LYING! FOUR YEARS MEANS F*CKING FOUR YEARS YOU PIECE OF SH*T!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HVn...ature=youtu.be

Has anyone done a PRR for the email that was sent to the commission by Clerk Raimbeau?

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You are by far and away the world's WORST cop. You lie about KV, his promotions dates and who promoted him. You lie about access to City Hall. You fabricate the worst information imaginable and you don't even know how to read a goddam statute. You suck. There really is no possible way you could have lied any further in your most recent post:

Statute of Limitations for False Arrest:

(3) WITHIN FOUR YEARS.—

(a) An action founded on negligence.

(b) An action relating to the determination of paternity, with the time running from the date the child reaches the age of majority.

(c) An action founded on the design, planning, or construction of an improvement to real property, with the time running from the date of actual possession by the owner, the date of the issuance of a certificate of occupancy, the date of abandonment of construction if not completed, or the date of completion or termination of the contract between the professional engineer, registered architect, or licensed contractor and his or her employer, whichever date is latest; except that, when the action involves a latent defect, the time runs from the time the defect is discovered or should have been discovered with the exercise of due diligence. In any event, the action must be commenced within 10 years after the date of actual possession by the owner, the date of the issuance of a certificate of occupancy, the date of abandonment of construction if not completed, or the date of completion or termination of the contract between the professional engineer, registered architect, or licensed contractor and his or her employer, whichever date is latest.

(d) An action to recover public money or property held by a public officer or employee, or former public officer or employee, and obtained during, or as a result of, his or her public office or employment.

(e) An action for injury to a person founded on the design, manufacture, distribution, or sale of personal property that is not permanently incorporated in an improvement to real property, including fixtures.

(f) An action founded on a statutory liability.

(g) An action for trespass on real property.

(h) An action for taking, detaining, or injuring personal property.

(i) An action to recover specific personal property.

(j) A legal or equitable action founded on fraud.

(k) A legal or equitable action on a contract, obligation, or liability not founded on a written instrument, including an action for the sale and delivery of goods, wares, and merchandise, and on store accounts.

(l) An action to rescind a contract.

(m) An action for money paid to any governmental authority by mistake or inadvertence.

(n) An action for a statutory penalty or forfeiture.

(o) An action for assault, battery, FALSE ARREST, malicious prosecution, malicious interference, false imprisonment, or any other intentional tort, except as provided in subsections (4), (5), and (7).


So for those of you scoring along at home it reads: FSS 95.11 (3) (o)

STOP F*CKING POSTING INCORRECT INFORMATION AKA: LYING! FOUR YEARS MEANS F*CKING FOUR YEARS YOU PIECE OF SH*T!

Wow what does that have to do with the price of tea in china. It appears to me that kv and his bullies( maybe you) are looking at a sinking ship. I think a very nice pic was put up for the occasion. No name calling , screaming , swearing bullying. ( oops a little video showed that) Ship is a sinking na na na goodbye . Oh why oh why are the body cams just not on the table oh why oh why.

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Wow what does that have to do with the price of tea in china. It appears to me that kv and his bullies( maybe you) are looking at a sinking ship. I think a very nice pic was put up for the occasion. No name calling , screaming , swearing bullying. ( oops a little video showed that) Ship is a sinking na na na goodbye . Oh why oh why are the body cams just not on the table oh why oh why.

There you go! Minimizing your lying, inaccuracies and gross incompetence playing the, ho hum, "bullying" card again. Exactly which section was the "bullying" part again? The factual reference to the FSS? The factual part about you being a liar? Or, the profane laden factual part about you being a liar?

You are worse than any corrupt or unethical officer we have; at least they show their true colors through their negligence. You on the other hand, a keyboard warrior pretending to be a cop. If you cannot even take your time to post correct information about the statute of limitations on leoaffiars, I can only imagine you working a call. Probably something like this, you on the scene of a homicide speaking to the victim's survivors: "Well, you see ma'am, this is just a civil matter..." You are no better than the lying admin themselves.

You know, the price of tea in China and all...