Obamanation

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No rams, batons, helmets, or riot shields. Here's an idea, Obama, legalize All drugs! The police would be much safer and we wouldn't bother them and they wouldn't shoot at us. Stop raiding drug manufacturing houses and sale houses with that battering ram. Helmets? Who needs helmets when savages pelt us with rocks? And we can run away when we have no shield to deflect rocks, bottles, and molotov ****tails. Just give us a grant for black Nike sneakers.

I guess someone had a heads up when the administration took back all of our riot gear.

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No rams, batons, helmets, or riot shields. Here's an idea, Obama, legalize All drugs! The police would be much safer and we wouldn't bother them and they wouldn't shoot at us. Stop raiding drug manufacturing houses and sale houses with that battering ram. Helmets? Who needs helmets when savages pelt us with rocks? And we can run away when we have no shield to deflect rocks, bottles, and molotov ****tails. Just give us a grant for black Nike sneakers.

I guess someone had a heads up when the administration took back all of our riot gear.

What riots have you been in, or are you speaking and living vicariously, by what you see on TV ?

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What riots have you been in, or are you speaking and living vicariously, by what you see on TV ?

I am not the original poster. I have been in many riots. Some small some big. Some we planned for and others just happened one Sunday afternoon. Having access to protective equipment was not always beneficial but was necessary in others for the good guys to regain control. Your experience may be limited to LCSO where there hasn't been much of this type of disorder. I get that you think it might not be be necessary. I am not saying you're a bad cop or stupid or anything like that. I get the feeling from your post that you feel there is no need for this equipment. I just really disagree if that is what you are saying. I think we should have it in our trunks every day.

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I am not the original poster. I have been in many riots. Some small some big. Some we planned for and others just happened one Sunday afternoon. Having access to protective equipment was not always beneficial but was necessary in others for the good guys to regain control. Your experience may be limited to LCSO where there hasn't been much of this type of disorder. I get that you think it might not be be necessary. I am not saying you're a bad cop or stupid or anything like that. I get the feeling from your post that you feel there is no need for this equipment. I just really disagree if that is what you are saying. I think we should have it in our trunks every day.

Couldn't agree with you, as I have been involved in numerous riots, that have been televised on nationwide TV, not some local bs fight with 5 people.... just amazing how many p.o., in this area, that walk around with the weight of the world, on their shoulders, and have never been involved in Riots, but ask them, and they talk like they had tons of experience, when in fact they have NONE.

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and IUPA did everything that they could, in order to help elect him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your union dues go straight into Obama's campaign coffers. $220 Million dollars worth of your hard earned pay.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

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and IUPA did everything that they could, in order to help elect him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your union dues go straight into Obama's campaign coffers. $220 Million dollars worth of your hard earned pay.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

Simple = Democrats favor Workers
Republicans favor Companies
Donate to Sheriff's re-election .... Sure Promotion

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and IUPA did everything that they could, in order to help elect him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your union dues go straight into Obama's campaign coffers. $220 Million dollars worth of your hard earned pay.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

I very much against Obama and very much for unions for cops. But I think you have it wrong. I have couple of things to say because I am tired of the stupidity that I am seeing in the LCSO. Like your statement above... which is really pretty stupid.

So you think that the dollars spent in the last presidential campaign somehow won it? Mitt Romney outspent Obama in the last election. Not by much. 20 million or so. Still, he outspent Obama. They both spent over 1 billion. Are you pleased with every large contributor to the Romney campaign? It was the will of the people that put Obama in office not dollars spent. That will was fueled likely by the large entitlement programs started with Carter and fully cultivated by Clinton (who was very pro police and did do a lot for us...if you were a cop back then you'll remember) and then cemented in place by the idiot in the white house today.

Can you show me where IUPA donated one penny to any political campaign anywhere, national or local? If you can would please post a link or copy and paste the accurate information?

The information you posted isn't collated to represent the election cycle, plus the information does not represent the donations to the presidential campaign but the total contributions made to particular political groups for as long as records were kept, and you rely upon the creators of the website to assign that designation of whether someone is liberal or conservative. Sheldon Adelson was the top contributor to Romney. Yeah. there's a real upstanding guy....built his fortune in...casinos...yeah it was just good hard work at the casino. I really have to wonder if you are even capable of independent thought.

Your numbers are also way off. All you had to do was copy and paste the number from the website. Did you post the wrong numbers intentionally?

IUPA has no PAC. What that means is no dollars collected from dues can go to PACs. At least that is how I remember it from when they were coming in here. Not a huge fan of IUPA but they are getting the job done, finally. I also believe that they only operate under the charter of the AFLCIO as a separate entity. Can someone with IUPA help put this crap to rest?

So is it all Police Unions or just IUPA that you are against? PBA gave 50 K to this sheriff to get him elected and this Sheriff was very pro union, publicly so, when he accepted that check. Are you going to continue to support (i am assuming you do support the idiot) this flip flopping sheriff of ours who loves the union one day and hates them the next? How about the FOP? Are they bad too? Why? Because they supported Rick Scott? Rick Scott who took away some of your pension benefits and will absolutely destroy the current FRS if re-elected in 2016.

Your facts are wrong, your have shown no logic, and you have shown a complete failure to even have a little bit of understanding of politics in our country. Think for yourself every once in a while. Elevation must be getting to you.

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I made one mistake, IUPA is AFL-CIO and not SEIU. AFL-CIO receives money from ALL of its subsidiaries, in the form of dues paid by members. Those dues then go toward political donations.

Whatever lies and misdirection that you intend cannot beat the facts. The fact is IUPA, through its parent AFL-CIO donated to electing Barack Obama.

Barack Obama spent $683 million on his campaign, of which an estimated $200 million came from labor unions. Mitt Romney spent $433 million. In case you didn't know, $683 million is larger than $433 million.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/

What does the Las Vegas Sands have to do with; 1) the fact that IUPA does, thru kicking up dues to AFL-CIO, donate our dues to political campaigns and 2) my independent thought?

The PAC is under AFL-CIO. The large entitlement programs were started under Johnson.

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I made one mistake, IUPA is AFL-CIO and not SEIU. AFL-CIO receives money from ALL of its subsidiaries, in the form of dues paid by members. Those dues then go toward political donations.

Whatever lies and misdirection that you intend cannot beat the facts. The fact is IUPA, through its parent AFL-CIO donated to electing Barack Obama.

Barack Obama spent $683 million on his campaign, of which an estimated $200 million came from labor unions. Mitt Romney spent $433 million. In case you didn't know, $683 million is larger than $433 million.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/

What does the Las Vegas Sands have to do with; 1) the fact that IUPA does, thru kicking up dues to AFL-CIO, donate our dues to political campaigns and 2) my independent thought?

The PAC is under AFL-CIO. The large entitlement programs were started under Johnson.

Exactly!!!!! Point being all you members in this agency belonging to the union have supported the democraps and this president thru your union dues. Dump the union NOW!

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I made one mistake, IUPA is AFL-CIO and not SEIU. AFL-CIO receives money from ALL of its subsidiaries, in the form of dues paid by members. Those dues then go toward political donations.

Whatever lies and misdirection that you intend cannot beat the facts. The fact is IUPA, through its parent AFL-CIO donated to electing Barack Obama.

Barack Obama spent $683 million on his campaign, of which an estimated $200 million came from labor unions. Mitt Romney spent $433 million. In case you didn't know, $683 million is larger than $433 million.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/

What does the Las Vegas Sands have to do with; 1) the fact that IUPA does, thru kicking up dues to AFL-CIO, donate our dues to political campaigns and 2) my independent thought?

The PAC is under AFL-CIO. The large entitlement programs were started under Johnson.

No you are wrong on many points. Again, the dues you pay to IUPA do not support political activities (to the best of my knowledge). You had the opportunity to add an additional 5 dollars to your dues to establish a PAC and have ONLY those dollars go to political actions that the local agrees to. That option was declined when IUPA was formed. Again, show me one penny of dues from IUPA that went support any political candidate. IUPA’s charter prevented this.

You made many mistakes. You cited the number of 220 million being donated by IUPA to the last presidential campaign. That number, 220 million was from SEIU, and is reflective of all donations by SEIU, not IUPA, to all campaigns since the data has been tracked, and does not represent donations to any single candidate for any single campaign.

You rely on the folks who operate the website that you referenced to spoon feed you. Do you know and trust these people? What method did they use to arrive at a conclusion as to the political alignment of the recipient of the donations that they are referencing? Absent an understanding of that, it is just talk and numbers with no substance and really cannot be relied upon.

Sheldon Adelson. Historical ties to organized crime at a global level, prostitution, narcotics trafficking, several current criminal investigations. And that is just the juicy stuff. The guy is morally and legally corrupt (would get along with Mike Scott very well). So by virtue of your position you suggest that campaign donators influence agendas. Just like donations influence promotions in the LCSO. That is why you should be concerned and have some depth and independent thoughts. It appears to me that you somehow believe that the Republicans, which I am, have a pure and legitimate political process while the Democrats are fueled by shady agendas. Grow the hell up. They are both driven by the same sketchy and corrupt mechanisms. Both parties suck. Both parties are screwing us. And though the will of the people put these ass wipes in office they have all forgotten that they represent the will of every American.

You are wrong on the dollars spent by the two campaigns, not that it is even relative to whether or not IUPA dues go to political campaigns. Dig a little deeper and look at the final numbers including the loans to the campaigns.

I never said that Carter was the first person in the history of America that started large entitlement programs. You, again, need to pay more attention to detail and stop relying on topical google searches for your information. What I said is that “That will was fueled likely by the large entitlement programs started with Carter and fully cultivated by Clinton (who was very pro police and did do a lot for us...if you were a cop back then you'll remember) and then cemented in place by the idiot in the white house today.” I am referencing the large programs initiated by Carter not all historical entitlement programs. And again, it the will of the people that put people in office, as misguided as it may be, not dollars spent, that win elections.

There were no lies in my original post and there are no lies in this response. In your response there continues to be errors and unsupported facts. You have relied on compiled information and applied it to a single event without collation making the data unreliable and your statement remains completely unsupported and absolutely unreliable.
I hate OBAMA and cannot wait until someone replaces him. But we need a union here at LCSO unless Mike Scott is ousted (please someone beat this clown). Things have calmed down a lot since the union came in. Still bullshit, just not as much. I'm all for the FOP. But they have supported Rick Scott.